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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 16:17:03 GMT
Can someone enlighten me, as to how Verlinden got this " Best thing since slice bread " tag? For what I've seen of him, 10 minute cameo against Preston, I just don't get it.🤔 Surely, if he was that good, there'd be a queue of clubs waiting to sign him. Apparently there were clubs in four countries interested in signing him. Why he then chose to sign with Fortuna is probably that he might have signed with a bigger club, but his chances of getting to play are bigger there. The reason he seemingly had the world at his feet five years ago was that UEFA named him one of the top ten teenagers in Europe most likely to succeed two years in a row and the 40+ csaps he won in international youth football. 10 minutes is nothing to judge a player on. Are you is agent or his dad? He's gone, get over it. If he has a brilliant career you can come on here and say 'I told you so'. Until then maybe try supporting your club and the players who are here.
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Post by somersetstokie on Jan 22, 2021 16:21:07 GMT
Apparently there were clubs in four countries interested in signing him. Why he then chose to sign with Fortuna is probably that he might have signed with a bigger club, but his chances of getting to play are bigger there. The reason he seemingly had the world at his feet five years ago was that UEFA named him one of the top ten teenagers in Europe most likely to succeed two years in a row and the 40+ csaps he won in international youth football. 10 minutes is nothing to judge a player on. I think that’s the posters point - 10 minutes and every one on this forum bangs on about him as if he’s one of our greats. Many young teenage players are celebrated early on by plaudits and almost most wither away into obscurity shortly after. Verlinden never made it out of our u23’s. Claimed interest can be misleading. I remember Berahino or Imbula suggesting that there had been offers for their move from Clubs in Russia, Italy and the USA. And then they turn up at some club that is only vaguely recognisable.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jan 22, 2021 16:24:24 GMT
That's simply not true Pugs. It's a messageboard where people have different views. It's not much different from people who haven't seen a minute of Alfie Doughtey playing suddenly hailing him as the second coming, yet they just 'know' Verlinden is shit. It's just barmy football fans being football fans and having strong opinions. This increasingly prevalent view that you are the antichrist if you don't agree with everything the manager does is all very odd. It simply is. A constant stream of contrary negative drivel whatever the subject matter. Their matter of fact style is very very tiresome. That pretty much sums it up. I genuinely love this board. Probably makes me a sad fucker but I genuinely do. It’s funny, informative and full of people who are like me and are weirdly obsessed with a football club who, in the grand scheme of things, aren’t of great significance beyond the Staffordshire county bounds. But the fact is. And it is a fact. The posters who are obsessed with negativity and criticism hijack so many threads that it becomes exhausting and sucks the good out of the board.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 22, 2021 16:54:59 GMT
Well we seem to have retired the concept of wingers going around defenders so there may be some mileage in it! If he was that good he wouldnt of ended up at some 3rd rate Dutch team Jinky 'Jason' Brown it is then
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Post by bangorstokie on Jan 22, 2021 16:57:57 GMT
Can someone enlighten me, as to how Verlinden got this " Best thing since slice bread " tag? For what I've seen of him, 10 minute cameo against Preston, I just don't get it.🤔 Surely, if he was that good, there'd be a queue of clubs waiting to sign him. Apparently there were clubs in four countries interested in signing him. Why he then chose to sign with Fortuna is probably that he might have signed with a bigger club, but his chances of getting to play are bigger there. The reason he seemingly had the world at his feet five years ago was that UEFA named him one of the top ten teenagers in Europe most likely to succeed two years in a row and the 40+ csaps he won in international youth football. 10 minutes is nothing to judge a player on. "Apparently" and "Seemingly" are two words that maybe mean all the hype about how good he was, was just that, Hype!. Would be happy to know which 4 countries were "Apparently" interested in him, so I was wondering if you could inform me who the 4 countries, "Apparently" were.
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Post by mickey2693 on Jan 22, 2021 16:57:58 GMT
I think that’s the posters point - 10 minutes and every one on this forum bangs on about him as if he’s one of our greats. Many young teenage players are celebrated early on by plaudits and almost most wither away into obscurity shortly after. Verlinden never made it out of our u23’s. Claimed interest can be misleading. I remember Berahino or Imbula suggesting that there had been offers for their move from Clubs in Russia, Italy and the USA. And then they turn up at some club that is only vaguely recognisable. That's abit disrespectful to Zulte Waregem and their fan
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 22, 2021 17:02:33 GMT
Apparently there were clubs in four countries interested in signing him. Why he then chose to sign with Fortuna is probably that he might have signed with a bigger club, but his chances of getting to play are bigger there. The reason he seemingly had the world at his feet five years ago was that UEFA named him one of the top ten teenagers in Europe most likely to succeed two years in a row and the 40+ csaps he won in international youth football. 10 minutes is nothing to judge a player on. "Apparently" and "Seemingly" are two words that maybe mean all the hype about how good he was, was just that, Hype!. Would be happy to know which 4 countries were "Apparently" interested in him, so I was wondering if you could inform me who the 4 countries, "Apparently" were. I wouldn’t bother mate. This particular individual is strange to say the least. In a previous exchange, he tried to tell me Verlinden was on the verge on a call up the senior Belgian squad for the forthcoming Euros. He makes things up as he goes along.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 17:05:35 GMT
I don't think he's really been given a proper chance at Stoke Which is odd ,because he's two footed
But it's just tough .
Stuart Pearce spent quite a while playing for Harrow and wealdstone , Ian Wright for Dulwich Boro and David platt for Crewe .No one decent would give them there chance , until ... eventually ...
I think he's decent but it ain't going to be happening at Stoke
Hopefully he will come good elsewhere .
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Post by salfordstokie on Jan 22, 2021 17:09:01 GMT
Like many a young player at Stoke, we have a lot of hope that they will realise their potential here, but it never seems to happen. Multiple managers didn't quite see enough in him to start him, so maybe that says something in itself. Good luck to the lad.
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Post by clarkeda on Jan 22, 2021 17:13:22 GMT
I personally think it’s because tbo was too small.
MON makes reference to Alfie’s physical stature in his announcement.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Jan 22, 2021 17:19:52 GMT
Joins another great pantheon of having played for both clubs in the legend Sambegou Bangoura
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 17:39:36 GMT
Apparently there were clubs in four countries interested in signing him. Why he then chose to sign with Fortuna is probably that he might have signed with a bigger club, but his chances of getting to play are bigger there. The reason he seemingly had the world at his feet five years ago was that UEFA named him one of the top ten teenagers in Europe most likely to succeed two years in a row and the 40+ csaps he won in international youth football. 10 minutes is nothing to judge a player on. "Apparently" and "Seemingly" are two words that maybe mean all the hype about how good he was, was just that, Hype!. Would be happy to know which 4 countries were "Apparently" interested in him, so I was wondering if you could inform me who the 4 countries, "Apparently" were. Belgium, Holland, Denmark, Germany, and I understand there was also some interest from Scotland. Oh, damn, that was five countries... As for your stab at semantic analysis, I was trying toi write a neutral manner. Of course I could have written my own opinion but you already know that. He did have the world at his feet, but English, or should I say Welsh and N.Irish, managers, not for the first time in history, failed to see a good thing in front of them. And of course those very managers have been very successful for Stoke, haven't they? No...
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Post by march4 on Jan 22, 2021 17:41:43 GMT
I might be in a minority but I would have preferred us to end Matondo’s loan, look to sell Brown and use the money saved to keep Verlinden until the end of the season.
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Post by devsad on Jan 22, 2021 18:01:47 GMT
I think people are judging him on more than 10 minutes. If memory serves me right he at least came on for about half a game under Jones, had a real impact and got man of the match.
I am sad to see him go as one of my favourite things in football is seeing a tricky winger take on a player (please take note Tom Ince). Even on the limited viewings of him he did get me excited and off my seat and though I respect O'Neill I cannot understand why he would be allowed to leave if it is just down to footballing ability.
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Post by prestwichpotter on Jan 22, 2021 18:03:43 GMT
I might be in a minority but I would have preferred us to end Matondo’s loan, look to sell Brown and use the money saved to keep Verlinden until the end of the season. Good one.....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 18:36:14 GMT
I think people are judging him on more than 10 minutes. If memory serves me right he at least came on for about half a game under Jones, had a real impact and got man of the match. I am sad to see him go as one of my favourite things in football is seeing a tricky winger take on a player (please take note Tom Ince). Even on the limited viewings of him he did get me excited and off my seat and though I respect O'Neill I cannot understand why he would be allowed to leave if it is just down to footballing ability. It was the poster above who stated that he had only seen him for 10 minutes vs Preston and yet still had strong views on the matter. Me, I've seen him more than 10 hours, if not 20. Verlinden started a game under Jones and stayed on for 60 mins (coincidentally the same amount of time Jones always afforded Bojan) and was indeed motm, and Jones praised him to high heaven. But he never played him again, instead he sent him off to Bolton. There the manager loved him.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 18:40:56 GMT
"Apparently" and "Seemingly" are two words that maybe mean all the hype about how good he was, was just that, Hype!. Would be happy to know which 4 countries were "Apparently" interested in him, so I was wondering if you could inform me who the 4 countries, "Apparently" were. I wouldn’t bother mate. This particular individual is strange to say the least. In a previous exchange, he tried to tell me Verlinden was on the verge on a call up the senior Belgian squad for the forthcoming Euros. He makes things up as he goes along. You have a way with words that makes you come out as a liar, you're very good at that. I'm not the only person on the Oatcake that has referred to Roberto Martinez' interview on Belgian TV that Thibaud Verlinden was being considered as a possible squad member for the upcoming euros. But in your very "strange" mind 'considered' instantly becomes 'on the verge". There is a difference but it's going to be impossible for you to grasp that. Meanwhile here's an article, linked to from the Oatcake, that might surprise some that claim otherwise Stoke management excited by Thibaud Verlinden potential.
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Post by mickstupp on Jan 22, 2021 18:42:54 GMT
I wouldn’t bother mate. This particular individual is strange to say the least. In a previous exchange, he tried to tell me Verlinden was on the verge on a call up the senior Belgian squad for the forthcoming Euros. He makes things up as he goes along. You have a way with words that makes you come out as a liar, you're very good at that. I'm not the only person on the Oatcake that has referred to Roberto Martinez' interview on Belgian TV that Thibaud Verlinden was being considered as a possible squad member for the upcoming euros. But in your very "strange" mind 'considered' instantly becomes 'on the verge". There is a difference but it's going to be impossible for you to grasp that. Meanwhile here's an article, linked to from the Oatcake, that might surprise some that claim otherwise Stoke management excited by Thibaud Verlinden potential. Utter drivel
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Post by sheikhmomo on Jan 22, 2021 18:45:15 GMT
It simply is. A constant stream of contrary negative drivel whatever the subject matter. Their matter of fact style is very very tiresome. That pretty much sums it up. I genuinely love this board. Probably makes me a sad fucker but I genuinely do. It’s funny, informative and full of people who are like me and are weirdly obsessed with a football club who, in the grand scheme of things, aren’t of great significance beyond the Staffordshire county bounds. But the fact is. And it is a fact. The posters who are obsessed with negativity and criticism hijack so many threads that it becomes exhausting and sucks the good out of the board. Always been this way. When Pulis had us stable in the top tier people made a great play of telling us they wouldn't go the match anymore, when Hughes got us to the most consistently high finish in our history, the bile spewed towards players like Charlie Adam was extreme. You are right I suppose, but there are very few who can take any moral high ground here and why should they on a messageboard? Just opinions.
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Post by gingerninja on Jan 22, 2021 18:46:58 GMT
He's moved. There's no point debating the ifs why's and maybes. He may well go on to great things, he may not. I am sure most will keep an eye on if that should happen. I am just happy to focus on players who are currently playing for my club.
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 22, 2021 18:53:24 GMT
How many players can people list who have left Stoke City to go on and do better things at other clubs in the last 20 years.
Not very many.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 18:57:10 GMT
You have a way with words that makes you come out as a liar, you're very good at that. I'm not the only person on the Oatcake that has referred to Roberto Martinez' interview on Belgian TV that Thibaud Verlinden was being considered as a possible squad member for the upcoming euros. But in your very "strange" mind 'considered' instantly becomes 'on the verge". There is a difference but it's going to be impossible for you to grasp that. Meanwhile here's an article, linked to from the Oatcake, that might surprise some that claim otherwise Stoke management excited by Thibaud Verlinden potential. Utter drivel
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Post by PotteringThrough on Jan 22, 2021 18:58:22 GMT
Good luck to him.
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Post by leicspotter on Jan 22, 2021 19:21:34 GMT
Can someone enlighten me, as to how Verlinden got this " Best thing since slice bread " tag? For what I've seen of him, 10 minute cameo against Preston, I just don't get it.🤔 Surely, if he was that good, there'd be a queue of clubs waiting to sign him. As for his time in the U23s, I hold my hands up. Haven't seen very much of them to be honest but come on, there's a world of difference between the U23s and the championship. To criticize MON on this particular issue is a tad unfair. This is the bloke that has given youth a chance, Campbell, Souttar, Collins, and I think it's pretty obvious that he doesn't think Verlinden is good enough. Oh, and before anyone chirps up, Yes I've criticised MON in the past for his negativity but this is something to do with building a team that we all can be proud of. Next one out Once, I hope. As I said earlier in this thread, lots of players are brilliant, when they aren't in the starting 11, then they play and we see they aren't quite "all that". I'm not anti-Thibaud, I genuinely have always wanted him to succeed, but I saw pretty much all of his first team minutes, including pre-season, and wasn't struck that he would be such a great player for Stoke. He is clearly VERY confident in his own ability, even when not actually showing that ability, which suggests, to me at least, some similarities with Ince. The difference is that Ince HAS shown ability, but seemingly chooses no longer to bother, whereas Verlinden has only ever really hinted at such talent without truly delivering. It is very sad that his injuries seriously curtailed his development but I guess that's life. Some players battle through these setbacks and go on to great things...maybe Thibaud will...I seriously doubt it. Successive managers will have seen enough, in training and u23 action, to make a reasoned judgement about him.
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Post by baystokie on Jan 22, 2021 19:22:56 GMT
I think people are judging him on more than 10 minutes. If memory serves me right he at least came on for about half a game under Jones, had a real impact and got man of the match. I am sad to see him go as one of my favourite things in football is seeing a tricky winger take on a player (please take note Tom Ince). Even on the limited viewings of him he did get me excited and off my seat and though I respect O'Neill I cannot understand why he would be allowed to leave if it is just down to footballing ability. It was the poster above who stated that he had only seen him for 10 minutes vs Preston and yet still had strong views on the matter. Me, I've seen him more than 10 hours, if not 20. Verlinden started a game under Jones and stayed on for 60 mins (coincidentally the same amount of time Jones always afforded Bojan) and was indeed motm, and Jones praised him to high heaven. But he never played him again, instead he sent him off to Bolton. There the manager loved him. Managers have always lived and died by their opinions and actions - years ago, even Sir Stan couldn't see any future for Ray Kennedy - so, by Oatcake logic, Stan was a bad judge of a player? Football has always had it's teenage talent that never materialised along with it's late starters who had earlier been told to forget football as a living - life's like that for many outside football.
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Post by foxysgloves on Jan 22, 2021 19:24:40 GMT
That pretty much sums it up. I genuinely love this board. Probably makes me a sad fucker but I genuinely do. It’s funny, informative and full of people who are like me and are weirdly obsessed with a football club who, in the grand scheme of things, aren’t of great significance beyond the Staffordshire county bounds. But the fact is. And it is a fact. The posters who are obsessed with negativity and criticism hijack so many threads that it becomes exhausting and sucks the good out of the board. Always been this way. When Pulis had us stable in the top tier people made a great play of telling us they wouldn't go the match anymore, when Hughes got us to the most consistently high finish in our history, the bile spewed towards players like Charlie Adam was extreme. You are right I suppose, but there are very few who can take any moral high ground here and why should they on a messageboard? Just opinions. I’d rarely take moral issue here. On occasion I guess. It’s more the rampant unadulterated negativity....some fuckers seem to thrive on failure.
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Post by wakeypotter on Jan 22, 2021 19:28:51 GMT
It simply is. A constant stream of contrary negative drivel whatever the subject matter. Their matter of fact style is very very tiresome. That pretty much sums it up. I genuinely love this board. Probably makes me a sad fucker but I genuinely do. It’s funny, informative and full of people who are like me and are weirdly obsessed with a football club who, in the grand scheme of things, aren’t of great significance beyond the Staffordshire county bounds. But the fact is. And it is a fact. The posters who are obsessed with negativity and criticism hijack so many threads that it becomes exhausting and sucks the good out of the board. It’s funny cos I feel the same about the happy clappers. If you can’t see what is served up is dire that’s your problem but don’t criticise those who don’t happy clap
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Post by pmjh on Jan 22, 2021 19:38:38 GMT
That pretty much sums it up. I genuinely love this board. Probably makes me a sad fucker but I genuinely do. It’s funny, informative and full of people who are like me and are weirdly obsessed with a football club who, in the grand scheme of things, aren’t of great significance beyond the Staffordshire county bounds. But the fact is. And it is a fact. The posters who are obsessed with negativity and criticism hijack so many threads that it becomes exhausting and sucks the good out of the board. It’s funny cos I feel the same about the happy clappers. If you can’t see what is served up is dire that’s your problem but don’t criticise those who don’t happy clap Admittedly there are those with extreme views on both sides of the divide. But as a SUPPORTER I would prefer to have extremely positive rather than negative views.
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Post by wakeypotter on Jan 22, 2021 19:46:55 GMT
It’s funny cos I feel the same about the happy clappers. If you can’t see what is served up is dire that’s your problem but don’t criticise those who don’t happy clap Admittedly there are those with extreme views on both sides of the divide. But as a SUPPORTER I would prefer to have extremely positive rather than negative views. I couldn’t agree more I would rather have positive views all the time but we support Stoke city it’s not very often these days they give us much to be positive about. But anyway come on Stoke my neighbour is a Watford fan
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2021 20:03:39 GMT
How many players can people list who have left Stoke City to go on and do better things at other clubs in the last 20 years. Not very many. Just to get the list started one of them played in the Champions League final last season - it doesn't get much "better things" than that. He ended up in the losing team, PSG, then joined the winners afterwards, Bayern Munich. Now, Pugsley, you were saying...?
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