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Post by wakeypotter on Aug 8, 2019 20:23:37 GMT
You don’t know what your talking about bud he hardly got any opportunities Do you honestly think a manager under pressure of losing their job is not going to play a star asset if that player is indeed a star asset? When he got opportunities in the past 2 years, he failed to impress. He’s under pressure now mate with a record of 3 wins in 24.
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 8, 2019 21:09:12 GMT
I really have no idea what you’re talking about here. Why are you talking about “firing” or dismissal at all? That isn’t what happened. And you can’t just “have someone resign” either. Both parties have decided to move on and come to an agreement, to characterise that as Stoke saying “you’re not good enough so we’re firing you” (illegal) is completely ridiculous. ok, I thought the comparison was not too much of a stretch, but ... If we were to terminate Bojan's contract (or in an employee example "fire") for no other cause than "we don't like you" or "you're not the superstar we thought you were", it would be expensive to pay out his contract. If however, we made it clear he's not going to get another chance, perhaps he will get restless enough to cancel his contract and move on. Which is what happened. Of course it has to be mutual consent. We have not "lost" anything because he was never going to get another chance. We have saved his wages for the rest of his contract. If this had happened with Imbula, Wimmer or even Berahino, people would be dancing in the streets. Sad truth is Bojan has not offered much more than any of those 3 in the past 2 years. This has happened with Berahino. Players generally don't just "cancel" big money contracts because they're not in the squad picture. In fact that's the whole problem with Wimmer, Imbula etc. You seem to be conflating, or confusing, about six different ways that a contract can be ended. Bojan hasn't been fired or dismissed (constructively or otherwise), he hasn't resigned, neither party has unilaterally decided to terminate or cancel the contract and we've almost certainly paid up *some* of his remaining wages. We've negotiated an exit with him which is mutually beneficial to both parties and everybody is reasonably happy. Apart from the fans of course
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Aug 8, 2019 23:49:54 GMT
All the best Bojan lad you were part of the best football and Stoke side I've had the privilege to watch but in the end it didn't quite work out. All the best duck.
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Post by GoBoks on Aug 9, 2019 14:06:41 GMT
Do you honestly think a manager under pressure of losing their job is not going to play a star asset if that player is indeed a star asset? When he got opportunities in the past 2 years, he failed to impress. He’s under pressure now mate with a record of 3 wins in 24. Agreed. Therefore he is more likely to value any prodigious talent. He has chosen not to value Bojan, just like our previous 3 managers as well as the managers of Roma, Milan, Ajax and Barcelona. We bought him for 1.8M. Hardly a superstar fee. I enjoyed watching Bojan play, the BMX period was brilliant, but for whatever reason he has failed to establish himself and is gone. Can we please stop using this as an excuse to bash the club when we don't know what has happened behind the scenes?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 17:10:02 GMT
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 9, 2019 18:11:22 GMT
Has he scored yet?
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Aug 9, 2019 19:22:16 GMT
Why does the myth that Bojan was no good after the Rochdale injury persist? Hughes dropped Bojan when we had a few injuries and it seemed to be downhill from there. With hindsight, maybe Hughes would've done things differently and we'd still be in the Premier League with Bojan as an all-time Stoke City great instead of just a great player who played great for us for a relatively short time. Although it was inevitable, I'm pretty sad about Bojan leaving, but it's dragged on for too long and is probably best for the club, fans and player. It's sad he didn't get a run in the team last year, but none of us know anything about circumstances behind the scenes. I hope he finds success elsewhere. Please correct me if I'm wrong. We were going along quite nicely I think with Bojan doing ok and performing. He had demolished Man City. He got a terrible injury on a shitty pitch at Rochdale. He was never the same again. Are you talking about this match, which was post-Rochdale? Do you remember others in 2015/16 before Bojan was dropped? Shaqiri wasn't at Stoke the previous season, and some of our best performances under Hughes were thanks to the trio of Arnautovic, Shaqiri and Bojan. He played his most games for us that season, with his best goal and assist return too.
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Post by smallthorner on Aug 9, 2019 19:40:01 GMT
Please correct me if I'm wrong. We were going along quite nicely I think with Bojan doing ok and performing. He had demolished Man City. He got a terrible injury on a shitty pitch at Rochdale. He was never the same again. Are you talking about this match, which was post-Rochdale? Do you remember others in 2015/16 before Bojan was dropped? Shaqiri wasn't at Stoke the previous season, and some of our best performances under Hughes were thanks to the trio of Arnautovic, Shaqiri and Bojan. He played his most games for us that season, with his best goal and assist return too. Yes. I'm obviously very wrong about that particular match. I've obviously fell into the same trap as the Club and several football websites that Bojan's injury against Rochdale hampered his career.
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Post by smallthorner on Aug 9, 2019 19:51:01 GMT
Please correct me if I'm wrong. We were going along quite nicely I think with Bojan doing ok and performing. He had demolished Man City. He got a terrible injury on a shitty pitch at Rochdale. He was never the same again. Are you talking about this match, which was post-Rochdale? Do you remember others in 2015/16 before Bojan was dropped? Shaqiri wasn't at Stoke the previous season, and some of our best performances under Hughes were thanks to the trio of Arnautovic, Shaqiri and Bojan. He played his most games for us that season, with his best goal and assist return too. Suppose it's a bit like the Joe Allen thing. It seems like we've been shite ever since he arrived. With the utmost possible respect of course.
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Post by elystokie on Aug 9, 2019 19:56:48 GMT
Are you talking about this match, which was post-Rochdale? Do you remember others in 2015/16 before Bojan was dropped? Shaqiri wasn't at Stoke the previous season, and some of our best performances under Hughes were thanks to the trio of Arnautovic, Shaqiri and Bojan. He played his most games for us that season, with his best goal and assist return too. Yes. I'm obviously very wrong about that particular match. I've obviously fell into the same trap as the Club and several football websites that Bojan's injury against Rochdale hampered his career. But it's already been pointed out to you that the club haven't 'fallen into that trap'. If you didn't understand you should have said so at the time.
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Post by smallthorner on Aug 9, 2019 20:03:17 GMT
Yes. I'm obviously very wrong about that particular match. I've obviously fell into the same trap as the Club and several football websites that Bojan's injury against Rochdale hampered his career. But it's already been pointed out to you that the club haven't 'fallen into that trap'. If you didn't understand you should have said so at the time. The Club have officially stated that a serious injury at Rochdale disrupted his career. Why even make that statement if they didn't think the injury had had some significant impact on his career.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 20:05:50 GMT
But it's already been pointed out to you that the club haven't 'fallen into that trap'. If you didn't understand you should have said so at the time. The Club have officially stated that a serious injury at Rochdale disrupted his career. Why even make that statement if they didn't think the injury had had some significant impact on his career. Which Club? Our club? Our club who literally advertised a job the other week saying we were a premier league club?
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Aug 9, 2019 20:06:15 GMT
The Club have officially stated that a serious injury at Rochdale disrupted his career. Why even make that statement if they didn't think the injury had had some significant impact on his career. Which Club? Our club? Our club who literally advertised a job the other week saying we were a premier league club? Because our club couldn’t find its own arse with both hands.
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Post by smallthorner on Aug 9, 2019 20:07:45 GMT
The Club have officially stated that a serious injury at Rochdale disrupted his career. Why even make that statement if they didn't think the injury had had some significant impact on his career. Which Club? Our club? Our club who literally advertised a job the other week saying we were a premier league club? Yes. Our Club.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 20:10:28 GMT
Which Club? Our club? Our club who literally advertised a job the other week saying we were a premier league club? Because our club couldn’t find its own arse with both hands. Anyone running a “why would our club do/say something if it wasn’t true/right?” argument needs their heads examining... I’ll be shocked if they can even manage to put the correct team sheet out on a regular basis with each players’ name spelt correctly.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 20:12:04 GMT
Which Club? Our club? Our club who literally advertised a job the other week saying we were a premier league club? Yes. Our Club. 1) Our club is thick a pig shit 2) Has it not occurred to you that of course they will run this false narrative because it suits them? Same reason he didn’t get a goodbye montage - why make it worse and remind everyone how talented he is?
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Post by smallthorner on Aug 9, 2019 20:15:25 GMT
1) Our club is thick a pig shit 2) Has it not occurred to you that of course they will run this false narrative because it suits them? Same reason he didn’t get a goodbye montage - why make it worse and remind everyone how talented he is? He was.
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Post by elystokie on Aug 9, 2019 20:19:40 GMT
But it's already been pointed out to you that the club haven't 'fallen into that trap'. If you didn't understand you should have said so at the time. The Club have officially stated that a serious injury at Rochdale disrupted his career. Why even make that statement if they didn't think the injury had had some significant impact on his career. Nobody has ever argued that it didn't disrupt his career, only a fool would. The argument arises when people try and declare that he didn't display some of his best form after the injury, which he did. The club's statement has no relevance to that fact, I'm surprised anyone would think it did.
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Post by smallthorner on Aug 9, 2019 20:24:19 GMT
The Club have officially stated that a serious injury at Rochdale disrupted his career. Why even make that statement if they didn't think the injury had had some significant impact on his career. Nobody has ever argued that it didn't disrupt his career, only a fool would. The argument arises when people try and declare that he didn't display some of his best form after the injury, which he did. The club's statement has no relevance to that fact, I'm surprised anyone would think it did. So you don't think that the injury had any impact on his SCFC career at all?
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Post by elystokie on Aug 9, 2019 20:39:10 GMT
Nobody has ever argued that it didn't disrupt his career, only a fool would. The argument arises when people try and declare that he didn't display some of his best form after the injury, which he did. The club's statement has no relevance to that fact, I'm surprised anyone would think it did. So you don't think that the injury had any impact on his SCFC career at all? How in the name of sweet baby Jesus someone arrives at that conclusion from what I put I'll never know. I'm done with you, I'll let you get back to your trolling.
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Post by smallthorner on Aug 9, 2019 20:47:14 GMT
So you don't think that the injury had any impact on his SCFC career at all? How in the name of sweet baby Jesus someone arrives at that conclusion from what I put I'll never know. I'm done with you, I'll let you get back to your trolling. What the heck are you getting so agitated about? I'm merely asking you if you perhaps think that his injury came back to haunt him a good few months after said performances against Man City etc. Serious injury can have more than the immediate impact. Don't know what you're on about trolling. Not even sure what it means tbh. Anyway.. I've admitted I was wrong in my thinking and just pointing out that more informed institutions than me also thought the same. Cheers.
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Post by smallthorner on Aug 9, 2019 22:32:59 GMT
Why does the myth that Bojan was no good after the Rochdale injury persist? Hughes dropped Bojan when we had a few injuries and it seemed to be downhill from there. With hindsight, maybe Hughes would've done things differently and we'd still be in the Premier League with Bojan as an all-time Stoke City great instead of just a great player who played great for us for a relatively short time. Although it was inevitable, I'm pretty sad about Bojan leaving, but it's dragged on for too long and is probably best for the club, fans and player. It's sad he didn't get a run in the team last year, but none of us know anything about circumstances behind the scenes. I hope he finds success elsewhere. Perhaps those "few injuries" were connected to his serious Rochdale injury a few months before. Perhaps his rochdale injury got into his head and affected him mentally...
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Post by madnellie on Aug 10, 2019 0:29:43 GMT
Fair enough but where was the interest from the European leagues ? You could say that about Rooney etc He wanted to sample a different league Plus Canada is a great place to live and Montreal is a really fun city. It's probably more than just a footballing decision.
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Post by JoeinOz on Aug 12, 2019 21:31:12 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 13:28:08 GMT
Bojan tied his bootlaces last night and played his first game for Montreal Impacts vs FC Dallas.
As a perhaps unkindly reminder of his past, he was pulled off in the 60th minute - just like Hughes, Rowett, and Jones did on those rare occasions he was picked - at the time of which the score was 3-1 in Montreal's favour. As we also saw often when you take off your best player, the opposition gains confidence, and sure enough FC Dallas scored twice, the equaliser coming, yes you've guessed right, in the last minute.
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Post by thedeadlyshart on Aug 20, 2019 14:02:02 GMT
Bojan tied his bootlaces last night and played his first game for Montreal Impacts vs FC Dallas. As a perhaps unkindly reminder of his past, he was pulled off in the 60th minute - just like Hughes, Rowett, and Jones did on those rare occasions he was picked - at the time of which the score was 3-1 in Montreal's favour. As we also saw often when you take off your best player, the opposition gains confidence, and sure enough FC Dallas scored twice, the equaliser coming, yes you've guessed right, in the last minute. I watched this one. TBF Bojan didn't do much in the 60 minutes or so he was on the pitch, and 2 of The Impact's 3 goals were down to huge defensive errors.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2019 14:18:36 GMT
Bojan tied his bootlaces last night and played his first game for Montreal Impacts vs FC Dallas. As a perhaps unkindly reminder of his past, he was pulled off in the 60th minute - just like Hughes, Rowett, and Jones did on those rare occasions he was picked - at the time of which the score was 3-1 in Montreal's favour. As we also saw often when you take off your best player, the opposition gains confidence, and sure enough FC Dallas scored twice, the equaliser coming, yes you've guessed right, in the last minute. 😆😆
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Aug 20, 2019 14:20:35 GMT
Bojan tied his bootlaces last night and played his first game for Montreal Impacts vs FC Dallas. As a perhaps unkindly reminder of his past, he was pulled off in the 60th minute - just like Hughes, Rowett, and Jones did on those rare occasions he was picked - at the time of which the score was 3-1 in Montreal's favour. As we also saw often when you take off your best player, the opposition gains confidence, and sure enough FC Dallas scored twice, the equaliser coming, yes you've guessed right, in the last minute. No wonder they lost concentration if Bojan got pulled off in the 60th minute. Very distracting for all concerned. To be honest the whole thing sounds a bit Freudian to me.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 25, 2019 0:50:09 GMT
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Post by kustokie on Aug 25, 2019 0:54:05 GMT
“Former Barcelona Man” scores! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
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