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Post by n01stokie on Jun 4, 2008 22:33:30 GMT
I fear this thread will soon be deleted but i feel it's time i said my piece.
I personally would like to think of myself as a person who is not racist, But in todays current climate I'm beginning to question myself.
One area which really gets me wound up is the influx of immigrants, both unskilled and skilled!
First of all the unskilled workers. I ask the question... why are these people allowed into the country? for me, they bring nothing to the economy and if anything seem to create social tension which eventually leads to an increase in crime. There is the argument that if British people don't want to do the work then let these people work but I'm sorry but this again is ridiculous, British people should have no choice but to work, it should either be a case of find a job or starve! no bloody benefits!!! I know many disabled people can't work, but many people seem to milk the situation.
My second point is that of skilled workers entering the country, now up until recently i was all for this, but... (and here comes the controversial bit) many skilled immigrants seem to be Muslim, and i personally cannot trust them! i know this is wrong but i can't help it. It brings me to say "not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslims" when you look at previous terrorists, we have seen doctors and teachers blow (or attempt) to blow themselves up in the hope of causing death and terror. This fills me with rage! and i find myself asking the question can we ever trust these people? i personally think enough is enough and one way to get rid of this problem would be to "get rid". I know its not practical, it will never happen
What do people think?
I apologies if i have caused any offense
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Post by powchirper on Jun 4, 2008 22:42:44 GMT
Nothing offends me anymore, But get ready to be slaughtered by the pc brigade that read this board, oh and prepare to be moved to the other section.
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Post by trebor63 on Jun 4, 2008 22:43:04 GMT
You are correct and I believe the very great majority of people feel the same way but the Labour party gestapo will justtry and demonise you for saying it!
Amongct many things this shabby government has done is abolishing free speech. I guess we're easier to control if they order us to act think and talk in only one way.
Controlled and well managed immigration is brilliant for the country but sadly the retarded fookwits in power at the moment manage to fook up almost everything they touch
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Post by swampySCFC on Jun 4, 2008 22:44:07 GMT
Tis true to say that the immigration policy has been a right fuck up. However we are very much hamstrung by
1) Law (EEC) 2) Labour Government ballsing it up.
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Post by tazi on Jun 4, 2008 22:47:59 GMT
For what it's worth those are your opinions and you are quite right within yourself to express them as long as you do not resort to violence etc etc.
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Post by visunitafortior on Jun 4, 2008 22:49:12 GMT
I fear this thread will soon be deleted but i feel it's time i said my piece. I personally would like to think of myself as a person who is not racist, But in todays current climate I'm beginning to question myself. One area which really gets me wound up is the influx of immigrants, both unskilled and skilled! First of all the unskilled workers. I ask the question... why are these people allowed into the country? for me, they bring nothing to the economy and if anything seem to create social tension which eventually leads to an increase in crime. There is the argument that if British people don't want to do the work then let these people work but I'm sorry but this again is ridiculous, British people should have no choice but to work, it should either be a case of find a job or starve! no bloody benefits!!! I know many disabled people can't work, but many people seem to milk the situation. /quote] Well I sincerely agree with the first part, however the second part is nothing more than ignorance. I'm sure that you are not a racist but I for one couldn't care less if the doctor who is saving my life is a Christian, Sikh or a Muslim. People forget that Islam shares many principles with Christianity and there are alot of muslim values that would improve lives if people adhered to them. I would compare your second point with the following ; people from Northern Ireland are welcome to come to Britain, but not the Catholics as the IRA have blown up parts of England in the past.
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Post by nantwichstokie on Jun 4, 2008 23:23:37 GMT
Its the failiure of immigrants to integrate into OUR soceity that frustrates me. The points about freedom of speech with regards to Labour and the PC brigrade are bang on as well. It is turning into a joke. There may well be serious problems in the UK due to the mounting underlying racial tensions in the not to distant future if the current and future governments are not careful.
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Post by daverichards on Jun 5, 2008 8:59:23 GMT
except of course Irish (both catholic and protestant) terrorists , some of whom are still active and opposed to peace in NI , not done much recently but still have weapons Random members of the Far Right such as the "London Nail Bomber" , who exploded bombs in Brick Lane, Brixton and Soho less than 10 years ago en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_CopelandThe Violent parts of the Animal Liberation movment who regularly send letter bombs to people they dont like then their are the Welsh Freeedom fighters who used to burn down holiday cottages owned by the english and something similar in cornwall and thats just the UK and looking at your views, I'd say you have racist views you are far more likely to be violently killed by a UK citizen than an "immigrant"
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Post by salopstick on Jun 5, 2008 9:10:06 GMT
i think the bottom line on this and the other racist petition thread is that the immigration in this country is shocking.
immigrants bring a lot of talent, culture, work skills to this country however they also bring a lot of trouble.
this country needs to have stricter criteria to enter this country ala australia. we also need to amend existing laws that allow benefits to leave this country to people who have never set foot here.
its easy to blame immigrants for everything but i believe better policies would leade to better acceptance by the remainder of the populatin.
i understand the freedom of movements between ec individuals but we could start closing the doors to the rest of the world
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Post by daverichards on Jun 5, 2008 9:12:30 GMT
Can you quantify this statement please
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Post by robdog on Jun 5, 2008 9:34:06 GMT
Foreign criminals who shouldnt even be in our prisons get given £3000 upon release to go home.A British criminal gets given £46
yes I know a criminal is a criminal is a criminal and they shouldnt be given owt but £3k to go home
and i wonder how many of them do
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Post by salopstick on Jun 5, 2008 9:55:41 GMT
fao dave from another thread ive posted this on another thread but it is just one of the reason honest british tax payers are pissed of www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-483225/1m-child-benefit-paid-month--mothers-Poland.htmland as far as im concerned if ALL BRITISH people pulled together and labelled themselves BRITISH not BRITISH-WELSH/SCOTTISH/CHINESE/ASIAN etc this would help alleviate some of the tension flaring up in this country. it is the welsh, scottish and ethnic minorities who dont want to be british as they see this associating themselves with the english. utter bollocks
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Post by stokietomo on Jun 5, 2008 10:05:51 GMT
Proud to be White? Very interesting reading!
Perhaps we should get rid of the term 'racist' all together and just live our lives . . . Michael Richards better known as Kramer from tv's Seinfeld. This was his defence speech in court after making racial comments in his comedy act.
He makes some very interesting points. Proud To Be White. Someone finally said it. How many are actually paying attention to this?
There are African Americans, Mexican Americans, Asian Americans, Arab Americans, etc. And then there are just Americans.
You pass me on the street and sneer in my direction. You Call me 'White boy,' 'Cracker,' 'Honkey', 'White Trash', 'White Shit', 'Whitey,' 'Caveman' . . . and that's OK.
But when I call you, Nigger, Kike, Towel head, Sand-nigger, Camel Jockey, Beaner, Gook, or Chink . . . You call me a racist.
You say that whites commit a lot of violence against you, so why are the ghettos the most dangerous places to live? You have the United Negro College Fund. You have Martin Luther King Day. You have Black History Month. You have Cesar Chavez Day. You have Yom Hashoah.. You have Ma'uled Al-Nabi. You have the NAACP. You have BET. If we had WET (White Entertainment Television) we'd be racists. If we had a White Pride Day, you would call us racists. If we had White History Month , we'd be racists. If we had any organization for only whites to 'advance' OUR lives we'd be racists.
We have a Hispanic Chamber of Commerce, a Black Chamber of Commerce, and then we just have the plain Chamber of Commerce. Wonder who pays for that? A white woman could not be in the Miss Black American pageant, but any colour can be in the Miss America pageant.
If we had a college fund that only gave white students scholarships you know we'd be racists. There are over 60 openly proclaimed Black Colleges in the US. Yet if there were 'White colleges' THAT would be a racist college.
In the Million Man March, you believed that you were marching for your race and rights. If we marched for our race and rights, you would call us racists. You are proud to be black, brown, yellow and orange, and you're not afraid to announce it. But when we announce our white pride, you call us racists.
You rob us, carjack us, and shoot at us. But, when a white police officer shoots a black gang member or beats up a black drug-dealer running from the law and posing a threat to society, you call him a racist.
I am proud. But you call me a racist. Why is it that only whites can be racists?
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Post by jacksscfc on Jun 5, 2008 10:34:45 GMT
n01, like chirper said be prepared to get slated. I got slated 2 weeks ago on the thread about the BNP because I stated my thoughts. No you are not a racist on your statement about immigrants, BUT you do state " all terrorists are Muslim" to which I disagree. Good luck hope you don't get smited to much
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Post by Jug Bank Stokie on Jun 5, 2008 11:19:31 GMT
It amuses me when people go on about immigrants taking their jobs. They have come into the country with nothing and still managed to get a job whilst people who are actually from here can't be arsed and go on the dole.
If someone can come into our country with nothing and make something for themself, what does that say about people in the UK who have no job!
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Post by daverichards on Jun 5, 2008 11:52:47 GMT
salopstokie: That article doesn't really fit with your statement , however i concead it is rather odd, maybe the only addition needed is that child-benefit can only be paid to children living full time in the UK, after all her father does work here, as did her mother . However of the whole family where in the UK living here it would cost the UK taxpayer far more, as she would be entitled to an education and health care too .
my main problem with child benefit is its not "means tested" , i really think their should be a family income threash hold at which its no longer payable , some where between £60 and 80K a year "Family income" .
Frankly though getting a bee in the bonnet about this is neither here nor there , its a drop in the ocean of benefits payed to those who can't be arsed and leach off the state who are british born and bred , these are the real scum , the faking a bad back brigade , and such like who are on sick benefits when the could easily work , these are the real problem , yet many in the UK have a very different attitude towards them compared to this tiny amount of non-uk born who claim benefits etc.
The attitude and I find it very disturbing is almost "fair play to them if they can get away with it" when its a "local" person sponging off the state on a sicky , yet if its an immigrant they are seen as "theiving scum" ... the reality is they are both theiving scum unless they are geniunly sick .
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Post by salopstick on Jun 5, 2008 13:25:58 GMT
here is a better article dave foreigners are claiming nearly 33£ million in child benefit and child tax crdits for children not in this country. i stand by the fact that under eu rules foreigners working here can claim benefits for children that have never been here. www.thisismoney.co.uk/news/article.html?in_article_id=442344&in_page_id=2i posted a separate thread on child benefit the other week. yes it should be means tested. taken off the rich and increased for the poor
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Post by salopstick on Jun 5, 2008 13:29:22 GMT
£33m child benefit paid to children abroad Glen Owen, Mail on Sunday 1 June 2008, 9:38am Reader comments (16) | Chat | Guide
British child benefit paid to foreign children living abroad has rocketed by an astonishing 72% in just nine months, to £33m a year.
Using the system: even if foreign workers children live abroad, they can still claim UK child benefit.
Most of the money is going on 36,000 children still in Poland whose parents are cashing in on European rules that let them claim benefits in the UK after working and paying taxes here for a year. Ministers were plunged into a new immigration row last night by the figures, only shortly after proposed tax rises for low-income British families sparked intense controversy.
The huge bill for British taxpayers began with the EU's enlargement in 2004, leading to 800,000 workers from the new member countries moving to the UK.
But it has escalated dramatically as word has spread among Polish communities in Britain, coupled with Polish-language newspapers publishing guides on how to claim the benefit.
The new figures, released to Conservative Treasury spokesman Philip Hammond, reveal that in the nine months to March this year the number of workers from EU accession states claiming child benefit rose from 14,000 to 24,000. For Poland, the rise in six months was 43%.
Even larger amounts are paid out to East European workers in child tax credits, but the Government has refused to put a figure on that liability.
The UK benefit is so attractive because it is £977 a year for the first child and £652 for young siblings - as opposed to £160 for each child in Poland. But the reciprocal agreement under European law means Britons working in that country get only the £160 from the Warsaw government.
Mr Hammond said: 'At a time when child poverty is rising, child benefit money is being siphoned off to children who don't even live here. The Government has no way of checking if these claims are genuine. This is yet another example of how Gordon Brown has lost control of Government spending.'
Opposition MPs yesterday demanded the Government 'get a grip' on the runaway payouts. But lawyers say the only answer is to negotiate a new deal among the 27 European Union countries.
The arrangement is a hangover from the EU's historic principle of free movement of labour. The Home Office yesterday referred questions to Revenue & Customs, where a spokesman said: 'Under EU rules, EU nationals living and working in the UK can claim child benefit for any dependent children, even if they live in another member state.'
Sir Andrew Green, chairman of pressure group Migration Watch, said: 'It is ridiculous that we pay child benefit at British rates to be claimed in countries where the cost of living is one quarter of ours.
'Having failed to foresee this, the Government should now renegotiate the requirement so that this benefit is tied to the cost of living.'
[glow=red,2,300]The row comes as Daniel Kawczynski, a Conservative MP of Polish descent, plans to make a call in Parliament this week for a new bank holiday 'to celebrate the contribution of Polish citizens to Great Britain since 1940'.
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Post by trebor63 on Jun 5, 2008 17:01:46 GMT
The ONLY solution is to get out of Europe. All the crap about but we need to trade in Europe doesn't stand up. Only 18% of our exports go to Europe and its estimated that 90% of that 18% would remain in tact even if we pulled out.
We get told to take people we don't want or need and get told how we should and shouldn't deal with prisoners and we get told to accept |ILLEGAL immigrants once they've arrived etc.
Europe needs us more than we need Europe Super Maggie saw that and exploited it for us by getting ENORMOUS rebates. Tony the grinning goon Bliar then gave them all away (voluntarily) to try and buy himself a good job.
This country has gone to the dogs under this PATHETIC 'government' whilst being aided and abetted by all the wishy washy liberal plonkers who preech from their ivory towers, whilst having little or no concept of what the real world is like.
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Jun 5, 2008 17:22:10 GMT
"yes I know a criminal is a criminal is a criminal and they shouldnt be given owt but £3k to go home"
The BNP are actually advocating paying immigrants and their native countries to fuck off back/take them back respectively. This doesn't apply to criminals granted, but it's in their party policies on their website.
As for Michael Richards' little speech, I see very little relevence to the UK in it, the vast majority of his perceived injustices against white folk and positive discrimination can be attributed to the fact that not very long ago at all black men were there to pick cotton wearing chains, and are still second class citizens in America today as a result. Britain made a tidy sum out of creating that situation.
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Post by rhodesy on Jun 5, 2008 17:28:29 GMT
except of course Irish (both catholic and protestant) terrorists , some of whom are still active and opposed to peace in NI , not done much recently but still have weapons Random members of the Far Right such as the "London Nail Bomber" , who exploded bombs in Brick Lane, Brixton and Soho less than 10 years ago en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_CopelandThe Violent parts of the Animal Liberation movment who regularly send letter bombs to people they dont like then their are the Welsh Freeedom fighters who used to burn down holiday cottages owned by the english and something similar in cornwall and thats just the UK and looking at your views, I'd say you have racist views you are far more likely to be violently killed by a UK citizen than an "immigrant" Too right Dave.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2008 17:43:34 GMT
'you are far more likely to be violently killed by a UK citizen than an "immigrant" ' I reckon statistically you're far more likely to be violently killed by a UK citizen whose parents\grandparents were "immigrants" . That's if the news and Crimewatch are anything to go by.
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Post by serpico on Jun 5, 2008 17:58:02 GMT
except of course Irish (both catholic and protestant) terrorists , some of whom are still active and opposed to peace in NI , not done much recently but still have weapons Random members of the Far Right such as the "London Nail Bomber" , who exploded bombs in Brick Lane, Brixton and Soho less than 10 years ago en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_CopelandThe Violent parts of the Animal Liberation movment who regularly send letter bombs to people they dont like then their are the Welsh Freeedom fighters who used to burn down holiday cottages owned by the english and something similar in cornwall and thats just the UK and looking at your views, I'd say you have racist views you are far more likely to be violently killed by a UK citizen than an "immigrant" And the Tamil Tigers in Sri lanka, one of the most notorious terrorist groups on the face of the earth, they're not muslim. And i might add the muslim terrorists don't attack us because they're Muslim, thats not they're motivation.
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Post by pattayapotter on Jun 5, 2008 18:05:51 GMT
is it because were not muslim
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Post by salopstick on Jun 5, 2008 18:14:22 GMT
I'm proud to be white. I'd rather be white, than a nigger or a paki! FREEDOM OF SPEECH HAS DIED. To prove it, this will be deleted. that is not freedom of speech that is a racist insult and im offended
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Post by beagriestache on Jun 5, 2008 18:17:33 GMT
What a load of racist nonsense some people write! There are far more white people claiming benefits (justified or otherwise) than immigrants put together claim! There are far more crimes committed by white people than by immigrants or non-whites. Non-whites account for 1 person in 14 in the UK. For them to be a bigger drain on taxpayers' money would be a statistical miracle. If you are racist like davemong at least have the courage to say so. Like it or loathe it at least he came right out and said it. Don't try to dress it up in inaccurate self justifying rubbish! Check this link out to see ethnic variation in justice process. suffolk.testurl.co.uk/publicdocuments/committee_meetings/pdfs/meeting123/EO5-7%20Appendix%201.pdfNuts can't do links, but it basically shows that 80% or so of prisoners are white and therefore the biggest drain on our tax pounds.
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Post by serpico on Jun 5, 2008 18:19:29 GMT
is it because were not muslim Wrong, Bin laden and co have no desire to convert us to Islam, thats not their aim, and it's completely absurd, would never happen, this is a myth that has been perpetuated by the status quo in the US and UK (no, not the rock group) who haven't got the balls to admit that it's our interventionism in the middle east which has created the al qeada insurgency.
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Post by salopstick on Jun 5, 2008 18:32:01 GMT
I don't give a fuck if I offend you I'm free to say whatever I want aren't I? you are free to say what you want, however if caught a magistrate would have the freedom to do you for at the minimum public order offences
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Post by beagriestache on Jun 5, 2008 18:33:43 GMT
yep davemong you are free indeed but check out the link above and see if it affects your thinking in any way.
Consider how much money all those WHITE prisoners must cost YOU
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Post by pattayapotter on Jun 5, 2008 18:36:12 GMT
is it because were not muslim Wrong, Bin laden and co have no desire to convert us to Islam, thats not their aim, and it's completely absurd, would never happen, this is a myth that has been perpetuated by the status quo in the US and UK (no, not the rock group) who haven't got the balls to admit that it's our interventionism in the middle east which has created the al qeada insurgency. Really, well apart from the 1st Gulf War more than 10 years maybe 15 previous to the second, didn't most of the intervention happen after 911 As for 911 what will stick out in my mind more than anything else was the pictures of Muslims around the world re-joicing them deaths, very sad people i'm sure you'll agree this was wrong
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