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Post by WorkingclassHero on Aug 4, 2019 7:20:47 GMT
Its premature, I know, but the next big question is:- if the diamond really isn't going to work for the reasons we all know, then will NJ change it in time? Its a fundamental fact that we need a system that best suits our best players. And that's tricky because, our best players (from past performances) include Ince, Woods, N'Diaye and Clucas - who have hardly been stellar - as well as Etebo. Perhaps the challenge NJ ought to adopt now though is to get players who have proven their ability to be good or outstanding Champs players playing to their potential, using whatever system it takes, rather than seeing the challenge as fitting everyone into the diamond, irrespective of what they are good at. If I was sitting down now with NJ over a scotch, i think i'd be suggesting:- there is a good chance the diamond won't work and it will cost you your job sooner or later. You might want to consider, for the rest of the window, any players you might need to make a fist of a Plan B. Personally, I'd be after a left sided, goal scoring attacking midfielder with some pace and guile, (backed up by Verlinden); and trying to persuade N'Diaye to give it one last shot. Just in case of course. Otherwise, am not sure he'll have anywhere to go if it doesn't click. Something like.... Butland Edwards Batth Lindsay Clucas Etebo N'Diaye Ince Powell ???? Gregory or Campbell ???? = Loan for Harry Wilson, Robbie Brady, Jordan Ibe, Tom Lawrence, Junior Hoilett, .... If we played that formation he would pick MacLean
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Post by scfcno1fan on Aug 4, 2019 7:22:31 GMT
Interesting.
His record is terrible.
6 more games for me (excluding cup).
Let’s see how we get on.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Aug 4, 2019 7:34:48 GMT
We've spent £6M. Two thirds of that is in an area we really didn't need to and was spent on what is at absolute best a run of the mill right back and the other 2M was on a reserve centre half. If it's not an exceptionally busy four days, this is going to get very fucking messy and bitter very quickly.
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Post by clarkeda on Aug 4, 2019 8:01:11 GMT
Would hughton come to us?
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 4, 2019 8:03:20 GMT
I don't think its fair to judge him on anything last season.
However,now is the time he should be assessed. The transfer window to me has set him right back as it shows a total lack of understanding of our problems. As my mate said last night, we don't have anyone with pace, we don't have anyone who can beat a man, and we don't have anyone who can win the ball.
All basics. None of the signings will rectify that.
Just like Rowett, you can see he's fucked it, unless he makes several key signings this week he'll be out by September and we are in for another shit season
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Post by loosestools on Aug 4, 2019 8:03:27 GMT
Would hughton come to us? Good call.
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Aug 4, 2019 8:04:17 GMT
Would hughton come to us? That is definitely who I would have ready
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 4, 2019 8:08:37 GMT
It depends on who the replacement is? It's all well and good saying x wins in y but who appointed him and so on? The longer we stay in this division we are only ever a bad appointment away from League One. At the current owners hit rate that could well be the next one. For now though, we should just all calm down and see what happens in the first ten games of this season and re-assess. Currently as it's our strongest bet You would have to go for somebody that uses the 4231 as it does look our best option for the players we have here right now. Michael laudrup would be my top pick. I'd like to think jones could turn it around though and I think 10 games is a fair timescale myself aswell. We cant be seeing g too much more of that shit from yesterday it will demoralise the players and the fans, it needs to get better, quickly
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Post by adi on Aug 4, 2019 8:08:46 GMT
We've spent £6M. Two thirds of that is in an area we really didn't need to and was spent on what is at absolute best a run of the mill right back and the other 2M was on a reserve centre half. If it's not an exceptionally busy four days, this is going to get very fucking messy and bitter very quickly. Too late, it’s already the most toxic environment going.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Aug 4, 2019 8:16:52 GMT
If we even think about it we should review who hired him and then fire them as they got lambert snd Rowett wrong , then Appoint a football steeped technical director to help him said on the day if his appointment which I didn’t want we absolutrky cannot make him the next scapegoat You're talking about Jonathan Coates. How exactly is he going to be fired? JC is nit paid by the club to make the big decisions and advise them as owners someone else’s is who also responsible for maths day experience , ticketing , catering , PR , transfer management , recruitment it’s called accountability and goes wothnthe multiple sox figure or seven figure salary and benefit package
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Post by Davef on Aug 4, 2019 8:23:34 GMT
You're talking about Jonathan Coates. How exactly is he going to be fired? JC is nit paid by the club to make the big decisions and advise them as owners someone else’s is who also responsible for maths day experience , ticketing , catering , PR , transfer management , recruitment it’s called accountability and goes wothnthe multiple sox figure or seven figure salary and benefit package Any chance of that again in English?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2019 8:27:01 GMT
JC is nit paid by the club to make the big decisions and advise them as owners someone else’s is who also responsible for maths day experience , ticketing , catering , PR , transfer management , recruitment it’s called accountability and goes wothnthe multiple sox figure or seven figure salary and benefit package Any chance of that again in English? It’s all Tony’s fault
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Post by numpty40 on Aug 4, 2019 8:28:28 GMT
JC is nit paid by the club to make the big decisions and advise them as owners someone else’s is who also responsible for maths day experience , ticketing , catering , PR , transfer management , recruitment it’s called accountability and goes wothnthe multiple sox figure or seven figure salary and benefit package Any chance of that again in English? I enjoy benjis posts, they're like a cryptic puzzle to solve, keeps me occupied for hours.
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Post by 19notbeaten72 on Aug 4, 2019 8:30:56 GMT
We are heading ony one way with Jones in charge 20 odd games 3 wins new season with players he has bought in it looked worse than last season against a very average team. Promotion Mr coates prepare for league 1 & crowds under 10.000.
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Post by Fred Ferret on Aug 4, 2019 8:35:40 GMT
At least another 10. He has to get at least 4 wins out of them. Loose to both Derby and Leeds and things could feel uncomfortable. What bloody good is 4 wins in 10, this club needs to do lot more than that. He is as hapless as Rowett! At this moment in time, I would be almost ecstatic if we got 4 wins in the next 10, given we are currently at 3 from 23 odd!
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Post by Block 22 on Aug 4, 2019 8:56:33 GMT
Unless we're relegated, a minimum of two years. What's the point in investing in a long term project if you just sack everybody when it doesn't immediately work? Please don’t use rational and sensible comments on this board. They are beyond the comprehension of most.
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Post by Block 22 on Aug 4, 2019 8:59:36 GMT
I would have said 2 seasons or 3 transfer windows. We're still in a right fucking mess and have been for over 3 years. That needs consistency. However he's completely shit the bed with his constant promises and big talk. He's fucked himself over from day one. - Having a team to be proud of. - Fast paced, attacking football - Luton were the second highest scorers in the FL behind Man City, watch this space. - Next season will be different. - Big change in culture from top to bottom. - Players look exceptional in training / pre-season Then we get the same shit as last season, yesterday? Couldnt have failed harder if he tried. I want this to work out because wherever we go from there managerial wise is scary. But fuck me if he hasn't set himself up for a fail. The chest pumping after the Leeds game said it all to me. He looked absolutely fucking terrified during his interview post match. Why are you comparing everything he has said on 60 minutes of yesterday’s match? We have played one competitive fixture this season for fucks sake.
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Aug 4, 2019 9:08:34 GMT
At least another 10. He has to get at least 4 wins out of them. Loose to both Derby and Leeds and things could feel uncomfortable. What bloody good is 4 wins in 10, this club needs to do lot more than that. He is as hapless as Rowett! No good whatsoever, but from the board's point of view, if we got 4 wins four draws in the next ten I can't see them pulling the plug.
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Post by WorkingclassHero on Aug 4, 2019 9:13:09 GMT
Would hughton come to us? That is definitely who I would have ready Agreed, good coach, might be able to get something out if this bunch.
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Post by karl on Aug 4, 2019 9:23:03 GMT
Got to give him another 9 games. It takes time for the new players to gel together and hope we add a couple more before the window closes.
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Aug 4, 2019 9:23:22 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2019 9:34:56 GMT
I’m happy to judge him at Xmas, half a season with a full pre-season like Rowett had, plus some of his own signings. The second half of last season I’ve written off based on the amount of money Rowett wasted on dross. If we want a long term improvement plan constantly sacking managers isn’t the answer, that said we need to see improvements going into Xmas or we’re just going to be going round in circles for another couple of seasons. People need to appreciate though this was always a 3 or 4 window fix, Jones’ incomings are hampered by us getting some of the deadwood off our books. It would be nice to just bring in Gayle and fuck Afobe off for example, but it’s not that simple. We were always going to have to be patient, maybe a lot more than we first though.....
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Post by chigstoke on Aug 4, 2019 9:36:28 GMT
Agree RE the Hughton shouts if Jones gets into deep mither, never thought of him till now. We will have some of the same names pop up again.
Moyes (not going to happen) Fat bastard Sam (not going to happen) Hughton (decent chance) Jokanovic (rejected us once already) Pulis (like asking for a terminal illness) O'Neill (read Pulis)
Mad mick has the ROI job, Bruce has the Newcastle job for now. Cowley brothers might get a shout for being cheap and I can see the appeal to the board, but it's a massive risk appointment.
It's depressing reading at the moment, especially with what seems to be the lack of willing to go all continental breakfast on our appointments.
But all this is obviously speculation. We're still 1 game into this season. Need to see the next 5 or 6 really first.
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Post by thestatusquo on Aug 4, 2019 9:40:03 GMT
I’d say he’s got until the end of October. If we aren’t showing any signs of improvement by then it gives the new guy time to assess before the new window opens. Chris H is a good shout
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Post by numberounominion on Aug 4, 2019 9:48:27 GMT
I am amazed he has got 3 wins out of 22.
His tactics are to leave us exposed down the sides and encourage teams to get 2 v 1 on our full backs. With tactics like that he ought to have zero wins out of 22.
Mind you I think one win was in bizzare circumstances against spygate leeds United. When he abandoned his own tactics for reasons off the pitch.
Which gives him a pure score of 2 wins in 21. Basically a ten per cent win percentage.
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Post by stokeykez on Aug 4, 2019 9:53:43 GMT
The club will give him forever but the fans are judging him now, as nathan has personally asked us to do.
I'll give him 8 games but in the long term NJ will walk before he has a sacking on his precious CV.
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Post by skelman on Aug 4, 2019 10:02:00 GMT
We've spent £6M. Two thirds of that is in an area we really didn't need to and was spent on what is at absolute best a run of the mill right back and the other 2M was on a reserve centre half. If it's not an exceptionally busy four days, this is going to get very fucking messy and bitter very quickly. Jones asked us to judge him from yesterday. Yesterday was a shambles!
We'd been given the talk and were told the lads were ready to hit the ground running! 6 starters were NJ's men and he said he and the players knew who was playing and the set-up from at least last Wednesday! It actually looked and performed like a scratch side thrown together at the last minute. Apart from names on the team sheet little or nothing had changed from last season. It's now becoming ever increasingly tedious listening to Jones. Yes I'll give him some time to get Etebo and perhaps Ndiaye back in. Yes Ryan and Lindsay were not available. But yesterday showed no signs of progress in any of the key much talked about areas. It was woeful and awful!! If he's not turned this around by the end of the home games against Derby, Leeds, Bristol and Forest i.e. 20% of the way through the season then he can't! Yes there are constraints but based on current performance NJ looks like he may be one of them!!
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Post by stokeson on Aug 4, 2019 10:03:02 GMT
Here we go again. Jones NEEDS 3 seasons and 5 windows to turn us into Luton Isnt this what the Choirboys wanted ?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 4, 2019 10:04:51 GMT
Unless we're relegated, a minimum of two years. What's the point in investing in a long term project if you just sack everybody when it doesn't immediately work? I don't think you can say that. It obviously depends on results and results only. If at the end of September we are bottom and 5 points adrift, then there won't be ANYBODY claiming that we should keep him.
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Post by danceswithclams on Aug 4, 2019 10:08:25 GMT
Isnt this what the Choirboys wanted ? The 80s rock band?
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