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Post by devondumpling on Aug 22, 2019 8:54:40 GMT
It's not Jones my arse. Who the fuck is it then? Quote from Jones "Since I've come here there's been a hangover of players wanting to leave, players thinking they are proper players, players wanting to go and play in Europe, players thinking of their international careers," added Jones, who replaced Gary Rowett in January. "There hasn't been a group here together who want to play and focus and win games for Stoke City, that's a problem. I thought we had made big strides in that, but evidently we haven't."
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Post by nottsover60 on Aug 22, 2019 8:54:51 GMT
The trouble is recruiting 11 players is far more difficult than integrating one or two into a team who are well bonded. Perhaps recruiting so many leaders has led to dressing room agro. You do need followers as well and to be honest I haven't seen any more leadership on display this season than last. I remember Portsmouth buying a similar number of allegedly good players and every commentator saying it would take time for them to click but then everything would be OK. They got relegated.
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Post by caine on Aug 22, 2019 8:54:55 GMT
Listen,can we just get behind the bloke... If pro footballers cant adapt to a system or shape then thats on THEM. 4 Managers now these shithouse players have got the sack and still its not them its the gaffer!! We need to stick with and support jones... Fuck these charalatan chancers,make it known we are with the manager. They will have nowhwere to hide then,we cannot keep sacking managers because of toss players who dont want to be here!! Keep the faith,rant over. I’m 50/50 on this whilst I agree the players have let us down massively i still Q his tactics. It’s plain to see the system don’t work and yet again he’s gonna make changes this Saturday. He hasn’t found his best team and formation and he’s had a pre season and four games... it ain’t good from both parties is it. Can’t defend him to much longer!
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Post by Northy on Aug 22, 2019 8:57:17 GMT
I think I'd prefer Dave Allen in goal mate. 😁 With that finger missing , no chance! at least he could get a few fingers onto a ball
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Post by rawli on Aug 22, 2019 9:00:06 GMT
There is no such thing as bad Indians - only bad chiefs The buck should always stop with the chief (in this case the management) I had a bad Indian once in Wakefield. Shat water for a week.
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Post by LankyPotter on Aug 22, 2019 9:01:49 GMT
Listen,can we just get behind the bloke... If pro footballers cant adapt to a system or shape then thats on THEM. 4 Managers now these shithouse players have got the sack and still its not them its the gaffer!! We need to stick with and support jones... Fuck these charalatan chancers,make it known we are with the manager. They will have nowhwere to hide then,we cannot keep sacking managers because of toss players who dont want to be here!! Keep the faith,rant over. The players are taking the piss I agree, especially Joe Allen. Butland is having a stinker but he will now be judged on how he handles this situation. Id drop Allen and sell him for as cheap as possible at the next opportunity.
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Post by pavel on Aug 22, 2019 9:03:00 GMT
It's not Jones my arse. Who the fuck is it then? Jones is a big part of the problem at the moment but we all know it runs much deeper. Ditching the diamond and playing his best team rather than names would be a start. You just can’t defend his record be it with players he inherited or with his own, it’s shocking. But F knows where we go from here.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Aug 22, 2019 9:04:00 GMT
The new players have had 4 games... Wake up FFS. He’s literally made us worse. He’s not playing most of the players he’s sign. Why is that? Because they aren’t any better than what we had. I don’t understand how anyone can possibly justify him in the slightest at the moment. And I’m not having it that all our players are bad eggs. Allen and Butland have been having a mare but he’s hanging the rest out to dry in a system they can’t play and never will be able to play. He’s taken one of the best defences in the league and tore it to shred. Why? For a ducking diamond. Allen and Butland are the main reason we're not getting the results, you can't just dismiss that as yeh but, Allen does his job as he should then they don't even get a chance of a shot, and Butland makes some saves a 10yr old could make and we aren't on the back foot early in every game. We've looked our best going forward, apart from last night, very few if any played well but the amount of chances we are creating shows that, the system is being let down by one or two players that are clearly not good enough for anything or their heads gone, yes Jones picks them and thats fair comment, now he needs to drop them completely show some bottle and give his system a chance with players that are willing and able to do what he wants.
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Post by christhepotter on Aug 22, 2019 9:05:20 GMT
He’s fucking useless and as got to go , stop making excuses for him , it’s a results game and we aren’t getting them
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Post by potterpaul on Aug 22, 2019 9:06:57 GMT
It's not Jones my arse. Who the fuck is it then? Quote from Jones "Since I've come here there's been a hangover of players wanting to leave, players thinking they are proper players, players wanting to go and play in Europe, players thinking of their international careers," added Jones, who replaced Gary Rowett in January. "There hasn't been a group here together who want to play and focus and win games for Stoke City, that's a problem. I thought we had made big strides in that, but evidently we haven't." I may be mistaken but he got rid of 3 players in the summer (Bojan, Adam and Pieters) who took great pleasure playing and winning games for Stoke City. He's currently got a fair few in his squad who thrive on playing for Stoke City (Collins, Verlinden, Edwards and Campbell) but are used sparingly. If this is his excuse then it's a problem he as partly created himself.
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Post by thehoof on Aug 22, 2019 9:10:26 GMT
I remember us taking a pasting (6-0) at Forest under Pulis and losing 4-2 at Walsall when we ( the so called hard core) were shouting “you don’t know what you’re doing “ as TP subbed Bjarni- it shows what we knew. The difference was that TP ( and I didn’t like a lot of his football) was pragmatic and took the view that with the players he had and was about to bring in (Crossley and believe it or not Lee Mills) our best chance of survival was to grind out 1 -0 wins and 0-0 draws. He had a system and the players played to it religiously- Jones has decided on a system that players he has recruited, either can’t or won’t play to. If he can’t change them ( and he is losing goodwill rapidly), he has to adopt a system that they can play to and be comfortable with.
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Post by meltonjohn on Aug 22, 2019 9:13:44 GMT
It's not Jones my arse. Who the fuck is it then? Well Butland for starters.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2019 9:20:48 GMT
He’s literally made us worse. He’s not playing most of the players he’s sign. Why is that? Because they aren’t any better than what we had. I don’t understand how anyone can possibly justify him in the slightest at the moment. And I’m not having it that all our players are bad eggs. Allen and Butland have been having a mare but he’s hanging the rest out to dry in a system they can’t play and never will be able to play. He’s taken one of the best defences in the league and tore it to shred. Why? For a ducking diamond. Allen and Butland are the main reason we're not getting the results, you can't just dismiss that as yeh but, Allen does his job as he should then they don't even get a chance of a shot, and Butland makes some saves a 10yr old could make and we aren't on the back foot early in every game. We've looked our best going forward, apart from last night, very few if any played well but the amount of chances we are creating shows that, the system is being let down by one or two players that are clearly not good enough for anything or their heads gone, yes Jones picks them and thats fair comment, now he needs to drop them completely show some bottle and give his system a chance with players that are willing and able to do what he wants. Which players are able to play that system? More specifically which out of Clucas, Woods, Allen and Etebo are disclpined enough to play? Midfield can't do it. McClean isn't too bad at left back but with no DM and repeatedly trying and failing to play Ince at No.10, how do you assemble a team well enough from what he have to play that? Even if we did go up, do you think it's going to work having that system? With poorer players than most other teams. He can't adapt. He's not pragmatic. This is all pie in the sky. That's the issue I have with him. He he stays he needs to adapt. He needs to take some responsibility. He takes credit when we put in a good performance. Saturday was all "me, me, me" and now it's everyone else's fault.
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Post by deadwait on Aug 22, 2019 9:22:19 GMT
Strikes me as being too stubborn to change the system. I would give him 3 games Leeds twice and Birmingham. No improvement and for me he has to go.
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Post by talentspotter on Aug 22, 2019 9:26:45 GMT
Once you lose a dressing room, it’s impossible to get it back! The players are looking round at each other and don’t seem to know what he is asking of them. The games towards the end of last season are behind him and he asked to be judged following the transfer window. We are bottom of the league and he has created a moral amongst the players which shows no fight. His substitutions so far have bewildered many and he is relying on his formation at any cost. This is clearly a very difficult league, especially away from home, but he has not addressed the defensive issues that arise when we don’t have the ball, either positionally or with ability. He seems reluctant to drop players who are under performing and he has started to shift the blame onto individual players. Confidence will drop and the slump will undoubtedly continue. No one outside of Luton had heard of Nathan Jones before he came to Stoke. He does not appear to be a man who commands a dressing room, but he is a nice bloke who wants to do well. Compassion is all well and good, but it does not win football matches. Peter Coates must be thinking of a change this morning, given our position and performances. He is generally a wise man, and can see that it is not working out well. John Coates (if he has some responsibility for the appointment) should also see that. If it is clear that Nathan Jones does not have the command of his dressing room, or the players are finding difficulty with his philosophy, he should go. Tony Pulis is not the answer, he had his time and did a great job, but the club needs the stability of a strong manager who can get the best out of players who have performed well for other clubs at this level.
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Post by silverdollar on Aug 22, 2019 9:27:29 GMT
Before last night I had every confidence that we were moving forward. The fact that we were conceding goals was my only concern. A manager cannot be held responsible for the performance of Butland other than if he doesn't drop him. Then one of the darlings on this site, Etebo, plays a dreadful pass. I am a little concerned about the quality of our centre backs on last nights performance but it is our goals conceded that is killing us. Jones has got a real conundrum to sort out before the game on Saturday. Leeds are not going to sit back! The atmosphere around the squad must be so bad at the moment and our fans moaning and booing is crap! I have looked at the next six fixtures and that does not raise my spirits either. It is a very depressing time at the moment but not for one moment have I thought that Nathan Jones should go!
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Post by silverdollar on Aug 22, 2019 9:30:02 GMT
Once you lose a dressing room, it’s impossible to get it back! The players are looking round at each other and don’t seem to know what he is asking of them. The games towards the end of last season are behind him and he asked to be judged following the transfer window. We are bottom of the league and he has created a moral amongst the players which shows no fight. His substitutions so far have bewildered many and he is relying on his formation at any cost. This is clearly a very difficult league, especially away from home, but he has not addressed the defensive issues that arise when we don’t have the ball, either positionally or with ability. He seems reluctant to drop players who are under performing and he has started to shift the blame onto individual players. Confidence will drop and the slump will undoubtedly continue. No one outside of Luton had heard of Nathan Jones before he came to Stoke. He does not appear to be a man who commands a dressing room, but he is a nice bloke who wants to do well. Compassion is all well and good, but it does not win football matches. Peter Coates must be thinking of a change this morning, given our position and performances. He is generally a wise man, and can see that it is not working out well. John Coates (if he has some responsibility for the appointment) should also see that. If it is clear that Nathan Jones does not have the command of his dressing room, or the players are finding difficulty with his philosophy, he should go. Tony Pulis is not the answer, he had his time and did a great job, but the club needs the stability of a strong manager who can get the best out of players who have performed well for other clubs at this level. Are you privy to the dressing room? I think you are guessing! Don't substantiate your silly arguments with lies!
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 22, 2019 9:50:52 GMT
Before last night I had every confidence that we were moving forward. The fact that we were conceding goals was my only concern. A manager cannot be held responsible for the performance of Butland other than if he doesn't drop him. Then one of the darlings on this site, Etebo, plays a dreadful pass. I am a little concerned about the quality of our centre backs on last nights performance but it is our goals conceded that is killing us. Jones has got a real conundrum to sort out before the game on Saturday. Leeds are not going to sit back! The atmosphere around the squad must be so bad at the moment and our fans moaning and booing is crap! I have looked at the next six fixtures and that does not raise my spirits either. It is a very depressing time at the moment but not for one moment have I thought that Nathan Jones should go! That's just about the only mistake Etebo has made since he's been here. Plenty of others, have made far far more in just last night's game alone.
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Post by roylandstoke on Aug 22, 2019 9:54:27 GMT
Jones has had huge backing over two transfer windows. He has had well over six months to work with the squad. He brought in players he wants, allowed others to leave ( including our only LB who is now starting in a strong Premier League defence) and has made it clear that he will not work with several other highly paid, experienced players. The team is being asked to follow Jones' tactics. Jones has ample time and resources to research the strengths and weaknesses of the teams we are facing. We almost certainly have the biggest squad in our league and the biggest wage bill.
Our results and performances have been shite. I honestly think my 11 year old niece could have achieved results to match those we have achieved since the New Year. We all want Jones to succeed; he seems to be a genuine guy, however to claim as the OP does that , "Is not Jones!" is stretching things.
The results do not reflect the resources he has been given. It is the job of the manager to maximise his resources. He has not done that and for that he is solely to blame.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 22, 2019 9:55:45 GMT
He’s bought 11 players. 11! None of whom are any better than what we had. And then he’s playing them in a system they aren’t suited to. Not all systems suit all players! The new players have had 4 games... Wake up FFS. He has had a full pre season FFS wake up.
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Post by talentspotter on Aug 22, 2019 9:57:25 GMT
Don’t need to be privy to the dressing room. The results and performances qualify the statement. We are all hoping he turns it round, but the signs are that he has failed to put together a group of capable and motivated players to start the season, after asking to be judged on that very thing. That follows an awful end to last season with many of the same players.
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Post by dutchstokie on Aug 22, 2019 9:57:31 GMT
Listen,can we just get behind the bloke... If pro footballers cant adapt to a system or shape then thats on THEM. 4 Managers now these shithouse players have got the sack and still its not them its the gaffer!! We need to stick with and support jones... Fuck these charalatan chancers,make it known we are with the manager. They will have nowhwere to hide then,we cannot keep sacking managers because of toss players who dont want to be here!! Keep the faith,rant over. Bravo sir ! Some thick fucks on here seem to forget the players are proffesionals..... PROFESSIONALS AND NOT AMATEURS. Some of the Sunday league shit weve watched over the last few seasons is boardering on dereliction of duty. Theres a Common denominator here through all the tenures of the previous managers..... I’ll leave it to our right honorabele thick fucks to work out who or what that denominator is.
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Post by sheds1862 on Aug 22, 2019 9:58:27 GMT
Listen,can we just get behind the bloke... If pro footballers cant adapt to a system or shape then thats on THEM. 4 Managers now these shithouse players have got the sack and still its not them its the gaffer!! We need to stick with and support jones... Fuck these charalatan chancers,make it known we are with the manager. They will have nowhwere to hide then,we cannot keep sacking managers because of toss players who dont want to be here!! Keep the faith,rant over. Systems don't win football matches. Players do. And this is by his own words HIS team and he asked us to judge him then.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 22, 2019 9:58:48 GMT
Listen,can we just get behind the bloke... If pro footballers cant adapt to a system or shape then thats on THEM. 4 Managers now these shithouse players have got the sack and still its not them its the gaffer!! We need to stick with and support jones... Fuck these charalatan chancers,make it known we are with the manager. They will have nowhwere to hide then,we cannot keep sacking managers because of toss players who dont want to be here!! Keep the faith,rant over. The players are taking the piss I agree, especially Joe Allen. Butland is having a stinker but he will now be judged on how he handles this situation. Id drop Allen and sell him for as cheap as possible at the next opportunity. So why does Jones insist on playing Allen ?
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Post by callas12 on Aug 22, 2019 9:59:55 GMT
For those saying Jones is not to blame for our current predicament and maybe still in some kind of transition stage, look how quickly Dean Smith went in to Aston Villa last season and turned they're failing squad under Steve Bruce into promotion contenders and he ultimately led them up to the Premier League.
A year ago Villa were skint, looking at selling off their best assets and were really struggling for form and as a club they were on their knees. Smith came in and immediately set about changing the club dynamics. He had one winter transfer window, made a few crucial additions & changed their style & despite a couple of poor spells he managed to galvanise them & in a little over 6 months totally changed they're fortunes around.
Jones has had almost half a season, some of last winters transfer window and a whole summer aswell as a summer transfer window to operate in & yet it seems 8x months on he cant integrate his formation, tactics & style successfully and confidence is draining badly all over the pitch. I so hoped Jones would succeed but things are getting far worse not better, how much worse do we let things get? As others have said, I'd probably give him the 2x Leeds games and Blues away and if things havent changed then, I doubt they ever will.
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Post by LankyPotter on Aug 22, 2019 10:01:26 GMT
The players are taking the piss I agree, especially Joe Allen. Butland is having a stinker but he will now be judged on how he handles this situation. Id drop Allen and sell him for as cheap as possible at the next opportunity. So why does Jones insist on playing Allen ? I honestly couldn’t tell you, but its the wrong decision. That doesn’t mean that i want him out, not yet.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 22, 2019 10:04:50 GMT
Before last night I had every confidence that we were moving forward. The fact that we were conceding goals was my only concern. A manager cannot be held responsible for the performance of Butland other than if he doesn't drop him. Then one of the darlings on this site, Etebo, plays a dreadful pass. I am a little concerned about the quality of our centre backs on last nights performance but it is our goals conceded that is killing us. Jones has got a real conundrum to sort out before the game on Saturday. Leeds are not going to sit back! The atmosphere around the squad must be so bad at the moment and our fans moaning and booing is crap! I have looked at the next six fixtures and that does not raise my spirits either. It is a very depressing time at the moment but not for one moment have I thought that Nathan Jones should go! You virtually word for word defended Hughes until the bitter end, results and performances say different Jones is struggling big time, the players he has brought here are poor players who don't fit his system, who do you apportion blame to for the shit we are playing if not the manager ?
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Post by rawli on Aug 22, 2019 10:06:14 GMT
The players are taking the piss I agree, especially Joe Allen. Butland is having a stinker but he will now be judged on how he handles this situation. Id drop Allen and sell him for as cheap as possible at the next opportunity. So why does Jones insist on playing Allen ? I think he's been intimidated by Joe and Jack's international status and influence on the dressing room. He's seen them as undroppable based on reputation and not performance.
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Post by miffmister on Aug 22, 2019 10:07:02 GMT
Jones inherited a pile of shit. It takes time to get rid of players that wont fight for the shirt. He has got rid of the players that were negative. It must be frustrating to manage. However Butland has cost us 5 goals in 4 games. Managers get paid to sort problems out. He needs to rest butland and Allen. Despite 1 point I honestly believe Jones will sort it. He has to make those tough decisions. If he doesn't then he will lose the support of the crowd a la Rowet. If that happens he is doomed I tell ya doomed.
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Post by strangerthingshappen on Aug 22, 2019 10:10:05 GMT
ITS NOT JONES!!!! ,,,,, Well i'm afraid it was Jones who said judge me now, The same Jones that that apparently has his 2 in every position, And the same man that absolutley will not budge from a failed diamond formation that doesn't suit the players that HE brought in,,, Throw into that hes now lost the plot making such statements like "" we camped in their half for 8 minutes" on the biggest sports TV network around as well as publicly shaming players. His Heads Completley Gone...........
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