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Post by sheds1862 on Aug 22, 2019 10:11:54 GMT
Also he banged on about his unique and fantastic pre season and quoted something along the lines of we know what we are doing for all 45 days or however many it was. You could fucking kid me
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Post by wuzza on Aug 22, 2019 10:13:08 GMT
Unfortunately he is looking increasingly like a one trick pony. The trick worked at Luton. Last season he had the excuse he didn’t have the players to work the trick. This season he hasn’t got that excuse. To be a quality manager he needs to have more tricks up his sleeve but there doesn’t seem to be anything. We are moving out of the ‘bad luck’ or ‘individual mistakes’ scenario into another much murkier area. The owners can’t afford to leave things much longer or the unthinkable might happen and they find themselves financing a club with a fixture list of Accrington Stanleys and Fleetwood Towns and an empty stadium. I feel sorry for him but he is acutely aware that this can’t continue.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 10:14:57 GMT
So, er, Tony Pulis then.
Since getting rid of Hughes we've recruited bog standard Championship level or lower managers and bought quite possibly the least exciting set of players I've ever seen at Stoke.
I don't want Pulis back but if it wasn't for him Coates and co would never have got us into the Prem. Pretty much every other management signing Coates and co have made over the years has been shit.
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Post by stiggerstackle on Aug 22, 2019 10:15:27 GMT
It is Jones, it really, really is.
He may not be responsible for our demise over the last few years, but he's had 8 months, money, backing in the transfer market, resources in every conceivable way over and above what he had at Luton and he has made us worse in every single department.
I like NJ. I want him to be a success, but it just is not happening and it has to be down to him.
I feel for the bloke - he's obviously talented and achieved great things at Luton, but what must he be thinking? He's had bad luck and players woefully underperforming, but that's about as much mitigation I can give him. We were a totally different team last night as soon as we conceded to the team I saw on Saturday.
His players, his system, his formation, his substitutions.
It appears very much that it is Jones.
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Post by skelman on Aug 22, 2019 10:23:09 GMT
Is that some sort of joke posted on the Club website? CHRISTMAS AT THE BET365 STADIUM!Bloody well seems like it right now!! With Jones masquerading as Santa dishing out the prezzies
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Post by roylandstoke on Aug 22, 2019 10:30:37 GMT
Listen,can we just get behind the bloke... If pro footballers cant adapt to a system or shape then thats on THEM. 4 Managers now these shithouse players have got the sack and still its not them its the gaffer!! We need to stick with and support jones... Fuck these charalatan chancers,make it known we are with the manager. They will have nowhwere to hide then,we cannot keep sacking managers because of toss players who dont want to be here!! Keep the faith,rant over. Bravo sir ! Some thick fucks on here seem to forget the players are proffesionals..... PROFESSIONALS AND NOT AMATEURS. Some of the Sunday league shit weve watched over the last few seasons is boardering on dereliction of duty. Theres a Common denominator here through all the tenures of the previous managers..... I’ll leave it to our right honorabele thick fucks to work out who or what that denominator is. You may or may not group me in with your: "right honorabele(sic) thick fucks" but I´ll have a punt at the common denominator. The common denominator appears to be under performing professional management. Hughes seemed to have a bit of a break down and began questioning himself over every team selection causing disjointed performances. Lambert tried hard but wasn´t able to turn around the sinking ship. Rowett was an arrogant man who alienated the fan base and whose mediocre results did nothing to justify his dull football. There´s really only one way to judge a football manager´s performance: are they getting the best out of the resources they have been given? Hughes did for 3 years and then failed. Lambert and Rowett did not. The current manager asked to be judged on his results this season. We are bottom and playing poorly against average opposition. The manager needs to improve his performance. He is being paid an awful lot of money. If there is not a significant improvement in results this manager will be judged as the worst in my lifetime. I want to like Jones and really hope he can turn it around.
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Post by Davef on Aug 22, 2019 10:31:34 GMT
We've won 4 games out of 26 under Nathan Jones.
Swansea have won 4 out of 5 under their new manager Steve Cooper, despite losing their two best players in the summer.
Sheffield Wednesday have won 3 out of 4 under their caretaker manager Lee Bullen.
Birmingham have 2 wins from their new manager Josep Clotet Ruiz's first five games.
Forest have 2 wins from their new managers Sabri Lamouchi's first five, as well as a creditable draw away at Leeds.
Has anybody even heard of the Forest and Birmingham managers, and possibly even Swansea's?
When does it actually become Nathan's fault?
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Post by MrFlirty on Aug 22, 2019 10:31:39 GMT
It must be frustrating as a manager when you see "professional" players who are paid £10000s pounds a month, make schoolboy footballing errors. I know there are other issues re selection/shape but there have been so many mistakes.
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Post by serpico on Aug 22, 2019 10:36:28 GMT
Listen,can we just get behind the bloke... If pro footballers cant adapt to a system or shape then thats on THEM. 4 Managers now these shithouse players have got the sack and still its not them its the gaffer!! We need to stick with and support jones... Fuck these charalatan chancers,make it known we are with the manager. They will have nowhwere to hide then,we cannot keep sacking managers because of toss players who dont want to be here!! Keep the faith,rant over. The players are taking the piss I agree, especially Joe Allen. Butland is having a stinker but he will now be judged on how he handles this situation. Id drop Allen and sell him for as cheap as possible at the next opportunity. I don’t think Allen is taking the piss, he’s trying his best it just isn’t working, I think his poor form is being amplified by the formation not working.
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Post by questionable on Aug 22, 2019 10:38:19 GMT
How anyone can remotely think that Jones isn’t part of the problem, big one at that baffles me.
Not signing a suitor for his specialist LB/LWB and thinking that JM is the answer, Benching the best RB at the club and spending good money on a replacement, who’s actually worse.
Then playing the cast of the Seven Dwarfs in midfield who get overrun every game, signing a CH, dropping another to play Batthe..
The list is endless he’s got to go
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Post by foster on Aug 22, 2019 10:38:58 GMT
The buck stops with the manager.
His job to secure the players, tactics and results.
If the players can't adapt then it's up to him to change them or switch tactics to accommodate the ones we have.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 10:42:44 GMT
Listen,can we just get behind the bloke... If pro footballers cant adapt to a system or shape then thats on THEM. 4 Managers now these shithouse players have got the sack and still its not them its the gaffer!! We need to stick with and support jones... Fuck these charalatan chancers,make it known we are with the manager. They will have nowhwere to hide then,we cannot keep sacking managers because of toss players who dont want to be here!! Keep the faith,rant over. Bravo sir ! Some thick fucks on here seem to forget the players are proffesionals..... PROFESSIONALS AND NOT AMATEURS. Some of the Sunday league shit weve watched over the last few seasons is boardering on dereliction of duty. Theres a Common denominator here through all the tenures of the previous managers..... I’ll leave it to our right honorabele thick fucks to work out who or what that denominator is. If you're accusing people of being thick fucks I always find it prudent to spell check before you post. But I think I get your point......
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Post by daveandeddy on Aug 22, 2019 10:47:12 GMT
So, er, Tony Pulis then. Since getting rid of Hughes we've recruited bog standard Championship level or lower managers and bought quite possibly the least exciting set of players I've ever seen at Stoke. I don't want Pulis back but if it wasn't for him Coates and co would never have got us into the Prem. Pretty much every other management signing Coates and co have made over the years has been shit. It wasn't a bog standard Championship player though who has let 5 goals in that he should have saved? ( I will let him off the piss poor attempt again on the penalty -- diving to soon ( or maybe I wont ? ) It isn't a bog standard championship player who passes across the back line to one of the opposition? It isn't a bog standard championship player who bottled the challenge for the first goal?
That's 6 of the 10 we have conceded -- we really are the gift that keeps giving
If Butland hasn't the mental strength to accept he's not in the England Squad then he needs to be on the bench warming his arse at best... What message does his inclusion send to our other keepers?
Jones did not send Butland out to do that.. Or Etebo --- Or Allen
4 games in and some of the posters on here need to keep away from sharp objects
This is Jones Team now and like it or not he needs to be supported not constantly pulled up every time he picks a team or makes a substitution us "experts" don't agree with
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 22, 2019 10:49:38 GMT
So, er, Tony Pulis then. Since getting rid of Hughes we've recruited bog standard Championship level or lower managers and bought quite possibly the least exciting set of players I've ever seen at Stoke. I don't want Pulis back but if it wasn't for him Coates and co would never have got us into the Prem. Pretty much every other management signing Coates and co have made over the years has been shit. It wasn't a bog standard Championship player though who has let 5 goals in that he should have saved? ( I will let him off the piss poor attempt again on the penalty -- diving to soon ( or maybe I wont ? ) It isn't a bog standard championship player who passes across the back line to one of the opposition? It isn't a bog standard championship player who bottled the challenge for the first goal?
That's 6 of the 10 we have conceded -- we really are the gift that keeps giving
If Butland hasn't the mental strength to accept he's not in the England Squad then he needs to be on the bench warming his arse at best... What message does his inclusion send to our other keepers?
Jones did not send Butland out to do that.. Or Etebo --- Or Allen
4 games in and some of the posters on here need to keep away from sharp objects
This is Jones Team now and like it or not he needs to be supported not constantly pulled up every time he picks a team or makes a substitution us "experts" don't agree with
Do you think Jones should start Allen on Saturday?
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Post by serpico on Aug 22, 2019 10:50:50 GMT
Its not just that we’re losing, it’s that we’re conceding 2-3 per game that’s the most worrying aspect to all this, there’s no protection for the back 4 when playing the diamond formation, it needs scrapping as it patently not working.
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Post by daveandeddy on Aug 22, 2019 10:51:09 GMT
And please don't mention Pulis .... Hes a busted flush who has been sacked at every club since ours
Radio Stoke and Lee Blakeman last night.... Out of order and it was just like listening to the BBC and Chanell 4 spouting shit about B--X--
Agenda's? I've shit em
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Post by LankyPotter on Aug 22, 2019 10:51:34 GMT
The players are taking the piss I agree, especially Joe Allen. Butland is having a stinker but he will now be judged on how he handles this situation. Id drop Allen and sell him for as cheap as possible at the next opportunity. I don’t think Allen is taking the piss, he’s trying his best it just isn’t working, I think his poor form is being amplified by the formation not working. Okay, what strengths does Joe Allen have? I genuinely don’t think he adds anything to this football club and is actually taking the piss.
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Post by serpico on Aug 22, 2019 10:57:57 GMT
Besides the mistakes we looked poor last night all over the pitch, it’s not as if we played well and were unlucky, we were pretty miserable.
We’re conceding 2-3 goals a game, that indicates to me that there’s a flaw in the way the manager is setting us up.
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Post by Goonie on Aug 22, 2019 11:00:59 GMT
It is a lot of things - there are some very deep rooted issues that are discussed to death, such as recruitment, the match day experience and so on and so forth. However Mr Jones does not help himself by a) sticking with a system they cant adapt to b) not dropping players who it is as clear as day at best need a rest c) not addressing key positions in the transfer window that suit his own system d) recruiting a very mixed bunch who to the naked eye one struggles to see how half of them would suit his system (and so far dont) I fear the stench of the club, the seemingly 'what is all the fuss about' mantra still prevailing, key personnel on and off the pitch still here all culminate in Mr Jones looking more and more out of his depth 🎯
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Post by kronkie on Aug 22, 2019 11:01:20 GMT
Listen,can we just get behind the bloke... If pro footballers cant adapt to a system or shape then thats on THEM. 4 Managers now these shithouse players have got the sack and still its not them its the gaffer!! We need to stick with and support jones... Fuck these charalatan chancers,make it known we are with the manager. They will have nowhwere to hide then,we cannot keep sacking managers because of toss players who dont want to be here!! Keep the faith,rant over. I don't know if you have noticed but at least half of them he has bought in.
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Post by Goonie on Aug 22, 2019 11:03:41 GMT
He’s fucking useless and as got to go , stop making excuses for him , it’s a results game and we aren’t getting them Every time I read your username I see it as Christ! He Potter? 😎
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Post by serpico on Aug 22, 2019 11:04:52 GMT
I don’t think Allen is taking the piss, he’s trying his best it just isn’t working, I think his poor form is being amplified by the formation not working. Okay, what strengths does Joe Allen have? I genuinely don’t think he adds anything to this football club and is actually taking the piss. “Taking the piss” makes it sound like he’s doing it deliberately, but he doesn’t pick himself, he’s not working any less harder than he always has, he’s in poor form and I don’t think this formation suits him, I think he’s more suited to a 442.
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Post by daveandeddy on Aug 22, 2019 11:08:03 GMT
It wasn't a bog standard Championship player though who has let 5 goals in that he should have saved? ( I will let him off the piss poor attempt again on the penalty -- diving to soon ( or maybe I wont ? ) It isn't a bog standard championship player who passes across the back line to one of the opposition? It isn't a bog standard championship player who bottled the challenge for the first goal?
That's 6 of the 10 we have conceded -- we really are the gift that keeps giving
If Butland hasn't the mental strength to accept he's not in the England Squad then he needs to be on the bench warming his arse at best... What message does his inclusion send to our other keepers?
Jones did not send Butland out to do that.. Or Etebo --- Or Allen
4 games in and some of the posters on here need to keep away from sharp objects
This is Jones Team now and like it or not he needs to be supported not constantly pulled up every time he picks a team or makes a substitution us "experts" don't agree with
Do you think Jones should start Allen on Saturday? no no and no again.......... My staring line up ( Federici --- Smith - Mclean -- Lindasy - CVV -- Woods - Etebo - Duffy - Ince -- Hogan - Gregory ) start with the diamond with an option to revert to 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1
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Post by LankyPotter on Aug 22, 2019 11:09:50 GMT
Okay, what strengths does Joe Allen have? I genuinely don’t think he adds anything to this football club and is actually taking the piss. “Taking the piss” makes it sound like he’s doing it deliberately, but he doesn’t pick himself, he’s not working any less harder than he always has, he’s in poor form and I don’t think this formation suits him, I think he’s more suited to a 442. I would say that he his working hard to avoid getting on the ball. Watch him against Leeds as he has against every other club this season hide behind there midfielders, not in the sense of being in an attacking position the other side of them but actually hiding behind them so that he isn’t an option. That is taking the piss for me I’m afraid.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 22, 2019 11:15:03 GMT
Do you think Jones should start Allen on Saturday? no no and no again.......... My staring line up ( Federici --- Smith - Mclean -- Lindasy - CVV -- Woods - Etebo - Duffy - Ince -- Hogan - Gregory ) start with the diamond with an option to revert to 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1 But you were just having a pop at people on here for being "experts" when it comes to picking the team?
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Post by christhepotter on Aug 22, 2019 11:23:52 GMT
He’s fucking useless and as got to go , stop making excuses for him , it’s a results game and we aren’t getting them Every time I read your username I see it as Christ! He Potter? 😎 Well urs Mrs does say God a lot when I’m with her 🤷♂️😁
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Post by stiggerstackle on Aug 22, 2019 11:31:48 GMT
So, er, Tony Pulis then. Since getting rid of Hughes we've recruited bog standard Championship level or lower managers and bought quite possibly the least exciting set of players I've ever seen at Stoke. I don't want Pulis back but if it wasn't for him Coates and co would never have got us into the Prem. Pretty much every other management signing Coates and co have made over the years has been shit. It wasn't a bog standard Championship player though who has let 5 goals in that he should have saved? ( I will let him off the piss poor attempt again on the penalty -- diving to soon ( or maybe I wont ? ) It isn't a bog standard championship player who passes across the back line to one of the opposition? It isn't a bog standard championship player who bottled the challenge for the first goal?
That's 6 of the 10 we have conceded -- we really are the gift that keeps giving
If Butland hasn't the mental strength to accept he's not in the England Squad then he needs to be on the bench warming his arse at best... What message does his inclusion send to our other keepers?
Jones did not send Butland out to do that.. Or Etebo --- Or Allen
4 games in and some of the posters on here need to keep away from sharp objects
This is Jones Team now and like it or not he needs to be supported not constantly pulled up every time he picks a team or makes a substitution us "experts" don't agree with
I want to agree, but his substitutions by his own admission have directly cost us games - it's as though he's in so deep he can't even get the basic stuff right that we can all see. His substitutions last night were again, frankly baffling.
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Post by daveandeddy on Aug 22, 2019 11:35:43 GMT
no no and no again.......... My staring line up ( Federici --- Smith - Mclean -- Lindasy - CVV -- Woods - Etebo - Duffy - Ince -- Hogan - Gregory ) start with the diamond with an option to revert to 4-4-2 or 4-4-1-1 But you were just having a pop at people on here for being "experts" when it comes to picking the team? ?? YOU asked ME what team I would go for ? would I pick Allen..... no I wouldn't , I will support whatever team go out in RED and WHITE but it doesn't mean I anner got an opinion . I just don't slag the manager off at every opportunity with my "expert" opinion.
PS --- I wont ask him what I should do with my Commercial accounts this afternoon either
I wasn't having a pop just saying how I see it.
Fuckwit... Go start a row with someone who knows you
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 11:36:00 GMT
You just carry on sucking the players off then,who have been shit for 3 YEARS. Hang on a fucking minute. Edwards - played one season and did very well Baath - NJ signing Lindsay - NJ signing Collins - played about 5 games McLean - may as well have been signed by him given his much he loves him but only been here a year Clucas - may as well have been signed by him given how much he loves him but only been here a year Hogan - NJ signing Gregory - NJ signing Vokes - NJ signing Ince - only playing as an NJ signing has been injured. So that leaves Woods (has ousted NJ signing Cousins) who has been here a year, Allen and Butland (who is still number one despite an NJ signing). Now tell me it's fuck all to do with NJ?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 22, 2019 11:41:13 GMT
But you were just having a pop at people on here for being "experts" when it comes to picking the team? ?? YOU asked ME what team I would go for ? would I pick Allen..... no I wouldn't , I will support whatever team go out in RED and WHITE but it doesn't mean I anner got an opinion . I just don't slag the manager off at every opportunity with my "expert" opinion.
PS --- I wont ask him what I should do with my Commercial accounts this afternoon either
I wasn't having a pop just saying how I see it.
Fuckwit... Go start a row with someone who knows you
Yeah the reason I asked you, was to see if you had an opinion on the team selection. And you have, so, you're obviously a bit of an "expert" yourself, aren't you? And there's absolutely no need to call me a fuckwit either ...
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