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Post by Deleted on Sept 1, 2019 10:58:04 GMT
Tony Scholes as much of a cretin as he is did not appoint the last 2 managers. That falls on the doorstep of the son and heir of Stoke City. Funny how we started to become shit ever since he took a more active role in running the club. Based on that interview he did, Scholes is essentially there as a yes man.
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Post by scfcwebby on Sept 1, 2019 11:01:27 GMT
His name needs to be sung in the stands. Der der der der Tony Scholes (to the tune of der der der der Ryan Shawcross)
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Post by dreamtheater on Sept 1, 2019 11:01:29 GMT
Tony Scholes is the chief executive -- Again I humbly suggest some of you look up what the job actually entails and what responsibilities it covers 9th in the premier league and 29th richest club on the planet to: Bottom of the Championship, diminishing sponsorship / income ( now some hundreds of millions of pounds), a truly disasterous transfer policy, a complete failure to find competent team management and, a rapidly emptying home stadium as obvious example. ALL on his watch I'm afraid So, there is absolutely NO hiding place And I cant even imagine another walk of life where this would be tolerated and accepted to such an extent. Promotion, 9th and Europa league was all achieved on his watch as well! AHHHH OK THEN - everythings alright then- maybe I should move on -- nothing to see here then ???? cripes a mighty!
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Post by dreamtheater on Sept 1, 2019 11:03:36 GMT
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 1, 2019 11:04:53 GMT
Dave.. would you stick with Jones?.. No mate I wouldn't. I desperately wanted him to succeed but from day 1 his talk hasn't matched his walk. The signings of batth and in particular vokes, saw his actions totally betraying his words. I do still wonder if certain people haven't delivered on their promises for him but even so its him who isnt strong enough to stick to his principles and it was so obvious we needed a real strong leader who had the instant respect and trust of everyone. He has to go but it also seems very doubtful we'll make the new appointment we desperately need. I also find it desperately difficult with regard to the board. They have backed their managers with money and in that sense they are beyond reproach. How do we then square that with how they've presided over our demise. We needed a total clear out on relegation and we didn't get it. We obviously have people clinging to power and ultimately the board have to be culpable for allowing that to happen. What a sad and sorry mess it has become.
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Post by gingerninja on Sept 1, 2019 11:08:30 GMT
Cheers Dave, pretty much sums up where most reasonable Stoke fans are at the moment..What galls me most is his pledge to build a young, athletic and vibrant team. Yesterday's line up was the polar opposite!!. Dave, if he was to go, who would be your choice given our situation?.
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Post by ashleyscfc on Sept 1, 2019 11:12:17 GMT
TS may be very good at counting beans, which i'm led to believe he is.
But at the end of the day, thats what he is. An accountant. He should be a chief financial officer or some equivalent.
He's had an opportunity to develop a premier league club and I can honestly say there are oceans between us and similar sized clubs (Southampton, Wolverhampton, Derby, Burnley, Swansea, Brighton)
Whether its academy, recruitment, matchday experience, revenue, fan engagement. Never mind the first team. We are nowhere near. The club consistently shows a lack of care, understanding or progressive growth. We've built a training ground because we pretty much had to as the previous one didnt exist and was an embarrassment. Not many years later this was found to be inadequately small and had to be expanded. And we are still awaiting the full size indoor pitch as promised on previous plans that I was sure was a requirement of the EPPP?
The ground has had reasonable infrastructure improvements in the pedestrian tunnel, corner expansion, ticket office and shop expansion, concourse TVs and most recently contactless payments. The later two which required successive foot stomping from the fans to even accomplish. (Although does this not fall under Richard Smith?)
The matchday experience has expanded to 'Delilahs is open after the match'. An establishment i'm sure has never been frequented by anyone in a suit on matchday as its woeful. Yes we've had away fans travel, and I hate saying this, the cynic in me thinks it was an attempt to actually get some fans to go as we were so awful away from home and was originally funded by prem money.
Our website has been upgraded twice? in the past 10 years, neither of which have offered anything revolutionary and for the most part information has disappeared from the stoke site. Supporters Council information included. These updates have also never addressed our 20th century ticketing system. And the recent imposition of posting fees and collection fees. Our shop can be described as hit and miss at best and is one of the only shops I know that has regular 'closing days' to sort out stock.
The City 7s scheme was good although that seems to have died a death and when was the last time one of our over paid prima donas actually went to a local school or helped out at Macaris centre? Or are they to precious for that still? Our end of season awards have been a sporadic mess. But the supporters council idea of the training days and academy matches at the ground have proved very successful. The community side of the club is under funded, under utilized and some of the employment practices ive heard of are dubious at best. The media team again do the best with what they have, but other than the program that always seems well put together the output is sporadic, lacking vision and structure (much like the rest of the club) and some of the online interactions with our media team are on outright embarrassment. The lack of guidance shown for our new manager has been appalling and shows exactly why we cant bring new managers through, some of things he has been consistently allowed to say show our press manager not doing his job. At all. It really is amateur hour.
We've had a revolving door of an academy director, with no clear identity. A head of recruitment that was bought in (as rumor has it) as leash for TP, who again had no record of player recruitment in this environment. This would later go on to be proven, a guy who has moved on AFTER the transfer window shut?! We've had a chief scout bought in by a previous manager 3 managers ago. And our current manager has already come out this season and questioned why we have so many leaks from the club and why we are such a basket case basically?
The club has lurched from crisis to crisis and im sure they all have the best of intentions, but until we have people running the club who have a PROVEN track record of success in whatever field that is we will remain in this same predicament. We need proper, proven footballing people involved in the upper echelons of the club. Not just the family and TS. There seems to be no overarching idea of who we are and what we are, no 'club rules', no identity. Just the hope that a new manager will come in and sort it out for them. I've said before that when TP left and definitely when LMH left that we needed someone who could run 'the club'. As it wasnt up to scratch. My pick was David Moyes, i'd still take him now although id be open to someone who could prove a similar role.
The Coates family have spent a fortune on the club, and I for one wouldnt want them to give it up any time soon, but they are being ripped off left right and centre and need to start placing their trust in better people. Look at Norwich and Wolves, that type of root and branch change is what we need. But unless we are going to pay for the best we can get we are going to stay where we are.
Noise from the stands must come next...Unita over to you
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Post by miggoscfc on Sept 1, 2019 11:27:33 GMT
TS may be very good at counting beans, which i'm led to believe he is. But at the end of the day, thats what he is. An accountant. He should be a chief financial officer or some equivalent. He's had an opportunity to develop a premier league club and I can honestly say there are oceans between us and similar sized clubs (Southampton, Wolverhampton, Derby, Burnley, Swansea, Brighton) Whether its academy, recruitment, matchday experience, revenue, fan engagement. Never mind the first team. We are nowhere near. The club consistently shows a lack of care, understanding or progressive growth. We've built a training ground because we pretty much had to as the previous one didnt exist and was an embarrassment. Not many years later this was found to be inadequately small and had to be expanded. And we are still awaiting the full size indoor pitch as promised on previous plans that I was sure was a requirement of the EPPP? The ground has had reasonable infrastructure improvements in the pedestrian tunnel, corner expansion, ticket office and shop expansion, concourse TVs and most recently contactless payments. The later two which required successive foot stomping from the fans to even accomplish. (Although does this not fall under Richard Smith?) The matchday experience has expanded to 'Delilahs is open after the match'. An establishment i'm sure has never been frequented by anyone in a suit on matchday as its woeful. Yes we've had away fans travel, and I hate saying this, the cynic in me thinks it was an attempt to actually get some fans to go as we were so awful away from home and was originally funded by prem money. Our website has been upgraded twice? in the past 10 years, neither of which have offered anything revolutionary and for the most part information has disappeared from the stoke site. Supporters Council information included. These updates have also never addressed our 20th century ticketing system. And the recent imposition of posting fees and collection fees. Our shop can be described as hit and miss at best and is one of the only shops I know that has regular 'closing days' to sort out stock. The City 7s scheme was good although that seems to have died a death and when was the last time one of our over paid prima donas actually went to a local school or helped out at Macaris centre? Or are they to precious for that still? Our end of season awards have been a sporadic mess. But the supporters council idea of the training days and academy matches at the ground have proved very successful. The community side of the club is under funded, under utilized and some of the employment practices ive heard of are dubious at best. The media team again do the best with what they have, but other than the program that always seems well put together the output is sporadic, lacking vision and structure (much like the rest of the club) and some of the online interactions with our media team are on outright embarrassment. The lack of guidance shown for our new manager has been appalling and shows exactly why we cant bring new managers through, some of things he has been consistently allowed to say show our press manager not doing his job. At all. It really is amateur hour. We've had a revolving door of an academy director, with no clear identity. A head of recruitment that was bought in (as rumor has it) as leash for TP, who again had no record of player recruitment in this environment. This would later go on to be proven, a guy who has moved on AFTER the transfer window shut?! We've had a chief scout bought in by a previous manager 3 managers ago. And our current manager has already come out this season and questioned why we have so many leaks from the club and why we are such a basket case basically? The club has lurched from crisis to crisis and im sure they all have the best of intentions, but until we have people running the club who have a PROVEN track record of success in whatever field that is we will remain in this same predicament. We need proper, proven footballing people involved in the upper echelons of the club. Not just the family and TS. There seems to be no overarching idea of who we are and what we are, no 'club rules', no identity. Just the hope that a new manager will come in and sort it out for them. I've said before that when TP left and definitely when LMH left that we needed someone who could run 'the club'. As it wasnt up to scratch. My pick was David Moyes, i'd still take him now although id be open to someone who could prove a similar role. The Coates family have spent a fortune on the club, and I for one wouldnt want them to give it up any time soon, but they are being ripped off left right and centre and need to start placing their trust in better people. Look at Norwich and Wolves, that type of root and branch change is what we need. But unless we are going to pay for the best we can get we are going to stay where we are. Noise from the stands must come next...Unita over to you Nail meet hammer. Perfect summing up of the whole situation.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Sept 1, 2019 11:43:21 GMT
Cheers Dave, pretty much sums up where most reasonable Stoke fans are at the moment..What galls me most is his pledge to build a young, athletic and vibrant team. Yesterday's line up was the polar opposite!!. Dave, if he was to go, who would be your choice given our situation?. Allardyce then hughton. Could we get either of them though? You have to believe its doubtful.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 1, 2019 11:51:34 GMT
Cheers Dave, pretty much sums up where most reasonable Stoke fans are at the moment..What galls me most is his pledge to build a young, athletic and vibrant team. Yesterday's line up was the polar opposite!!. Dave, if he was to go, who would be your choice given our situation?. Allardyce then hughton. Could we get either of them though? You have to believe its doubtful. Dave allardyce was the obvious choice time after time but we went for cheaper easier options , I’ve more chance of a double date with Kate moss and Kate Middleton than we have of getting him now with our mess and principal negotiators , the only manager of that ilk we might get is one no else will touch And that’s where we will end up .
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Post by eebygum on Sept 1, 2019 12:05:35 GMT
Allardyce then hughton. Could we get either of them though? You have to believe its doubtful. Dave allardyce was the obvious choice time after time but we went for cheaper easier options , I’ve more chance of a double date with Kate moss and Kate Middleton than we have of getting him now with our mess and principal negotiators , the only manager of that ilk we might get is one no else will touch And that’s where we will end up . Whoa is dev allardyce?
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 1, 2019 12:53:57 GMT
Dave allardyce was the obvious choice time after time but we went for cheaper easier options , I’ve more chance of a double date with Kate moss and Kate Middleton than we have of getting him now with our mess and principal negotiators , the only manager of that ilk we might get is one no else will touch And that’s where we will end up . Whoa is dev allardyce? It was a reply to Dave’s post .
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Post by GeneralFaye on Sept 1, 2019 13:12:54 GMT
His name needs to be sung in the stands. Der der der der Tony Scholes (to the tune of der der der der Ryan Shawcross) I try and start that song up at every game, never gets the traction it deserves.
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Post by lordb on Sept 1, 2019 13:30:07 GMT
Scholes needs to go, or at the very least have his role diminished however Moxey was far worse.
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Post by Milkie on Sept 14, 2019 16:01:22 GMT
Something has to give soon, comedy team, comedy management, attendance plummeting, drastic action required
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Post by dreamtheater on Sept 14, 2019 17:27:12 GMT
TS is good at counting beans ? By the way, accountants count the beans not the chief exec!!!!!! 15, 000 in today, increasingly adrift at the bottom and going nowhere. He has to be held accountable too one day ? surely to god ? 😑
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Sept 14, 2019 19:40:23 GMT
One bad referee can’t be held accountable for 4 years ofdecline , the wasting of £190. Transfer investment . The loss of £100m revenue , diabolical management appointments that sits absolutely squarely at the door of the highest paid executive director .
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Post by chigstoke on Sept 14, 2019 19:41:30 GMT
One bad referee can’t be held accountable for 4 years ofdecline , the wasting of £190. Transfer investment . The loss of £100m revenue , diabolical management appointments that sits absolutely squarely at the door of the highest paid executive director . The wasting of £190? When you put it like that maybe Scholes isn't all that bad.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 14, 2019 19:48:01 GMT
I heard he was on form during the supporters council meeting today
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2019 19:53:57 GMT
I heard he was on form during the supporters council meeting today Go on...?
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Sept 14, 2019 19:57:45 GMT
I heard he was on form during the supporters council meeting today Go on...? Just a few snippets off someone who mentioned him being on holiday at a crucial time that’s all mate.No doubt he’ll be on Hairy Potter’s social media anytime soon
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Post by Milkie on Sept 14, 2019 22:16:36 GMT
Intriguing, hopefully pride before a fall!
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Post by NassauDave on Sept 14, 2019 22:39:43 GMT
Jones and Scholes need to go immediately.
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Post by LGH87 on Sept 14, 2019 22:44:46 GMT
Just a few snippets off someone who mentioned him being on holiday at a crucial time that’s all mate.No doubt he’ll be on Hairy Potter’s social media anytime soon As in he’s on holiday now? Or that he was on holiday during the week leading up the European deadline?
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Post by questionable on Sept 15, 2019 9:11:36 GMT
This idiot has to go but like Jones seems bullet proof, only a Rome type scenario will sort this club out and deservedly so.
Lets see Scholes putting this devastation on his CV.
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Post by dreamtheater on Sept 15, 2019 10:26:25 GMT
yes devastation is a good word
as is, debacle
as are, abject failure
negligence ?and finally, gross incompetence
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Post by Milkie on Sept 24, 2019 21:54:19 GMT
Happy to take the plaudits and bonus when things were going well. Well it’s time for a career review, new challenge needed, this one just isn’t working any more.
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Post by Milkie on Sept 27, 2019 22:03:39 GMT
Wish I had captured the camera when it was focused on him tonight, he must, must be due a challenging conversation. Would you allow him to help pick the manager to save this club from obscurity or agree its time for a new challenge . Finally I hated TP , in his final year, however, he has a unique skill set, and we find ourselves back where that skill set might galvanise us, that in itself shows just how far we have dropped
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Sept 27, 2019 22:05:50 GMT
I wouldn't trust him to pick his nose.
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Post by kevkj on Oct 2, 2019 13:56:36 GMT
The skip rat has prosided over our freefall whilst earning £750,000 a year. Have a think on that.
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