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Post by WorkingclassHero on Aug 23, 2019 18:29:54 GMT
Good evening
I will be honest. I suspected it was going to be a long haul back after relegation and advocated retaining Lambert as he had already identified 7 or 8 of the wasters we had.
Following the removal of Lambert. He was not great but could organise and my view was he was ok. Since getting rid of him the mismanagement at the club has in my opinion been ridiculous.
The main aim following relegation was to get rid of the bomb squad, and rebuild. 18 months later and the bomb squad are still here and have in fact swelled in numbers. I can't be bothered to find the post a but I said at the time, sell Butland and Allen Ndiaye and Bauer and use that money to pay off the wasters and get rid. Then a rebuild with our parachute money which would prob take 2 or 3 season's.
Instead I don't know what the hell we did. Extending contacts for Jack, Allen And Bauer? Signing Afobe Clucas MacLean and Ince on prem type contracts. Seriously I'd fire the entire management team, total ineptitude, hate to think how much they've trouserd for being @@@@.
Now I see no way out, many years potentially in the wilderness. Absolutely gutted. Can't even bare to watch this anymore. I used to travel up from Maidstone evety other week, not anymore. Disallusioned
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Post by wuzza on Aug 23, 2019 18:49:07 GMT
The management team signed players the football manager/managers wanted. That’s what they are there to do really - back him. With regard extending contracts it’s was absolutely great to see 2 PL quality players like Allen and Butland commit to the club, either for their contributions on the park or ensuring we got a good fee if someone came in for them and they wanted to go.
I think this thing is being over complicated - our woes are mainly down to bad decisions by the team managers both in terms of recruitment and tactics etc.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 19:00:54 GMT
Following the removal of Lambert. He was not great but could organise and my view was he was ok. Since getting rid of him the mismanagement at the club has in my opinion been ridiculous. After relegation I wouldn't have been overly dismayed if we had stayed with PFL as a manager. I wouldn't have been throwing any celebration parties either. If I had known then that his successors would be Rowett and Jones - I might have thrown a party.
One thing that I am certain of, is that we wouldn't be bottom of the table, and putting in performances like we did at Preston. Could PFL have got us promoted? We will never know. He certainly sorted our defence out.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 19:01:39 GMT
Good evening I will be honest. I suspected it was going to be a long haul back after relegation and advocated retaining Lambert as he had already identified 7 or 8 of the wasters we had. Following the removal of Lambert. He was not great but could organise and my view was he was ok. Since getting rid of him the mismanagement at the club has in my opinion been ridiculous. The main aim following relegation was to get rid of the bomb squad, and rebuild. 18 months later and the bomb squad are still here and have in fact swelled in numbers. I can't be bothered to find the post a but I said at the time, sell Butland and Allen Ndiaye and Bauer and use that money to pay off the wasters and get rid. Then a rebuild with our parachute money which would prob take 2 or 3 season's. Instead I don't know what the hell we did. Extending contacts for Jack, Allen And Bauer? Signing Afobe Clucas MacLean and Ince on prem type contracts. Seriously I'd fire the entire management team, total ineptitude, hate to think how much they've trouserd for being @@@@. Now I see no way out, many years potentially in the wilderness. Absolutely gutted. Can't even bare to watch this anymore. I used to travel up from Maidstone evety other week, not anymore. Disallusioned So what are you suggesting? Bring back Lambert?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 19:03:42 GMT
Following the removal of Lambert. He was not great but could organise and my view was he was ok. Since getting rid of him the mismanagement at the club has in my opinion been ridiculous. After relegation I wouldn't have been overly dismayed if we had stayed with PFL as a manager. I wouldn't have been throwing any celebration parties either. If I had known then that his successors would be Rowett and Jones - I might have thrown a party.
One thing that I am certain of, is that we wouldn't be bottom of the table, and putting in performances like we did at Preston. Could PFL have got us promoted? We will never know. He certainly sorted our defence out.
And the first name he had on his list to sign was Dwight Gayle...
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Post by numberounominion on Aug 23, 2019 19:19:49 GMT
I genuinely felt sorry for Lambo
Berahino and Jesse were behaving like total w@nkers and Diouf completely forgot how to play football ( and certainly how to finish)
Amazingly, if Adam had put away his peno v Brighton and Butland hadn't thrown the ball into his own net v Leicester we would have stayed up.
He got a million times more effort and organisation out of the players than Hughes did v coventry.
He was a proper football man and the players respected him. I couldn't understand a word he was saying, but somehow got a bit of fight out of them
Berahino and Jesse behaving like total w@nkers and Diouf forgetting how to play football sunk him. With our rivals having the likes of Fernando llorente, Glen Murray Rodriguez and Rondon etc. He really got dealt a sh#t hand. He came up short, but he was unlucky.
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Post by cooper67 on Aug 23, 2019 19:25:19 GMT
Out of the last 4 he was the one that I think knew what he was going to do. But like people say nobody could understand what he was on about.
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Post by FrankButcher on Aug 23, 2019 19:27:43 GMT
I genuinely felt sorry for Lambo Berahino and Jesse were behaving like total w@nkers and Diouf completely forgot how to play football ( and certainly how to finish) Amazingly, if Adam had put away his peno v Brighton and Butland hadn't thrown the ball into his own net v Leicester we would have stayed up. He got a million times more effort and organisation out of the players than Hughes did v coventry. He was a proper football man and the players respected him. I couldn't understand a word he was saying, but somehow got a bit of fight out of them Berahino and Jesse behaving like total w@nkers and Diouf forgetting how to play football sunk him. With our rivals having the likes of Fernando llorente, Glen Murray Rodriguez and Rondon etc. He really got dealt a sh#t hand. He came up short, but he was unlucky. To back up your claim of the players respecting lambo, when he came to stoke with Ipswich last season as players were leaving the dugout to warm up during the game they were embracing and greeting lambert.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 19:30:23 GMT
I genuinely felt sorry for Lambo Berahino and Jesse were behaving like total w@nkers and Diouf completely forgot how to play football ( and certainly how to finish) Amazingly, if Adam had put away his peno v Brighton and Butland hadn't thrown the ball into his own net v Leicester we would have stayed up. He got a million times more effort and organisation out of the players than Hughes did v coventry. He was a proper football man and the players respected him. I couldn't understand a word he was saying, but somehow got a bit of fight out of them Berahino and Jesse behaving like total w@nkers and Diouf forgetting how to play football sunk him. With our rivals having the likes of Fernando llorente, Glen Murray Rodriguez and Rondon etc. He really got dealt a sh#t hand. He came up short, but he was unlucky. To back up your claim of the players respecting lambo, when he came to stoke with Ipswich last season as players were leaving the dugout to warm up during the game they were embracing and greeting lambert. Yep. Everyone loved him. They were gutted apparently when he left.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 23, 2019 19:30:43 GMT
The management team signed players the football manager/managers wanted. That’s what they are there to do really - back him. With regard extending contracts it’s was absolutely great to see 2 PL quality players like Allen and Butland commit to the club, either for their contributions on the park or ensuring we got a good fee if someone came in for them and they wanted to go. I think this thing is being over complicated - our woes are mainly down to bad decisions by the team managers both in terms of recruitment and tactics etc. Allen is far from PL quality and neither is Bauer (I know you don't mention him but it was madness he got a new contract), I don't think Butland went for an extension did he?
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Post by FrankButcher on Aug 23, 2019 19:32:34 GMT
To back up your claim of the players respecting lambo, when he came to stoke with Ipswich last season as players were leaving the dugout to warm up during the game they were embracing and greeting lambert. Yep. Everyone loved him. They were gutted apparently when he left. I wish he had stayed in all honesty hindsight is a wonderful thing.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 19:32:49 GMT
Amazingly, if Adam had put away his peno v Brighton and Butland hadn't thrown the ball into his own net v Leicester we would have stayed up. He got a million times more effort and organisation out of the players than Hughes did v coventry. He was a proper football man and the players respected him. I couldn't understand a word he was saying, but somehow got a bit of fight out of them Berahino and Jesse behaving like total w@nkers and Diouf forgetting how to play football sunk him. With our rivals having the likes of Fernando llorente, Glen Murray Rodriguez and Rondon etc. He really got dealt a sh#t hand. He came up short, but he was unlucky. I still haven't been told why, after missing the penalty, Adam failed to "tap in the rebound" because he had been clattered from behind, he wasn't allowed to retake the penalty.
I don't pretend to be allknowing about football .......
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 19:34:37 GMT
Yep. Everyone loved him. They were gutted apparently when he left. I wish he had stayed in all honesty hindsight is a wonderful thing. Yes. The benefit of hindsight. I would have been fine if he’d stayed but exactly at the time I wasn’t overly disappointed he left...but then I couldn’t have imagined someone wasting £50m to make us worse afterwards.
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Post by wuzza on Aug 23, 2019 19:34:40 GMT
The management team signed players the football manager/managers wanted. That’s what they are there to do really - back him. With regard extending contracts it’s was absolutely great to see 2 PL quality players like Allen and Butland commit to the club, either for their contributions on the park or ensuring we got a good fee if someone came in for them and they wanted to go. I think this thing is being over complicated - our woes are mainly down to bad decisions by the team managers both in terms of recruitment and tactics etc. Allen is far from PL quality and neither is Bauer (I know you don't mention him but it was madness he got a new contract), I don't think Butland went for an extension did he? I thought we did extend Jacks contract a year or so ago but I could be wrong - I’m pretty useless with these things. I do however think any number of Prem teams would have welcomed Allen with open arms this time last year.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 19:37:44 GMT
Folks keep saying who would manage us now considering the state that we are in. PFL might swallow his pride and take the job on. I do realise that this may not be the best of senarios, but hell, we are in a right mess at the mo.
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Post by adamsson on Aug 23, 2019 19:44:27 GMT
No Lambert was shit. Rowett was shit. And Jones is shit. We need a manager who isn't shit.
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Post by chinapotter on Aug 23, 2019 19:49:09 GMT
No Lambert was shit. Rowett was shit. And Jones is shit. We need a manager who isn't shit. But none of them was thought of as "shit" before they came to Stoke. What is/are the common variable(s) in their failures? Our club . I have no idea what the the real story is, inside the club, but how many more promising managers will come to us and tank, before someone high up in the club wonders "Hmmm...maybe it isn't the individual manager that's the problem...???"
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 20:07:45 GMT
No Lambert was shit. Rowett was shit. And Jones is shit. We need a manager who isn't shit. I agree.
Having a manager that isn't shit is a pertty good starting point to advance and get better.
Well done that man.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 20:10:12 GMT
No Lambert was shit. Rowett was shit. And Jones is shit. We need a manager who isn't shit. But none of them was thought of as "shit" before they came to Stoke. What is/are the common variable(s) in their failures? Our club . I have no idea what the the real story is, inside the club, but how many more promising managers will come to us and tank, before someone high up in the club wonders "Hmmm...maybe it isn't the individual manager that's the problem...???" None of them had the credentials to do the job they were hired to do at the time they were hired.
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Post by roylandstoke on Aug 23, 2019 20:40:57 GMT
I´m pretty sure Lambert´s win ratio will match or better Nathan´s despite the massive difference in their respective opposition.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 20:53:23 GMT
I´m pretty sure Lambert´s win ratio will match or better Nathan´s despite the massive difference in their respective opposition. No doubts at all.
When we compare PFL against Rowett and Jones, no consideration is given to the height of the pile of shit that they had to deal with when they became managers.
Without any doubt at all, the height was at its highest for PFL
Rowett had some shit to deal with
Jones actually had very little shit to deal with. The pile of shit was there - but a bit like a compost heap in any garden, it will just be left to rot down.
It is a very sad indictment indeed when a conclusion is reached and PFL wins the award for best manager.
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Post by chinapotter on Aug 23, 2019 21:09:03 GMT
But none of them was thought of as "shit" before they came to Stoke. What is/are the common variable(s) in their failures? Our club . I have no idea what the the real story is, inside the club, but how many more promising managers will come to us and tank, before someone high up in the club wonders "Hmmm...maybe it isn't the individual manager that's the problem...???" None of them had the credentials to do the job they were hired to do at the time they were hired. According to the club, they did. And the fan reception was mixed in each case. It’s easy to say after the fact that they didn’t have the credentials but we’ve appointed a range of profiles, going back to Hughes, and none have managed to be successful, pretty much from the off. Jones fit one preferred profile (“we need a dynamic, hungry, younger manager on the rise...”) and I don’t know what other credentials might be more successful right now, given the past three years. So I’d stick with Jones for the foreseeable, despite the recent crap. Either he comes good, or the owners realise something’s amiss elsewhere in the club.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 21:11:51 GMT
None of them had the credentials to do the job they were hired to do at the time they were hired. According to the club, they did. And the fan reception was mixed in each case. It’s easy to say after the fact that they didn’t have the credentials but we’ve appointed a range of profiles, going back to Hughes, and none have managed to be successful, pretty much from the off. Jones fit one preferred profile (“we need a dynamic, hungry, younger manager on the rise...”) and I don’t know what other credentials might be more successful right now, given the past three years. So I’d stick with Jones for the foreseeable, despite the recent crap. Either he comes good, or the owners realise something’s amiss elsewhere in the club. Yes but the club was wrong as they have so often been. With Rowett - yes it didn’t look to bad but handing over £50m to someone who’d never managed that budget was criminal. I don’t believe Jones was brought in to do a 3/4 year rebuild in January they wanted promotion otherwise they wouldn’t have spent £9m on Vokes in January.
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Post by danceswithclams on Aug 23, 2019 23:01:43 GMT
Good day to you, Sir.
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Post by kustokie on Aug 24, 2019 0:07:22 GMT
The management team signed players the football manager/managers wanted. That’s what they are there to do really - back him. With regard extending contracts it’s was absolutely great to see 2 PL quality players like Allen and Butland commit to the club, either for their contributions on the park or ensuring we got a good fee if someone came in for them and they wanted to go. I think this thing is being over complicated - our woes are mainly down to bad decisions by the team managers both in terms of recruitment and tactics etc. Allen is far from PL quality and neither is Bauer (I know you don't mention him but it was madness he got a new contract), I don't think Butland went for an extension did he? As I have said many times before, they extend the contracts rather than let them expire because it increases their resale value. However, it’s a big gamble because may artificially over inflate the player’s value and price themselves out of the market.
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Post by madnellie on Aug 24, 2019 3:34:24 GMT
Following the removal of Lambert. He was not great but could organise and my view was he was ok. Since getting rid of him the mismanagement at the club has in my opinion been ridiculous. After relegation I wouldn't have been overly dismayed if we had stayed with PFL as a manager. I wouldn't have been throwing any celebration parties either. If I had known then that his successors would be Rowett and Jones - I might have thrown a party.
One thing that I am certain of, is that we wouldn't be bottom of the table, and putting in performances like we did at Preston. Could PFL have got us promoted? We will never know. He certainly sorted our defence out.
He's the only one of the three who has actually managed to get a team promoted to the Prem too. So far, at least.
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Aug 24, 2019 7:54:54 GMT
With what we now know. We asked for attractive football. There not progression. There are positive changes under Jones. Relegation season we lost 19 matches. Last season we drew 22 games . This season yes 1 point from a possible 12. Signs of the attacking style we shouted for. Little point in going over the now known factors. We've lost talent in favour of putting a squad together with the right ability, physicality and mentality for the championship. Fitting in with FFP rules. I travel to matches. It costs money. Turn up or not. Was pass the ball to shaqiri a good long term style of play? I just feel he had the 6 months lead time of knowing who the bad eggs were and getting rid. The other two even after 6 months still persist with Allen and Butland. Both needed to be sold, the attitude is all wrong in the championship, they think they are better than they are and it's killing the team. To me Butland is like Hart, finished at the top level, his head has gone and you don't get that back.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2019 8:01:13 GMT
I think our decline started under Hughes but has certainly accelerated since Jon Coates took over the reigns from Peter. It's just been one continual slide down a very slippery slope. Poor signings, crazy contract extensions, certain positions still not addressed, lousy managerial appointments etc etc.
Jon, Teflon and Hoss - the perfect storm !
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 24, 2019 8:01:21 GMT
Yes, if only we’d kept Paul ‘back to back relegations’ Lambert we’d be right back up there.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Aug 24, 2019 8:41:16 GMT
Have things regressed to the point where we’re looking all doe-eyed at Paul Lambert?
The bloke looked about as comfortable here as an Amish bloke in Maplins.
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