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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 17, 2020 14:09:24 GMT
The reaction of the people on the train and online demonstrates the absurdity of the OP’s assertion that the far right is on the march in our country. That conclusion makes little to no sense. You could equally argue that people like him are emboldened as England in particular moves further and further to the right. He even makes the point that his views are 'popular' If anything it proves the point. People like him are a very small minority of the UKs population which is clearly a good thing. The problem is that people who don’t agree with everything re BLM, Dawn Butler or Gary McFarlane are identified as being the same when they are nothing like the idiot on the tube. I don’t think you’ll find anyone on here condoning that sort of behaviour certainly not me. I think the problem is that the racism bar has been raised so high that 99 percent of country fall under it.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 17, 2020 14:13:03 GMT
It proves something to people who look at the world through the wrong end of a telescope. An unashamed and uncowed racist feels emboldened enough to be an unashamed and uncowed racist in a very public place whilst trying to explain that his is now the mainstream view and this somehow proves this country isn't swinging to the right?! Nope, still not getting it! I thought the general rule was that the actions of one idiot doesn't represent everyone else - or does that not apply in this instance?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 17, 2020 14:21:56 GMT
An unashamed and uncowed racist feels emboldened enough to be an unashamed and uncowed racist in a very public place whilst trying to explain that his is now the mainstream view and this somehow proves this country isn't swinging to the right?! Nope, still not getting it! I thought the general rule was that the actions of one idiot doesn't represent everyone else - or does that not apply in this instance? I'm not sure what point you're making. Whatever, it's one hell of a stretch to say that a white bloke emboldened enough to be a vile racist prick in public and saying his is now the popular view, is evidence of the right not being on the march in this country. So much of a stretch that the very notion is complete poppycock. Not surprised you liked the post
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Post by thevoid on Aug 17, 2020 14:35:23 GMT
I thought the general rule was that the actions of one idiot doesn't represent everyone else - or does that not apply in this instance? I'm not sure what point you're making. Whatever, it's one hell of a stretch to say that a white bloke emboldened enough to be a vile racist prick in public and saying his is now the popular view, is evidence of the right not being on the march in this country. So much of a stretch that the very notion is complete poppycock. Not surprised you liked the post And I'm not surprised, after a couple of days away, that I come back and you're still yapping away like an angry miniature Yorkie 😂 Do you remember the old Scooby Doo cartoons where they used to keep running past the same objects over and over again? That's what most threads you contribute to remind me of- the same crap, over and over again, ad finitum. I liked the post (which condemned the actions of 'Greg Wallace' on the train, just in case your one eye missed it) because Cobham's made more sense in a couple of paragraphs than you make in a month's worth of ranting, fella. (Awaits a vest)
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 17, 2020 14:52:22 GMT
I'm not sure what point you're making. Whatever, it's one hell of a stretch to say that a white bloke emboldened enough to be a vile racist prick in public and saying his is now the popular view, is evidence of the right not being on the march in this country. So much of a stretch that the very notion is complete poppycock. Not surprised you liked the post And I'm not surprised, after a couple of days away, that I come back and you're still yapping away like an angry miniature Yorkie 😂 Do you remember the old Scooby Doo cartoons where they used to keep running past the same objects over and over again? That's what most threads you contribute to remind me of- the same crap, over and over again, ad finitum. I liked the post (which condemned the actions of 'Greg Wallace' on the train, just in case your one eye missed it) because Cobham's made more sense in a couple of paragraphs than you make in a month's worth of ranting, fella. (Awaits a vest) A rather long winded way to admit you were talking utter shit, that.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 17, 2020 14:52:34 GMT
I thought the general rule was that the actions of one idiot doesn't represent everyone else - or does that not apply in this instance? I'm not sure what point you're making. Whatever, it's one hell of a stretch to say that a white bloke emboldened enough to be a vile racist prick in public and saying his is now the popular view, is evidence of the right not being on the march in this country. So much of a stretch that the very notion is complete poppycock. Not surprised you liked the post You usually back the minorities Mo. which this loud mouth idiot is one of, he deserved twatting ! now we can revisit this when some other dick head pulls a similar stunt
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 17, 2020 14:55:11 GMT
I'm not sure what point you're making. Whatever, it's one hell of a stretch to say that a white bloke emboldened enough to be a vile racist prick in public and saying his is now the popular view, is evidence of the right not being on the march in this country. So much of a stretch that the very notion is complete poppycock. Not surprised you liked the post You usually back the minorities Mo. which this loud mouth idiot is one of, he deserved twatting ! now we can revisit this when some other dick head pulls a similar stunt Oh this nice, all the gang is arriving and I still haven't got a clue what the fucking point any of them are making is. Billy has scrambled their tiny minds.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 17, 2020 15:04:05 GMT
It proves something to people who look at the world through the wrong end of a telescope. An unashamed and uncowed racist feels emboldened enough to be an unashamed and uncowed racist in a very public place whilst trying to explain that his is now the mainstream view and this somehow proves this country isn't swinging to the right?! Nope, still not getting it! The guys is a twat. We will always have twats. We’ve had them before. We have them today. We’ll have them in the future. A twat is a twat is a twat. He does twatish things. That is why he is a twat. The point is the reaction of other people. And that reaction is, well, folk think he is a twat. He ain’t leading a revolution. He ain’t typical of anything of significance - other than reminding us there are twats around.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 17, 2020 15:06:10 GMT
An unashamed and uncowed racist feels emboldened enough to be an unashamed and uncowed racist in a very public place whilst trying to explain that his is now the mainstream view and this somehow proves this country isn't swinging to the right?! Nope, still not getting it! The guys is a twat. We will always have twats. We’ve had them before. We have them today. We’ll have them in the future. A twat is a twat is a twat. He does twatish things. That is why he is a twat. The point is the reaction of other people. And that reaction is, well, folk think he is a twat. He ain’t leading a revolution. He ain’t typical of anything of significance - other than reminding us there are twats around. So there is absolutely nothing in this incident to suggest that the far right isn't on the rise in this country as you initially said?
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 17, 2020 15:08:10 GMT
The guys is a twat. We will always have twats. We’ve had them before. We have them today. We’ll have them in the future. A twat is a twat is a twat. He does twatish things. That is why he is a twat. The point is the reaction of other people. And that reaction is, well, folk think he is a twat. He ain’t leading a revolution. He ain’t typical of anything of significance - other than reminding us there are twats around. So there is absolutely nothing in this incident to suggest that the far right isn't on the rise in this country as you initially said? You are delusional.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 17, 2020 15:13:36 GMT
So there is absolutely nothing in this incident to suggest that the far right isn't on the rise in this country as you initially said? You are delusional. So you're standing by your initial nonsense then, with absolutely nothing to back it up. OK.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 17, 2020 15:15:57 GMT
The guys is a twat. We will always have twats. We’ve had them before. We have them today. We’ll have them in the future. A twat is a twat is a twat. He does twatish things. That is why he is a twat. The point is the reaction of other people. And that reaction is, well, folk think he is a twat. He ain’t leading a revolution. He ain’t typical of anything of significance - other than reminding us there are twats around. So there is absolutely nothing in this incident to suggest that the far right isn't on the rise in this country as you initially said? It’s an isolated incident hence why you’ve found it. If it was happening everywhere there’d be 100s of examples or it would be just another video. If it’s on the rise find me 20 more then I might start agreeing with you.
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 17, 2020 15:22:00 GMT
So you're standing by your initial nonsense then, with absolutely nothing to back it up. OK. Like I said you look at the world through the wrong end of a telescope. It’s a shame as you should be enthused and happy with this incident as it shows how much this country hates racist twats. But, you clearly prefer to indulge your petty hatreds and prejudices. Try and cheer up. Life is good.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 17, 2020 15:23:56 GMT
So there is absolutely nothing in this incident to suggest that the far right isn't on the rise in this country as you initially said? It’s an isolated incident hence why you’ve found it. If it was happening everywhere there’d be 100s of examples or it would be just another video. If it’s on the rise find me 20 more then I might start agreeing with you. Hold your frigging horses for a minute, I never made the point in the first place. I was merely responding to the frankly absurd notion that coverage of a far right loon, doing far right wing loon stuff, was clear evidence that right wing lunacy wasn't on the march!! On balance, if you were going to make an assumption, it is probably that the opposite is true. I thing you lot really need to get your stories straight.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Aug 17, 2020 15:28:39 GMT
It’s an isolated incident hence why you’ve found it. If it was happening everywhere there’d be 100s of examples or it would be just another video. If it’s on the rise find me 20 more then I might start agreeing with you. Hold your frigging horses for a minute, I never made the point in the first place. I was merely responding to the frankly absurd notion that coverage of a far right loon, doing far right wing loon stuff, was clear evidence that right wing lunacy wasn't on the march!! On balance, if you were going to make an assumption, it is probably that the opposite is true. I thing you lot really need to get your stories straight. Right wing loons, left wing loons. They’re both as bad as each other. There will always be a minority of idiots from both sides. Not that we shouldn’t try and do something about it but the media and Twatter idiots seem to prefer it to go the other way thus heightening tensions.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 17, 2020 15:29:31 GMT
It’s an isolated incident hence why you’ve found it. If it was happening everywhere there’d be 100s of examples or it would be just another video. If it’s on the rise find me 20 more then I might start agreeing with you. Hold your frigging horses for a minute, I never made the point in the first place. I was merely responding to the frankly absurd notion that coverage of a far right loon, doing far right wing loon stuff, was clear evidence that right wing lunacy wasn't on the march!! On balance, if you were going to make an assumption, it is probably that the opposite is true. I thing you lot really need to get your stories straight. So you’re going against the title of the thread that you created then where you said it was. Now I am confused.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 17, 2020 15:37:50 GMT
Hold your frigging horses for a minute, I never made the point in the first place. I was merely responding to the frankly absurd notion that coverage of a far right loon, doing far right wing loon stuff, was clear evidence that right wing lunacy wasn't on the march!! On balance, if you were going to make an assumption, it is probably that the opposite is true. I thing you lot really need to get your stories straight. So you’re going against the title of the thread that you created then where you said it was. Now I am confused. Are you being deliberately obtuse? I don't think this proves anything and wouldn't have made the point at all if the absurd notion that it actually proves the right isn't on the march. I prefer to use actual stats. Hate crime doubled in five years, record highs of far right wing prisoners, 66% increase in anti Chinese hate crime since covid. The right is most definitely on the march in this country and that dickhead may have felt emboldened by these FACTS. It certainly sounded like it.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 17, 2020 15:41:54 GMT
So you’re going against the title of the thread that you created then where you said it was. Now I am confused. Are you being deliberately obtuse? I don't think this proves anything and wouldn't have made the point at all if the absurd notion that it actually proves the right isn't on the march. I prefer to use actual stats. Hate crime doubled in five years, record highs of far right wing prisoners, 66% increase in anti Chinese hate crime since covid. The right is most definitely on the march in this country and that dickhead may have felt emboldened by these FACTS. It certainly sounded like it. Maybe hate crime doubled because people feel more confident reporting it which can only be a good thing.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 17, 2020 15:44:09 GMT
Are you being deliberately obtuse? I don't think this proves anything and wouldn't have made the point at all if the absurd notion that it actually proves the right isn't on the march. I prefer to use actual stats. Hate crime doubled in five years, record highs of far right wing prisoners, 66% increase in anti Chinese hate crime since covid. The right is most definitely on the march in this country and that dickhead may have felt emboldened by these FACTS. It certainly sounded like it. Maybe hate crime doubled because people feel more confident reporting it which can only be a good thing.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 17, 2020 15:51:09 GMT
And I'm not surprised, after a couple of days away, that I come back and you're still yapping away like an angry miniature Yorkie 😂 Do you remember the old Scooby Doo cartoons where they used to keep running past the same objects over and over again? That's what most threads you contribute to remind me of- the same crap, over and over again, ad finitum. I liked the post (which condemned the actions of 'Greg Wallace' on the train, just in case your one eye missed it) because Cobham's made more sense in a couple of paragraphs than you make in a month's worth of ranting, fella. (Awaits a vest) A rather long winded way to admit you were talking utter shit, that. Not really, One Eye. Whenever there's a terrorist attack the stock line from you and your sort is: "Doesn't represent the wider community" (which it doesn't). Coked up dickhead on a train says some racist bollocks that everyone present (and so far, on here) condemns and the UK is turning into 1930s Berlin. In fact you've had more to say on this lone numpty than the uniformed march through Brixton the other day. I wonder why? As for speaking shit, I'd suggest your crap about feeling emboldened in this day and age, when good folk have lost their jobs over daring to criticise BLM UK's motives, to be right up there. Unfortunately, you'll always get dickheads like him on the video.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 17, 2020 15:56:22 GMT
A rather long winded way to admit you were talking utter shit, that. Not really, One Eye. Whenever there's a terrorist attack the stock line from you and your sort is: "Doesn't represent the wider community" (which it doesn't). Coked up dickhead on a train says some racist bollocks that everyone present (and so far, on here) condemns and the UK is turning into 1930s Berlin. In fact you've had more to say on this lone numpty than the uniformed march through Brixton the other day. I wonder why? As for speaking shit, I'd suggest your crap about feeling emboldened in this day and age, when good folk have lost their jobs over daring to criticise BLM UK's motives, to be right up there. Unfortunately, you'll always get dickheads like him on the video. The only thing I've commented on regarding this dickhead is the ridiculous notion that it somehow contradicts the idea that the right is on the rise in this country but you crack on thinking you've read things that aren't there. .
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Post by thevoid on Aug 17, 2020 15:59:15 GMT
So you’re going against the title of the thread that you created then where you said it was. Now I am confused. Are you being deliberately obtuse? I don't think this proves anything and wouldn't have made the point at all if the absurd notion that it actually proves the right isn't on the march. I prefer to use actual stats. Hate crime doubled in five years, record highs of far right wing prisoners, 66% increase in anti Chinese hate crime since covid. The right is most definitely on the march in this country and that dickhead may have felt emboldened by these FACTS. It certainly sounded like it. Not all hate crimes are commited by white people. Of course, it would be pointless highlighting any examples as you'd just fall back on your stock rant about 'whataboutery'. But there are dickheads from all groups. Sod it, there's a video in today's press of a black woman racially abusing a Korean woman in London. I'm not mentioning this to deflect, merely to illustrate that non-whites can be racist too (although this doesn't fall under the umbrella of 'far right'). Plus- aren't more things classed as 'hate crimes' these days, which would partially explain a rise in figures? For example: deadnaming, which is a classed as a crime but let's be honest- it isn't really, is it?
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 17, 2020 16:00:51 GMT
Maybe hate crime doubled because people feel more confident reporting it which can only be a good thing. Are these people committing any crimes ?
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 17, 2020 16:07:58 GMT
I'm sure you know far more about the 1936 Public Order legislation than me
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Post by thevoid on Aug 17, 2020 16:19:34 GMT
I'm sure you know far more about the 1936 Public Order legislation than me They do seem emboldened though.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 17, 2020 16:22:34 GMT
I'm sure you know far more about the 1936 Public Order legislation than me What I would also say about hate crime is it doesn’t have to be racist to be classed as a hate crime. It can also be due to homophobia, religion, gender, disability.
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Post by thevoid on Aug 17, 2020 16:28:21 GMT
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 17, 2020 16:38:53 GMT
I'm sure you know far more about the 1936 Public Order legislation than me What I would also say about hate crime is it doesn’t have to be racist to be classed as a hate crime. It can also be due to homophobia, religion, gender, disability. Otherwise known as the right wing staples!
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 17, 2020 16:39:46 GMT
Are these people committing any crimes ?
I'm sure you know far more about the 1936 Public Order legislation than me Can't answer or won't answer Mo, come on coward these people are breaking the law do you condemn them for breaking the law ????
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Post by thevoid on Aug 17, 2020 16:46:10 GMT
I will concede that the UK (and, on a bigger scale, the US) does seem to be a much less tolerant and more angry place these days, and I'd suggest that this forum is a microcosm of that. Social media is to blame for a lot of it. No one wants to debate rationally these days, it's just insults.
However, to lay it all at the door of 'the right' (which is a fairly broad spectrum) is misleading. Yes, there are people from the far right who have probably become 'emboldened' by Brexit etc, but they will have always held those views, regardless of the outcome, and they usually feel the full weight of the law, such as the Burnley banner idiot. But we've also seen similar traits- vandalism, abuse, threatening/aggressive behaviour- from the other side of the divide and they're just as complicit.
Politics has become almost sectarian now in the abuse dished out to people on 'the other side'. Politicians (from all sides) and police officers being threatened and abused barely registers as a shock these days. And as well as this, we're seeing knife crime and acid attack figures through the roof. Paramedics are being attacked when they arrive at a job (which should be classed as a hate crime in itself). This country is a mess, but all sides are culpable.
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