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Post by Deleted on Aug 7, 2019 19:13:52 GMT
It was reported a few weeks ago he’s basically agreed to not be paid so he can just leave. That was how sick of us he was. He’s not been ‘fired’. Do you not think it’s odd that. Bojan is the only one this has happened to? It’s because he said he was happy not to be paid. ever heard of constructive dismissal? Not saying it happened here, but if it's too expensive to simply terminate an employee, it makes sense to have them resign. Yeah cool. Bojan left and just wanted to play football so was happy to not be paid. Call it what you want. No-one else is doing it are they - happy to sit on their fat salaries and do fuck all but be pleased Bojan is gone on the day we sign Scott Hogan if you like. Can’t even fucking appreciate the class he left with - you seem like a pretty sad act tbh. Also, just to not, constructive dismissal you can sue for so I imagine we aren’t going to see a law suit from him and it’s not at all what happened but as you were.
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Post by onefatcopper on Aug 7, 2019 19:33:57 GMT
A bang average player left the club today by mutual consent A “bang average” player who played over 140 games for Barcelona, won champions league medals etc.,etc. Scored some excellent goals for Stoke against the likes of Man Utd, Man City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Tottenham etc., Wow - you set high standards! Doubt we’ll be seeing any more of this type of “bang average” player for a while. Only limited, blinkered, unimaginative managers let opportunities like this slip through their grasp, without trying everything to take advantage of their good fortune. I doubt whether Tony Waddington would have pushed Bojan out. He would almost certainly have built a team and system around him, as he did with Alan Hudson. A simple question, 140 games, goals and medals galore for Barcelona, so why did he leave ?
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 7, 2019 19:57:27 GMT
A “bang average” player who played over 140 games for Barcelona, won champions league medals etc.,etc. Scored some excellent goals for Stoke against the likes of Man Utd, Man City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Tottenham etc., Wow - you set high standards! Doubt we’ll be seeing any more of this type of “bang average” player for a while. Only limited, blinkered, unimaginative managers let opportunities like this slip through their grasp, without trying everything to take advantage of their good fortune. I doubt whether Tony Waddington would have pushed Bojan out. He would almost certainly have built a team and system around him, as he did with Alan Hudson. A simple question, 140 games, goals and medals galore for Barcelona, so why did he leave ? Tough one, maybe he couldn't dislodge Messi or David Villa from the starting XI
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Post by zerps on Aug 7, 2019 20:01:19 GMT
Man city offered £300,000,000 and we rejected it.
Breaking on ssn now.
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 7, 2019 21:06:25 GMT
It was reported a few weeks ago he’s basically agreed to not be paid so he can just leave. That was how sick of us he was. He’s not been ‘fired’. Do you not think it’s odd that. Bojan is the only one this has happened to? It’s because he said he was happy not to be paid. ever heard of constructive dismissal? Not saying it happened here, but if it's too expensive to simply terminate an employee, it makes sense to have them resign. I really have no idea what you’re talking about here. Why are you talking about “firing” or dismissal at all? That isn’t what happened. And you can’t just “have someone resign” either. Both parties have decided to move on and come to an agreement, to characterise that as Stoke saying “you’re not good enough so we’re firing you” (illegal) is completely ridiculous.
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 7, 2019 21:21:46 GMT
A “bang average” player who played over 140 games for Barcelona, won champions league medals etc.,etc. Scored some excellent goals for Stoke against the likes of Man Utd, Man City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Tottenham etc., Wow - you set high standards! Doubt we’ll be seeing any more of this type of “bang average” player for a while. Only limited, blinkered, unimaginative managers let opportunities like this slip through their grasp, without trying everything to take advantage of their good fortune. I doubt whether Tony Waddington would have pushed Bojan out. He would almost certainly have built a team and system around him, as he did with Alan Hudson. A simple question, 140 games, goals and medals galore for Barcelona, so why did he leave ? Not 100% sure but Pep didn't like him...
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Post by onefatcopper on Aug 7, 2019 23:58:37 GMT
A simple question, 140 games, goals and medals galore for Barcelona, so why did he leave ? Tough one, maybe he couldn't dislodge Messi or David Villa from the starting XI Yeah you could be right, come all through the ranks at Barcelona make the first team, 140 games later and after all those goals and medals you give it all up ? He’s younger than both those players and would now be entering the peak years of his career, why didn’t he stay and learn from the best players in the world, he proved that he could play in the same team after all he played more than 140 games ? Or could it be a lot simpler explanation, he just hasn’t got the stomach or fire to fight for a first team place ? Hasn’t the same scenario at Barcelona just been played out at Stoke, sent out on loan to clubs on the continent, deemed fit to play but unable to nail down a first team spot and then regrettably let go to try his luck somewhere else ?
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 8, 2019 5:59:32 GMT
Tough one, maybe he couldn't dislodge Messi or David Villa from the starting XI Yeah you could be right, come all through the ranks at Barcelona make the first team, 140 games later and after all those goals and medals you give it all up ? He’s younger than both those players and would now be entering the peak years of his career, why didn’t he stay and learn from the best players in the world, he proved that he could play in the same team after all he played more than 140 games ? Or could it be a lot simpler explanation, he just hasn’t got the stomach or fire to fight for a first team place ? Hasn’t the same scenario at Barcelona just been played out at Stoke, sent out on loan to clubs on the continent, deemed fit to play but unable to nail down a first team spot and then regrettably let go to try his luck somewhere else ? It's been well documented how fragile he is mentally. I think with certain players a different approach is needed that's maybe more detailed and time consuming and Bojan would have been worth that approach. That may have happened at Stoke I don't know but there didn't seem to be any evidence of it. Even his biggest critics on here could see what a superbly talented footballer he was. Its just a shame that he played under 3 managers at Stoke (4 counting Lambert) that were under pressure to arrest the club's alarming slide down the Premier league and then the championship.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2019 6:21:34 GMT
What does it say about him when the best he can do is the Canadian league ? The guy is a busted flush so far as most of football is concerned.
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Post by werrington on Aug 8, 2019 6:22:35 GMT
What does it say about him when the best he can do is the Canadian league ? The guy is a busted flush so far as most of football is concerned. They play in the MLS
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 8, 2019 7:40:36 GMT
It’s such a shame to see him go.
A case of what might have been... for a while he was the best footballer we’ve had since Alan Hudson and he produced, with Arnie and Shaq, the best football we’ve seen since those days in the mid 70s; that opening goal at Everton in the 4-3 win was a goal of the highest quality.
But, for whatever reason, he couldn’t deliver consistently. Who knows why. There will be multiple reasons.
I’m happy to remember those few moments when we rediscovered what Tony Waddington had in mind when he spoke about football as the working man’s ballet..
Thanks for the memories wee man.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2019 7:43:20 GMT
What does it say about him when the best he can do is the Canadian league ? The guy is a busted flush so far as most of football is concerned. They play in the MLS Fair enough but where was the interest from the European leagues ?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2019 7:47:28 GMT
Fair enough but where was the interest from the European leagues ? There was interest from French, Italian, and Spanish clubs.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2019 7:49:45 GMT
Fair enough but where was the interest from the European leagues ? There was interest from French, Italian, and Spanish clubs. And he chose the MLS ? You really believe that don't you
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2019 7:51:35 GMT
There was interest from French, Italian, and Spanish clubs. And he chose the MLS ? You really believe that don't you He believes the lad can walk on water.
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Post by werrington on Aug 8, 2019 8:02:55 GMT
Fair enough but where was the interest from the European leagues ? You could say that about Rooney etc He wanted to sample a different league
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2019 8:16:44 GMT
Fair enough but where was the interest from the European leagues ? You could say that about Rooney etc He wanted to sample a different league Rooney went for the money
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Post by warringtonstokie on Aug 8, 2019 8:38:36 GMT
Weird that people want to bash Bojan. Class on and off the pitch and he’s had a career that pretty much anyone would kill for. To slate someone with well documented mental health issues and attack their character is also in incredibly poor taste, too.
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Post by Robo10 on Aug 8, 2019 8:44:23 GMT
Weird that people want to bash Bojan. Class on and off the pitch and he’s had a career that pretty much anyone would kill for. To slate someone with well documented mental health issues and attack their character is also in incredibly poor taste, too. Unfortunately that's because the average poster on here nowadays is a fucking retard given the power of the internet and a keyboard to hide behind. Whether you rate Bodjer or not, some of the posts are scandalous. Good guy, worked hard, gave us some memories, couple of bad injuries, come back each time, for whatever reason its not worked out, has his own demons, maybe he just wants away from Europe. Has nothing but nice things to say about Stoke, its fans and the home he made here. Smudge had it spot on in the last Oatie indirectly speaking about this place being a sad reflection of the messageboard it once was.
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Post by bertiestan on Aug 8, 2019 8:44:23 GMT
What does it say about him when the best he can do is the Canadian league ? The guy is a busted flush so far as most of football is concerned. 😂😂😂 if your going chuck shit at least aim well
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2019 10:05:15 GMT
There was interest from French, Italian, and Spanish clubs. And he chose the MLS ? You really believe that don't you Some people people make choices that make great sense to them, but little sense to the ignorant outsider. What matters is that Bojan is happy with his choice and is looking forward to a new beginning. He's been given the number 9 shirt, a fair indication that he won't be playing at the tip of a diamond...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2019 12:07:25 GMT
Wait, hold on, has the little maestro always been a fixture on the MB's background wallpaper? Or is this a new thing?
Either way, a nice nod from the Oatie admins.
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 8, 2019 12:41:06 GMT
A “bang average” player who played over 140 games for Barcelona, won champions league medals etc.,etc. Scored some excellent goals for Stoke against the likes of Man Utd, Man City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Tottenham etc., Wow - you set high standards! Doubt we’ll be seeing any more of this type of “bang average” player for a while. Only limited, blinkered, unimaginative managers let opportunities like this slip through their grasp, without trying everything to take advantage of their good fortune. I doubt whether Tony Waddington would have pushed Bojan out. He would almost certainly have built a team and system around him, as he did with Alan Hudson. A simple question, 140 games, goals and medals galore for Barcelona, so why did he leave ? Lionel Messi he pretty much played the position Bojan would / could have done
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 8, 2019 16:34:00 GMT
What does it say about him when the best he can do is the Canadian league ? The guy is a busted flush so far as most of football is concerned. They play in the MLS 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2019 16:53:38 GMT
Wait, hold on, has the little maestro always been a fixture on the MB's background wallpaper? Or is this a new thing? Either way, a nice nod from the Oatie admins. And right next to Hudson where he belongs.
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Post by stokecakesandcheese on Aug 8, 2019 17:17:53 GMT
I think the right decision was made in terms of Bojan leaving, both for the club and for Bojan himself. However, having seen Nick Powell at the weekend, straight away watching his work ethic off the ball, closing down, tracking back etc... It seems as though he is just as bad as Boj. I know it’s one game and I’m not getting at Powell but managers of the past and Jones himself have strictly said Boj won’t fit in the system due to his off the ball work rate, and his defensive side to his game! Does Powell track back, work hard? Seems a bit contradictory to me?
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Post by strettonstokie on Aug 8, 2019 19:17:03 GMT
I think the right decision was made in terms of Bojan leaving, both for the club and for Bojan himself. However, having seen Nick Powell at the weekend, straight away watching his work ethic off the ball, closing down, tracking back etc... It seems as though he is just as bad as Boj. I know it’s one game and I’m not getting at Powell but managers of the past and Jones himself have strictly said Boj won’t fit in the system due to his off the ball work rate, and his defensive side to his game! Does Powell track back, work hard? Seems a bit contradictory to me? For me I think bojan would offer more in the long run than Powell will if he got the same run of games. Unfortunately we will never know, it stills bad taste for me that we have released a 28 year old who on his day was extremely exciting and loved the fans with a 33year old on loan and that's nothing against Duffy it's just typically stoke
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Post by GoBoks on Aug 8, 2019 19:56:39 GMT
Your last 3 paragraphs I agree with 100%. The rest, let's just agree to differ. When Someone is released after a sterling career (Ala Steven Gerrard), they deserve accolades. When someone (despite short periods of brilliance) couldn't make a spot their own after being given dozens of opportunities, in my book, "thank you for your efforts" is pretty much all they deserve. As for social media reaction, just because twits tweet about something, doesn't make it true. On any given day you will find social media surges supporting polar opposite points of view. Just look at this messageboard for a microcosm of the phenomenon. Reminds me of an old saying, "empty cans make the most noise". You don’t know what your talking about bud he hardly got any opportunities Do you honestly think a manager under pressure of losing their job is not going to play a star asset if that player is indeed a star asset? When he got opportunities in the past 2 years, he failed to impress.
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Post by stokecakesandcheese on Aug 8, 2019 19:57:38 GMT
I think the right decision was made in terms of Bojan leaving, both for the club and for Bojan himself. However, having seen Nick Powell at the weekend, straight away watching his work ethic off the ball, closing down, tracking back etc... It seems as though he is just as bad as Boj. I know it’s one game and I’m not getting at Powell but managers of the past and Jones himself have strictly said Boj won’t fit in the system due to his off the ball work rate, and his defensive side to his game! Does Powell track back, work hard? Seems a bit contradictory to me? For me I think bojan would offer more in the long run than Powell will if he got the same run of games. Unfortunately we will never know, it stills bad taste for me that we have released a 28 year old who on his day was extremely exciting and loved the fans with a 33year old on loan and that's nothing against Duffy it's just typically stoke Precisely mate, given a run of games, Bojan could’ve come good I know we’ve said this time and time again. It always seemed to be excuses by the managers. We don’t know what’s occurring behind closed doors but the general conclusion was his off the ball work. As I say, judging on Saturday we have replaced him with exactly the same thing. Hopefully Jones recognises this and has brought Duffy in to show Powell, put the graft in or your position will be gone too. Round and round we go
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Post by GoBoks on Aug 8, 2019 20:10:35 GMT
ever heard of constructive dismissal? Not saying it happened here, but if it's too expensive to simply terminate an employee, it makes sense to have them resign. I really have no idea what you’re talking about here. Why are you talking about “firing” or dismissal at all? That isn’t what happened. And you can’t just “have someone resign” either. Both parties have decided to move on and come to an agreement, to characterise that as Stoke saying “you’re not good enough so we’re firing you” (illegal) is completely ridiculous. ok, I thought the comparison was not too much of a stretch, but ... If we were to terminate Bojan's contract (or in an employee example "fire") for no other cause than "we don't like you" or "you're not the superstar we thought you were", it would be expensive to pay out his contract. If however, we made it clear he's not going to get another chance, perhaps he will get restless enough to cancel his contract and move on. Which is what happened. Of course it has to be mutual consent. We have not "lost" anything because he was never going to get another chance. We have saved his wages for the rest of his contract. If this had happened with Imbula, Wimmer or even Berahino, people would be dancing in the streets. Sad truth is Bojan has not offered much more than any of those 3 in the past 2 years.
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