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Post by mrcoke on Aug 23, 2019 15:13:52 GMT
I have trawled through 9 pages of this thread and despair at some comments by Stoke supporters. Firstly look at our situation and what has happened in the last 3 seasons, does anyone with an ounce of common sense think a Premiere league level candidate is going to jump into managing Stoke? Secondly do we really want a dinosaur for a manager, who career is history? Do we want a manager who is duplicitous, or a head butter? As Mark Hughes said "who else is going to do it?" ... We still have players stealing a living on Stoke City: sportwitness.co.uk/club-made-offer-stoke-city-player-waiting-improved-offer-wants-money/Can anyone really expect any manager to succeed with the current hangovers still from our PL days? Hughes failed, Lambert failed, Rowett failed. They had their chances and they blew it. Jones is getting his chance. the previous managers failed to get results and the performances were dire. Jones record last season does not matter now; he was trying various things that did not work and decided he needed to replace virtually the whole squad. He has brought in 10 players, so it is a new squad. Jones needs time to get his system to work. Unlike Rowett he has a record of success, albeit at a lower level. He should be given more time and he should be given more help by getting the dead-legs out of the club. They may not be playing but there is still the "elephants in the room". Even if some are only present on paper, they are still listed as SCFC players. We have played just 4 matches in the league and in 2 of them we were the "better side", but the wrong end of the score sheet. Jones has got the team playing better at times than at any time for 2 years, the results will come. Our lack of points is totally down to errors in defending and shooting in two of those matches, not systems, lack of effort, a man learning a new position at LB, or substitutes (except pulling off Woods, which Jones admits was a mistake). People cry out for Etebo, he comes on, and gives the ball to the opponents to score; is that another Jones error? There is no point in ditching Jones yet, he needs to be given more time to turn performance into results. There is little chance of that happening with another manager, who will very likely turn round and say these are Jones' and other managers' players I want to bring in my own.
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Post by greebo on Aug 23, 2019 15:39:51 GMT
I agree it’s too early to change the manager, but I have serious doubts over his ability to do it at this level. Other clubs know what to expect from a Jones side now, and Championship sides have the depth of squad to be able to deal with it. Players generally seem to be up for it this season, but Way we have left ourselves exposed at times has been amateurish. If the manager doesn’t get smarter with his tactics and team selection we will continue to be there for the taking. At times you get the impression that the only thing Jones is concerned about is to play his system as well as Luton did, then everything will come good. Sadly we are playing against a higher level of opposition, and tactics need to be varied and refined to deal with the opponent in front of you
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Post by Onneravineet on Aug 23, 2019 15:48:07 GMT
We’ll come good. Shocking mistakes created an un-winnable situation the other night. Panic, low confidence and some sub standard effort contributed to the result.
Leeds to come is the last game we need next. With the crowd behind the team, from the off, however will galvanise us and I am sure we can get a result.
Stick with Jones, I haven’t got the stomach for TP3 or the PulisLite version that would undoubtedly follow. Jones offers us the only real opportunity there is to establish an identity different from our stereotyped, cliche laden football that springs to mind when Stoke is mentioned.
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Post by serpico on Aug 23, 2019 15:58:41 GMT
I have trawled through 9 pages of this thread and despair at some comments by Stoke supporters. Firstly look at our situation and what has happened in the last 3 seasons, does anyone with an ounce of common sense think a Premiere league level candidate is going to jump into managing Stoke? Secondly do we really want a dinosaur for a manager, who career is history? Do we want a manager who is duplicitous, or a head butter? As Mark Hughes said "who else is going to do it?" ... We still have players stealing a living on Stoke City: sportwitness.co.uk/club-made-offer-stoke-city-player-waiting-improved-offer-wants-money/Can anyone really expect any manager to succeed with the current hangovers still from our PL days? Hughes failed, Lambert failed, Rowett failed. They had their chances and they blew it. Jones is getting his chance. the previous managers failed to get results and the performances were dire. Jones record last season does not matter now; he was trying various things that did not work and decided he needed to replace virtually the whole squad. He has brought in 10 players, so it is a new squad. Jones needs time to get his system to work. Unlike Rowett he has a record of success, albeit at a lower level. He should be given more time and he should be given more help by getting the dead-legs out of the club. They may not be playing but there is still the "elephants in the room". Even if some are only present on paper, they are still listed as SCFC players. We have played just 4 matches in the league and in 2 of them we were the "better side", but the wrong end of the score sheet. Jones has got the team playing better at times than at any time for 2 years, the results will come. Our lack of points is totally down to errors in defending and shooting in two of those matches, not systems, lack of effort, a man learning a new position at LB, or substitutes (except pulling off Woods, which Jones admits was a mistake). People cry out for Etebo, he comes on, and gives the ball to the opponents to score; is that another Jones error? There is no point in ditching Jones yet, he needs to be given more time to turn performance into results. There is little chance of that happening with another manager, who will very likely turn round and say these are Jones' and other managers' players I want to bring in my own. Agree with a lot of this but if the trend of conceding 2 and 3 goals per game continues over the next 2-3 games then he’s a gonner and nobody could complain. I think jones is perhaps trying to run before he can walk, the first thing a good manager will do is tighten the defence, if you’re not conceding you will always give yourself a chance of winning games, at the minute we would have to score 3 or 4 to win a game! That can’t go on.
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Post by SCFC92 on Aug 23, 2019 16:32:53 GMT
Take a break for a bit mate, luckily our board wouldn't be so stupid as to bring Pulis back. The stupidity was sacking TP. in the first place. We were 8th on Boxing Day after hammering Liverpool. Wasn’t that when the ‘process’ began to bite until TP miraculously pulled things round over the last few games. This was compounded by the stupidity of us not ensuring our Prem safety by appointing TP when Hughes was sacked. And now we are facing the biggest crisis since the Quitter left. On that occasion TP was the answer and he remains the answer now. Get rid of the ‘process’ and bring back TP. He is the best in the world at rescuing English football clubs in dire straits. Divide the fanbase, archaic tactics which don't work anymore, and go ask Mboro fans their opinion of him. Sacking Pulis had to happen, and the following years saw us play some of the best football ever seen at stoke consecutively finishing higher than we ever have. Pulis was holding us back! He is a legend always will be, but he is consigned to the history books and that is how it should stay. Get The Fuck Over Him It's like having a grandad sat in the corner constantly muttering about how things were "better in his day" its embarrassing and fucking weird.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 16:41:37 GMT
The stupidity was sacking TP. in the first place. We were 8th on Boxing Day after hammering Liverpool. Wasn’t that when the ‘process’ began to bite until TP miraculously pulled things round over the last few games. This was compounded by the stupidity of us not ensuring our Prem safety by appointing TP when Hughes was sacked. And now we are facing the biggest crisis since the Quitter left. On that occasion TP was the answer and he remains the answer now. Get rid of the ‘process’ and bring back TP. He is the best in the world at rescuing English football clubs in dire straits. Divide the fanbase, archaic tactics which don't work anymore, and go ask Mboro fans their opinion of him. Sacking Pulis had to happen, and the following years saw us play some of the best football ever seen at stoke consecutively finishing higher than we ever have. Pulis was holding us back! He is a legend always will be, but he is consigned to the history books and that is how it should stay. Get The Fuck Over Him It's like having a grandad sat in the corner constantly muttering about how things were "better in his day" its embarrassing and fucking weird. Go ask the Boro fans again if they lose again this weekend. The grass ain’t always greener.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 23, 2019 16:45:05 GMT
Divide the fanbase, archaic tactics which don't work anymore, and go ask Mboro fans their opinion of him. Sacking Pulis had to happen, and the following years saw us play some of the best football ever seen at stoke consecutively finishing higher than we ever have. Pulis was holding us back! He is a legend always will be, but he is consigned to the history books and that is how it should stay. Get The Fuck Over Him It's like having a grandad sat in the corner constantly muttering about how things were "better in his day" its embarrassing and fucking weird. Go ask the Boro fans again if they lose again this weekend. The grass ain’t always greener. Get the impression the Boro fans are delighted to a man, woman and child he’s not their manager anymore and recognise the Woodgate thing is a project. On some level, people do tend to want to watch some actual football.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 16:47:57 GMT
Go ask the Boro fans again if they lose again this weekend. The grass ain’t always greener. Get the impression the Boro fans are delighted to a man, woman and child he’s not their manager anymore and recognise the Woodgate thing is a project. On some level, people do tend to want to watch some actual football. And if they start spiralling down do you think they’ll change that? We did he same with the Jones “project”. 8 months later a lot of people are already wavering. It’s all lovely until your sat rock bottom of the table and only looking like you’re going one way.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 23, 2019 16:50:45 GMT
Get the impression the Boro fans are delighted to a man, woman and child he’s not their manager anymore and recognise the Woodgate thing is a project. On some level, people do tend to want to watch some actual football. And if they start spiralling down do you think they’ll change that? We did he same with the Jones “project”. 8 months later a lot of people are already wavering. It’s all lovely until your sat rock bottom of the table and only looking like you’re going one way. I don’t think they’ll be pining for the days of Pulis back, no. They’ll think their gamble hasn’t paid off and wish they’d made a better appointment, presumably.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 16:52:23 GMT
And if they start spiralling down do you think they’ll change that? We did he same with the Jones “project”. 8 months later a lot of people are already wavering. It’s all lovely until your sat rock bottom of the table and only looking like you’re going one way. I don’t think they’ll be pining for the days of Pulis back, no. They’ll think their gamble hasn’t paid off and wish they’d made a better appointment, presumably. True but they may start to appreciate the things he did do
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Post by strangerthingshappen on Aug 23, 2019 16:54:10 GMT
And if they start spiralling down do you think they’ll change that? We did he same with the Jones “project”. 8 months later a lot of people are already wavering. It’s all lovely until your sat rock bottom of the table and only looking like you’re going one way. I don’t think they’ll be pining for the days of Pulis back, no. They’ll think their gamble hasn’t paid off and wish they’d made a better appointment, presumably. Yeah sure they will for the 4th consecutive time.... Wakey wakey is anyone there .... Those bloody blinkers again.....
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 23, 2019 16:56:38 GMT
I don’t think they’ll be pining for the days of Pulis back, no. They’ll think their gamble hasn’t paid off and wish they’d made a better appointment, presumably. Yeah sure they will for the 4th consecutive time.... Wakey wakey is anyone there .... Those bloody blinkers again..... Sure they will what?
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Post by elystokie on Aug 23, 2019 17:00:48 GMT
The stupidity was sacking TP. in the first place. We were 8th on Boxing Day after hammering Liverpool. Wasn’t that when the ‘process’ began to bite until TP miraculously pulled things round over the last few games. This was compounded by the stupidity of us not ensuring our Prem safety by appointing TP when Hughes was sacked. And now we are facing the biggest crisis since the Quitter left. On that occasion TP was the answer and he remains the answer now. Get rid of the ‘process’ and bring back TP. He is the best in the world at rescuing English football clubs in dire straits. Will you stop peddling this outright false nonsense, it was passè five years ago. Is passè French for complete and utter bollocks?
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 23, 2019 17:01:47 GMT
I have trawled through 9 pages of this thread and despair at some comments by Stoke supporters. Firstly look at our situation and what has happened in the last 3 seasons, does anyone with an ounce of common sense think a Premiere league level candidate is going to jump into managing Stoke? Secondly do we really want a dinosaur for a manager, who career is history? Do we want a manager who is duplicitous, or a head butter? As Mark Hughes said "who else is going to do it?" ... We still have players stealing a living on Stoke City: sportwitness.co.uk/club-made-offer-stoke-city-player-waiting-improved-offer-wants-money/Can anyone really expect any manager to succeed with the current hangovers still from our PL days? Hughes failed, Lambert failed, Rowett failed. They had their chances and they blew it. Jones is getting his chance. the previous managers failed to get results and the performances were dire. Jones record last season does not matter now; he was trying various things that did not work and decided he needed to replace virtually the whole squad. He has brought in 10 players, so it is a new squad. Jones needs time to get his system to work. Unlike Rowett he has a record of success, albeit at a lower level. He should be given more time and he should be given more help by getting the dead-legs out of the club. They may not be playing but there is still the "elephants in the room". Even if some are only present on paper, they are still listed as SCFC players. We have played just 4 matches in the league and in 2 of them we were the "better side", but the wrong end of the score sheet. Jones has got the team playing better at times than at any time for 2 years, the results will come. Our lack of points is totally down to errors in defending and shooting in two of those matches, not systems, lack of effort, a man learning a new position at LB, or substitutes (except pulling off Woods, which Jones admits was a mistake). People cry out for Etebo, he comes on, and gives the ball to the opponents to score; is that another Jones error? There is no point in ditching Jones yet, he needs to be given more time to turn performance into results. There is little chance of that happening with another manager, who will very likely turn round and say these are Jones' and other managers' players I want to bring in my own. I like a lot of what you've said but there are two things I object to: 1. You say the system is not at fault but it plainly is. It is a system reliant on a physical brute of a defensive midfielder plugging those gaps in front of the back four. He didnt buy one in the summer so why is he persevering with it? It is also heavily reliant on specialist attacking full backs. Mcclean is making an admirable effort, but he isn't a specialist attacking left back 2. The role of stoke manager is still amazingly attractive. An incoming manager will have nowhere to go but upwards as we slosh around the bottom being embarrassed by teams with a tenth of our budget. He will have more resources than all but one or two teams in the league. If he puts a few results together his reputation is instantly enhanced.
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 23, 2019 17:03:53 GMT
I have trawled through 9 pages of this thread and despair at some comments by Stoke supporters. Firstly look at our situation and what has happened in the last 3 seasons, does anyone with an ounce of common sense think a Premiere league level candidate is going to jump into managing Stoke? Secondly do we really want a dinosaur for a manager, who career is history? Do we want a manager who is duplicitous, or a head butter? As Mark Hughes said "who else is going to do it?" ... We still have players stealing a living on Stoke City: sportwitness.co.uk/club-made-offer-stoke-city-player-waiting-improved-offer-wants-money/Can anyone really expect any manager to succeed with the current hangovers still from our PL days? Hughes failed, Lambert failed, Rowett failed. They had their chances and they blew it. Jones is getting his chance. the previous managers failed to get results and the performances were dire. Jones record last season does not matter now; he was trying various things that did not work and decided he needed to replace virtually the whole squad. He has brought in 10 players, so it is a new squad. Jones needs time to get his system to work. Unlike Rowett he has a record of success, albeit at a lower level. He should be given more time and he should be given more help by getting the dead-legs out of the club. They may not be playing but there is still the "elephants in the room". Even if some are only present on paper, they are still listed as SCFC players. We have played just 4 matches in the league and in 2 of them we were the "better side", but the wrong end of the score sheet. Jones has got the team playing better at times than at any time for 2 years, the results will come. Our lack of points is totally down to errors in defending and shooting in two of those matches, not systems, lack of effort, a man learning a new position at LB, or substitutes (except pulling off Woods, which Jones admits was a mistake). People cry out for Etebo, he comes on, and gives the ball to the opponents to score; is that another Jones error? There is no point in ditching Jones yet, he needs to be given more time to turn performance into results. There is little chance of that happening with another manager, who will very likely turn round and say these are Jones' and other managers' players I want to bring in my own. Agree with a lot of this but if the trend of conceding 2 and 3 goals per game continues over the next 2-3 games then he’s a gonner and nobody could complain. I think jones is perhaps trying to run before he can walk, the first thing a good manager will do is tighten the defence, if you’re not conceding you will always give yourself a chance of winning games, at the minute we would have to score 3 or 4 to win a game! That can’t go on. I think it is very unlikely we will get much change out of the 3 matches in the next 9 days. I'd give another month at least. If we are still bottom after 10 then curtains please.
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Post by serpico on Aug 23, 2019 17:04:28 GMT
I honestly don’t know what to think, I was a skeptic when he took over due to his inexperience but I’m reticent to call for his head Just yet because if he gets it right I reckon he could bring us some truely exciting football, but we simply can’t go on conceding at this rate for much longer.
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Post by chigstoke on Aug 23, 2019 17:09:12 GMT
Take a break for a bit mate, luckily our board wouldn't be so stupid as to bring Pulis back. The stupidity was sacking TP. in the first place. We were 8th on Boxing Day after hammering Liverpool. Wasn’t that when the ‘process’ began to bite until TP miraculously pulled things round over the last few games. This was compounded by the stupidity of us not ensuring our Prem safety by appointing TP when Hughes was sacked. And now we are facing the biggest crisis since the Quitter left. On that occasion TP was the answer and he remains the answer now. Get rid of the ‘process’ and bring back TP. He is the best in the world at rescuing English football clubs in dire straits. You don't half talk a lot of shit do you? He purposely destroyed the system that worked against Liverpool and West Ham. He didn't get what he wanted and he threw his toys out of the pram. We were damn near lucky to have stayed up that season. TP is not the answer. Get it into your head for just once in your life.
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Post by strangerthingshappen on Aug 23, 2019 17:13:09 GMT
Yeah sure they will for the 4th consecutive time.... Wakey wakey is anyone there .... Those bloody blinkers again..... Sure they will what? I must be talking foreign today or maybe its just u ?
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 23, 2019 17:14:48 GMT
I must be talking foreign today or maybe its just u ? Must be me. You’re going to have to spell it out, I’m hard of thinking.
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Post by strangerthingshappen on Aug 23, 2019 17:17:11 GMT
I must be talking foreign today or maybe its just u ? Must be me. You’re going to have to spell it out, I’m hard of thinking. ![:-X](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/84w9NwSsj6YY9VWeECaY.gif) .....
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Post by philm87 on Aug 23, 2019 17:17:46 GMT
I don't agree with March but he does at least as much sense as most people on here.
It is simply undeniable that TP is the master at turning round the fortunes of struggling sides. Middlesborough is the exception to that.
Any sensible fan would happily trade grinding out 1-0 wins every week over what we have had for the past 3 years or so.
And yes of course, TP had to go in the end, it was the right decision and he did almost send us down in his final season ... but he left an excellent foundation for his predecessor to build on. In contrast, despite taking us that that famed 'next level' Hughes has left a toxic legacy that will take forever to address.
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Post by Davef on Aug 23, 2019 17:18:10 GMT
The stupidity was sacking TP. in the first place. We were 8th on Boxing Day after hammering Liverpool. Wasn’t that when the ‘process’ began to bite until TP miraculously pulled things round over the last few games. This was compounded by the stupidity of us not ensuring our Prem safety by appointing TP when Hughes was sacked. And now we are facing the biggest crisis since the Quitter left. On that occasion TP was the answer and he remains the answer now. Get rid of the ‘process’ and bring back TP. He is the best in the world at rescuing English football clubs in dire straits. Divide the fanbase, archaic tactics which don't work anymore, and go ask Mboro fans their opinion of him. Sacking Pulis had to happen, and the following years saw us play some of the best football ever seen at stoke consecutively finishing higher than we ever have. Pulis was holding us back! He is a legend always will be, but he is consigned to the history books and that is how it should stay. Get The Fuck Over Him It's like having a grandad sat in the corner constantly muttering about how things were "better in his day" its embarrassing and fucking weird. What really bugs March - and as sure as night follows day he'll deny it - is that Mark Hughes proved him totally wrong. He was on his case from day one - remember him whining about the defeat at Anfield where we'd have claimed a deserved draw had Jonny Walters not missed a penalty. Hughes was a good manager for Stoke and the history books will show that he is the only manager in our entire history who led us to three successive top ten finishes in the top division, breaking 50 points on each occasion. He was a lick of paint away from a cup final, nearly turning round a deficit away at Liverpool and his teams played some of the best football most of us can remember. His worse performance over 38 games in the Premier League was 44 points, just one less than Pulis's. He led us to memorable victories over Manchester United and Chelsea for the first time in the Premier League as well as getting results away at Old Trafford, Stamford Bridge and the Etihad. Of course it went tits up for him and he brought some really bad players, but again, the history books will show that he didn't relegate us, just like Pulis didn't relegate West Brom. In fact, with the benefit of hindsight you could argue that we would've won the four points we needed to stay up in 2018 had Hughes stayed. He also, let's not forget, saved Southampton from relegation in 2018 having taken them over in mid-March and with only 8 games to play. A "miracle" you could say. Like you say, both managers should hold some respect for what they achieved at Stoke and neither should be exempt from scrutiny and criticism, but they both should be consigned to the history books.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 17:20:56 GMT
I must be talking foreign today or maybe its just u ? Must be me. You’re going to have to spell it out, I’m hard of thinking. I think he thought you were talking about Stoke fans not Boro fans and completely missed the point so was saying of course Stoke fans would have him back...
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 23, 2019 17:21:46 GMT
I have trawled through 9 pages of this thread and despair at some comments by Stoke supporters. Firstly look at our situation and what has happened in the last 3 seasons, does anyone with an ounce of common sense think a Premiere league level candidate is going to jump into managing Stoke? Secondly do we really want a dinosaur for a manager, who career is history? Do we want a manager who is duplicitous, or a head butter? As Mark Hughes said "who else is going to do it?" ... We still have players stealing a living on Stoke City: sportwitness.co.uk/club-made-offer-stoke-city-player-waiting-improved-offer-wants-money/Can anyone really expect any manager to succeed with the current hangovers still from our PL days? Hughes failed, Lambert failed, Rowett failed. They had their chances and they blew it. Jones is getting his chance. the previous managers failed to get results and the performances were dire. Jones record last season does not matter now; he was trying various things that did not work and decided he needed to replace virtually the whole squad. He has brought in 10 players, so it is a new squad. Jones needs time to get his system to work. Unlike Rowett he has a record of success, albeit at a lower level. He should be given more time and he should be given more help by getting the dead-legs out of the club. They may not be playing but there is still the "elephants in the room". Even if some are only present on paper, they are still listed as SCFC players. We have played just 4 matches in the league and in 2 of them we were the "better side", but the wrong end of the score sheet. Jones has got the team playing better at times than at any time for 2 years, the results will come. Our lack of points is totally down to errors in defending and shooting in two of those matches, not systems, lack of effort, a man learning a new position at LB, or substitutes (except pulling off Woods, which Jones admits was a mistake). People cry out for Etebo, he comes on, and gives the ball to the opponents to score; is that another Jones error? There is no point in ditching Jones yet, he needs to be given more time to turn performance into results. There is little chance of that happening with another manager, who will very likely turn round and say these are Jones' and other managers' players I want to bring in my own. I like a lot of what you've said but there are two things I object to: 1. You say the system is not at fault but it plainly is. It is a system reliant on a physical brute of a defensive midfielder plugging those gaps in front of the back four. He didnt buy one in the summer so why is he persevering with it? It is also heavily reliant on specialist attacking full backs. Mcclean is making an admirable effort, but he isn't a specialist attacking left back 2. The role of stoke manager is still amazingly attractive. An incoming manager will have nowhere to go but upwards as we slosh around the bottom being embarrassed by teams with a tenth of our budget. He will have more resources than all but one or two teams in the league. If he puts a few results together his reputation is instantly enhanced. Fair comments, but Jones has changed system to 3 CBs at times, and I don't know who the physical brute would be? Collins?!!! McClean will improve as he learns to defend and has not been our problem, which has been more due to errors by others rather than the lack of a proficient DMF. I think we have embarrassed ourselves by giving goals away rather than being embarrassed by being outplayed. There is a huge "if" in your last sentence.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Aug 23, 2019 17:23:55 GMT
I don’t think they’ll be pining for the days of Pulis back, no. They’ll think their gamble hasn’t paid off and wish they’d made a better appointment, presumably. True but they may start to appreciate the things he did do They’ll probably wish they could defend better than they are doing and be good at set pieces. But that’s a long way from wanting him back or regretting getting rid.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 23, 2019 17:25:24 GMT
Divide the fanbase, archaic tactics which don't work anymore, and go ask Mboro fans their opinion of him. Sacking Pulis had to happen, and the following years saw us play some of the best football ever seen at stoke consecutively finishing higher than we ever have. Pulis was holding us back! He is a legend always will be, but he is consigned to the history books and that is how it should stay. Get The Fuck Over Him It's like having a grandad sat in the corner constantly muttering about how things were "better in his day" its embarrassing and fucking weird. What really bugs March - and as sure as night follows day he'll deny it - is that Mark Hughes proved him totally wrong. He was on his case from day one - remember him whining about the defeat an Anfield where we'd have claimed a deserved draw had Jonny Walters not missed a penalty. Hughes was a good manager for Stoke and the history books will tell that he is the only manager in our entire history who led us to three successive top ten finishes in the top division, breaking 50 points in each occasion. He was a lick of paint away from a cup final, nearly turning round a deficit away at Liverpool and his teams played some of the best football most of us can remember. His worse performance over 38 games in the Premier League was 44 points, just one less that Pulis's. He led us to memorable victories over Manchester United and Chelsea for the first time in the Premier League as well as getting results away at Old Trafford, Stamford Bridge and the Etihad. Of course it went tits up for him and he brought some really bad players, but again, the history books will show that he didn't relegate us, just like Pulis didn't relegate West Brom. In fact, with the benefit of hindsight you could argue that we would've won the four points we needed to stay up in 2018 had Hughes stayed. He also, let's not forget, saved Southampton from relegation in 2018 having taken them over in mid-March and with only 8 games to play. A "miracle" you could say. Like you say, both managers should hold some respect for what they achieved at Stoke and neither should be exempt from scrutiny and criticism, but they both should be consigned to the history books. All fair points Dave but 'going tits up' is a bit of an understatement isn't it? It was those final 12 - 18 months of Hughes's meltdown that started us off the the path of decline and ridicule we are now set on. The very best of managers sure but also the very, very worst in the final analysis.
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Post by stokierich on Aug 23, 2019 17:30:12 GMT
Quique Sánchez Flores available again, was strongly linked before we appointed Rowett.
Most probably beyond our means now.
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Post by brinsleymaclagan on Aug 23, 2019 17:30:31 GMT
I have trawled through 9 pages of this thread and despair at some comments by Stoke supporters. Firstly look at our situation and what has happened in the last 3 seasons, does anyone with an ounce of common sense think a Premiere league level candidate is going to jump into managing Stoke? Secondly do we really want a dinosaur for a manager, who career is history? Do we want a manager who is duplicitous, or a head butter? As Mark Hughes said "who else is going to do it?" ... We still have players stealing a living on Stoke City: sportwitness.co.uk/club-made-offer-stoke-city-player-waiting-improved-offer-wants-money/Can anyone really expect any manager to succeed with the current hangovers still from our PL days? Hughes failed, Lambert failed, Rowett failed. They had their chances and they blew it. Jones is getting his chance. the previous managers failed to get results and the performances were dire. Jones record last season does not matter now; he was trying various things that did not work and decided he needed to replace virtually the whole squad. He has brought in 10 players, so it is a new squad. Jones needs time to get his system to work. Unlike Rowett he has a record of success, albeit at a lower level. He should be given more time and he should be given more help by getting the dead-legs out of the club. They may not be playing but there is still the "elephants in the room". Even if some are only present on paper, they are still listed as SCFC players. We have played just 4 matches in the league and in 2 of them we were the "better side", but the wrong end of the score sheet. Jones has got the team playing better at times than at any time for 2 years, the results will come. Our lack of points is totally down to errors in defending and shooting in two of those matches, not systems, lack of effort, a man learning a new position at LB, or substitutes (except pulling off Woods, which Jones admits was a mistake). People cry out for Etebo, he comes on, and gives the ball to the opponents to score; is that another Jones error? There is no point in ditching Jones yet, he needs to be given more time to turn performance into results. There is little chance of that happening with another manager, who will very likely turn round and say these are Jones' and other managers' players I want to bring in my own. “Hughes failed” ? He took us to three successive top ten finishes in “the world’s toughest league” playing some of the most attractive football ever played by a Stoke team and brought in some players who we never dreamed would be seen in a Stoke shirt! Who could forget the thrilling victories over The Shit, Man City, Chelsea, Tottenham, Arsenal, Everton and the complete demolition of Liverpool? OK, it couldn’t last and in the end it went tits up, but at least we had it for those 3 or 4 years! The selective amnesia of some fans is incredible!
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Post by Davef on Aug 23, 2019 17:33:57 GMT
What really bugs March - and as sure as night follows day he'll deny it - is that Mark Hughes proved him totally wrong. He was on his case from day one - remember him whining about the defeat an Anfield where we'd have claimed a deserved draw had Jonny Walters not missed a penalty. Hughes was a good manager for Stoke and the history books will tell that he is the only manager in our entire history who led us to three successive top ten finishes in the top division, breaking 50 points in each occasion. He was a lick of paint away from a cup final, nearly turning round a deficit away at Liverpool and his teams played some of the best football most of us can remember. His worse performance over 38 games in the Premier League was 44 points, just one less that Pulis's. He led us to memorable victories over Manchester United and Chelsea for the first time in the Premier League as well as getting results away at Old Trafford, Stamford Bridge and the Etihad. Of course it went tits up for him and he brought some really bad players, but again, the history books will show that he didn't relegate us, just like Pulis didn't relegate West Brom. In fact, with the benefit of hindsight you could argue that we would've won the four points we needed to stay up in 2018 had Hughes stayed. He also, let's not forget, saved Southampton from relegation in 2018 having taken them over in mid-March and with only 8 games to play. A "miracle" you could say. Like you say, both managers should hold some respect for what they achieved at Stoke and neither should be exempt from scrutiny and criticism, but they both should be consigned to the history books. All fair points Dave but 'going tits up' is a bit of an understatement isn't it? It was those final 12 - 18 months of Hughes's meltdown that started us off the the path of decline and ridicule we are now set on. The very best of managers sure but also the very, very worst in the final analysis. True, and it should've been nipped in the bud by the board, certainly at the end of 2016/17. They got the timing of the Pulis dismissal spot on, but dithered dreadfully over Hughes.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 23, 2019 17:52:52 GMT
Quique Sánchez Flores available again, was strongly linked before we appointed Rowett. Most probably beyond our means now. Managers like him and Moyes are pie in the sky now. If Jones went tomorrow you'd be looking at the likes of Chris Coleman, Alan Pardew, Garry Monk, Phil Parkinson, Nigel Pearson, Nigel Adkins and as the sexy foreign option, Aitor Karanka.
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