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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 13:01:35 GMT
We put in a horrendous performance in our 4th game vs a Lancashire club last season and our total ineptitude became a national news story. The same has happened again exactly 12 months later and it's hard to put into words just how frustrating it is.
The difference this time is that we've actually seen snippets of a decent side bubbling under the surface, but we desperately needed to get on a roll to start this campaign. It looks like we've achieved that but not in the manner we were hoping for. I'm not sure where we go from here. Consecutive games against probably the best side in the division offer little hope of reprieve, on paper at least. After last night it doesn't seem impossible that we'll find ourselves in a tail-spin that we simply won't be able to correct in time.
I want Jones to succeed so bloody much. I like the guy which, whilst somewhat irrelevant in a hard-nosed results business, still feels like it counts for something. I don't think many of us ever warmed to Rowett. Maybe my mind is playing tricks on me as I'm comparing what Rowett did here vs what Jones has done so far, but I'm starting to think the job Rowett did was under-rated and under-appreciated in the grand scheme of things. I was one of those calling for his head but he had us on the edge of playoff contention before the wheels fell off and it became apparent we were mid-table mediocrity. When you consider the mess he walked into then, with the benefit of hindsight, the work he did is starting to look reasonable in comparison. There's a growing number of supporters now calling for Pulis and, whilst everyone is entitlted to that opinion, personally speaking, if we re-appoint Pulis I'll likely castrate myself with a rusty fork to feel better about the situation. But regarding Rowett specifically, he came in and tried to play more expansive football. Then he realised we were too dogshit to achieve that and reverted to Pulis-style tactics, and managed to achieve some small success on the back of that despite the general discontent at the football, and the general belief that it was his limitations as a manager that meant he couldn't play more attractive football with our squad, rather than the squad itself just being wank.
I said before the season that I hoped we'd get to the end of this campaign with Jones in charge regardless of whether we were challenging or pottering about in mid-table. The only scenario that would change that is if we found ourselves in a relegation battle, which for me personally would be beyond the threshold of tolerance. I think it's going to take a lot of time and, intolerably for many, a lot of learning from Jones himself before this has any chance of working. I didn't seriously entertain the possibility that we would become embroiled in a relegation battle, believing it infinitely more likely that we'd be pushing for promotion... but Jones has had half a season to assess the squad, a full summer to shape it and, after the Leeds game on Saturday, more than 10% of the new season to get the ball rolling. It just hasn't happened so the question becomes, at what point does it stop being "the table is irrelevant at this point in the season" and become "holy shit we're bottom after X amount of games!"? Is it 8 games? 10? 12? I don't know but it's pretty fucking clear now that we need a lot more than promising moments in games. We need some huge results and it doesn't matter how we get them.
I truly hope that in several seasons, we'll be looking back at this moment in time with Jones as our "Fergie facing the sack at Man Utd" crisis moment, and will be thanking our lucky stars that the twitchy fingers of the board managed to resist pressing the big red button. But honestly, my faith was rocked massively by what we witnessed last night. He's got 6 more games to sort it out for me. We can't be that bad again and, realistically, we definitely need to be a lot luckier too. It's sad that it's come to relying on luck.
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Déjà vu
Aug 22, 2019 13:04:24 GMT
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Post by werrington on Aug 22, 2019 13:04:24 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 13:11:55 GMT
Forgive me if I don't attach my carefully constructed post touching on several different subjects to your thread with a vaguely similar theme that I hadn't seen, to satisfy your ego.
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Post by werrington on Aug 22, 2019 13:14:27 GMT
Forgive me if I don't attach my carefully constructed post touching on several different subjects to a thread I hadn't seen that you created, that has a vaguely similar theme, to satisfy your ego. I don’t give a fuck mate I’m not that shallow Feel free to clog up the board it’s those things that piss me off, but as you are talking about egos that’s the real reason here Admin leave it on
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Post by thevoid on Aug 22, 2019 13:15:55 GMT
It's deja vu all over again
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Déjà vu
Aug 22, 2019 13:16:32 GMT
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Post by stokiesteve on Aug 22, 2019 13:16:32 GMT
Forgive me if I don't attach my carefully constructed post touching on several different subjects to your thread with a vaguely similar theme that I hadn't seen, to satisfy your ego. 😂
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Déjà vu
Aug 22, 2019 13:17:50 GMT
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Post by stokiesteve on Aug 22, 2019 13:17:50 GMT
Forgive me if I don't attach my carefully constructed post touching on several different subjects to a thread I hadn't seen that you created, that has a vaguely similar theme, to satisfy your ego. I don’t give a fuck mate I’m not that shallow Feel free to clog up the board it’s those things that piss me off, but as you are talking about egos that’s the real reason here Admin leave it on Mate chill
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 13:19:58 GMT
Forgive me if I don't attach my carefully constructed post touching on several different subjects to a thread I hadn't seen that you created, that has a vaguely similar theme, to satisfy your ego. I don’t give a fuck mate I’m not that shallow Feel free to clog up the board it’s those things that piss me off, but as you are talking about egos that’s the real reason here Admin leave it on Sorry my reply was bitchy and actually quite egotistical itself. However, not that you would know, but I barely start threads on the main board. A quick browse through my history and I couldn't find 1 I created this year, and couldn't be arsed looking any further. It could well be more than a year since I started a thread on this board. So when I do it's only because, correctly or incorrectly, I feel like I have something to say worth a new thread. I get that the board is uneccessarily clogged up at times like these but I definitely don't feel like I'm a contributor to that.
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Post by werrington on Aug 22, 2019 13:23:06 GMT
I don’t give a fuck mate I’m not that shallow Feel free to clog up the board it’s those things that piss me off, but as you are talking about egos that’s the real reason here Admin leave it on Sorry my reply was bitchy and actually quite egotistical itself. However, not that you would know, but I barely start threads on the main board. A quick browse through my history and I couldn't find 1 I created this year, and couldn't be arsed looking any further. It could well be more than a year since I started a thread on this board. So when I do it's only because, correctly or incorrectly, I feel like I have something worth a new thread. Mate it was a fantastic post you created it’s just it’s a bug bare of mine with multiple threads on the same ( not this one ) subject so sorry if it came over all sharp Fair do’s
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Déjà vu
Aug 22, 2019 13:23:09 GMT
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Post by stokiesteve on Aug 22, 2019 13:23:09 GMT
I don’t give a fuck mate I’m not that shallow Feel free to clog up the board it’s those things that piss me off, but as you are talking about egos that’s the real reason here Admin leave it on Sorry my reply was bitchy and actually quite egotistical itself. However, not that you would know, but I barely start threads on the main board. A quick browse through my history and I couldn't find 1 I created this year, and couldn't be arsed looking any further. It could well be more than a year since I started a thread on this board. So when I do it's only because, correctly or incorrectly, I feel like I have something to say worth a new thread. I get that the board is uneccessarily clogged up at times like these but I definitely don't feel like I'm a contributor to that. Thread etiquette mate Sort it
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Post by nott1 on Aug 22, 2019 13:29:16 GMT
Sorry my reply was bitchy and actually quite egotistical itself. However, not that you would know, but I barely start threads on the main board. A quick browse through my history and I couldn't find 1 I created this year, and couldn't be arsed looking any further. It could well be more than a year since I started a thread on this board. So when I do it's only because, correctly or incorrectly, I feel like I have something worth a new thread. Mate it was a fantastic post you created it’s just it’s a bug bare of mine with multiple threads on the same ( not this one ) subject so sorry if it came over all sharp Fair do’s Stop this decency epidemic please!
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Déjà vu
Aug 22, 2019 13:35:56 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 13:35:56 GMT
Get a room 🤪
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Post by trickydicky73 on Aug 22, 2019 13:38:21 GMT
It's deja vu all over again I knew you were going to say that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 13:40:37 GMT
Next time an actual war looks like breaking out me and werrington should be the diplomats.
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Post by danceswithclams on Aug 22, 2019 14:17:06 GMT
Sorry my reply was bitchy and actually quite egotistical itself. However, not that you would know, but I barely start threads on the main board. A quick browse through my history and I couldn't find 1 I created this year, and couldn't be arsed looking any further. It could well be more than a year since I started a thread on this board. So when I do it's only because, correctly or incorrectly, I feel like I have something worth a new thread. Mate it was a fantastic post you created it’s just it’s a bug bare of mine with multiple threads on the same ( not this one ) subject so sorry if it came over all sharp Fair do’s Benders.
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