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Post by mickstupp on Oct 7, 2020 8:39:55 GMT
We can’t shift Bauer or Wimmer though can we? I’m sure he’d rather get rid of those two off the wage bill first but there’s no takers. What have we done to Austria to deserve these two! God knows what’s going to happen to them pair now. It appears that we literally couldn’t give them away. Both very high earners as well which is a real killer.
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Oct 7, 2020 8:43:24 GMT
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Post by werrington on Oct 7, 2020 8:43:24 GMT
I’d love to find that post last year from one poster who showed it was financially more sense to loan than sell at a reduced price as a contract runs down for those who are obsessing that it’s a loan rather than a fee
Anybody?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2020 8:48:43 GMT
Fox has played 2 games as left CB and been fine defensively.
A lot of teams play with converted fullbacks as left or right CB in a 3 for the added pace as they are often going to get pulled out into fullback positions.
BMI was fine until left isolated against a pacy wide forward/winger. He then looked like he was running through treacle.
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Oct 7, 2020 8:50:10 GMT
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Post by somersetstokie on Oct 7, 2020 8:50:10 GMT
We can’t shift Bauer or Wimmer though can we? I’m sure he’d rather get rid of those two off the wage bill first but there’s no takers. What have we done to Austria to deserve these two! You would think that being Austrian, these two guys might have some popularity and appeal in their own country, as national figures. Therefore we would have presumably hoped for interest, especially on loan with our fantastic no fee deals, from someone like Rapid Vienna, Red Bull or Sturm Graz.
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Oct 7, 2020 8:51:20 GMT
Post by crapslinger on Oct 7, 2020 8:51:20 GMT
What have we done to Austria to deserve these two! God knows what’s going to happen to them pair now. It appears that we literally couldn’t give them away. Both very high earners as well which is a real killer. Nothing wrong with the process
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Oct 7, 2020 8:52:34 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Oct 7, 2020 8:52:34 GMT
What have we done to Austria to deserve these two! You would think that being Austrian, these two guys might have some popularity and appeal in their own country, as national figures. Therefore we would have presumably hoped for interest, especially on loan with our fantastic no fee deals, from someone like Rapid Vienna, Red Bull or Sturm Graz. It’s their astronomical salaries that are the problem though clearly. Even on a loan we are talking £1.5 million pounds a year in wages each. It’s far too much to pay for two extremely poor players, especially in the current climate.
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Oct 7, 2020 8:53:50 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Oct 7, 2020 8:53:50 GMT
God knows what’s going to happen to them pair now. It appears that we literally couldn’t give them away. Both very high earners as well which is a real killer. Nothing wrong with the process It’s not a unique problem for Stoke. Lots of clubs have fallen out of the Premier League and had this issue with dead wood players.
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Oct 7, 2020 8:57:13 GMT
Post by crapslinger on Oct 7, 2020 8:57:13 GMT
I’d love to find that post last year from one poster who showed it was financially more sense to loan than sell at a reduced price as a contract runs down for those who are obsessing that it’s a loan rather than a fee Anybody? Interesting theory and a sure fire way of bankrupting any club, buy high on long contracts with high salaries then loan them out instead of selling them and recouping anything at all on your original outlay it's the way forward.
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Oct 7, 2020 8:58:03 GMT
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Post by gingerninja on Oct 7, 2020 8:58:03 GMT
I think this quick fire departure highlights that there could be more quick fire transfer activity in the remainder of this window than many of us thought.
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Post by crapslinger on Oct 7, 2020 9:02:03 GMT
You would think that being Austrian, these two guys might have some popularity and appeal in their own country, as national figures. Therefore we would have presumably hoped for interest, especially on loan with our fantastic no fee deals, from someone like Rapid Vienna, Red Bull or Sturm Graz. It’s their astronomical salaries that are the problem though clearly. Even on a loan we are talking £1.5 million pounds a year in wages each. It’s far too much to pay for two extremely poor players, especially in the current climate. Makes you wonder why we signed them in the first place on massive salaries.
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Oct 7, 2020 9:03:30 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Oct 7, 2020 9:03:30 GMT
I think this quick fire departure highlights that there could be more quick fire transfer activity in the remainder of this window than many of us thought. I think you could be right. No match day income for the foreseeable future, a bloated squad and huge wage bill. We have several unwanted players on massive contracts that we clearly cannot shift because no one wants them. It’s time to get real unfortunately.
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Oct 7, 2020 9:05:23 GMT
Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2020 9:05:23 GMT
I think this quick fire departure highlights that there could be more quick fire transfer activity in the remainder of this window than many of us thought. I also think people need to get their heads around the possibility that some first teamers that we might not want to go, may have to go. Personally think Campbell will go. He has been almost relegated to the Cup side overnight just like Bruno was. Also think McClean might go. Clucas is the dark horse for me. He will have takers domestically for sure and there is something more than the obvious in this Tymon into midfield IMO.
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Oct 7, 2020 9:12:52 GMT
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Post by Championship Potter on Oct 7, 2020 9:12:52 GMT
How much is Chester on? Hard to give MON much slack on this when he’s signed an inferior player on presumably big wages in the same position.
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Oct 7, 2020 9:23:28 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Oct 7, 2020 9:23:28 GMT
How much is Chester on? Hard to give MON much slack on this when he’s signed an inferior player on presumably big wages in the same position. I’d say he’s on significantly less than Bruno was/is. The key thing here though is that the club would have wanted to release several other players first but no one has wanted to take them off us.
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Oct 7, 2020 9:23:39 GMT
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Post by gingerninja on Oct 7, 2020 9:23:39 GMT
I can see Wilks of Hull & Sturridge being recruited.
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Oct 7, 2020 9:25:33 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Oct 7, 2020 9:25:33 GMT
I can see Wilks of Hull & Sturridge being recruited. No more incomings until several others are shifted off the wage bill first.
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Oct 7, 2020 9:30:21 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Oct 7, 2020 9:30:21 GMT
I’d love to find that post last year from one poster who showed it was financially more sense to loan than sell at a reduced price as a contract runs down for those who are obsessing that it’s a loan rather than a fee Anybody? It's not financially more sense it might make more sense for FFP reasons in that the tranafer fee loss is spread over 2-3 years instead of taking a hit in 1 year but in real world actual cash better to sell, take the loss and stop paying the wages. I am sure the club will watch for any relaxation of FFP and if there is any write off all the dead wood it can.
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Oct 7, 2020 9:32:55 GMT
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Post by gingerninja on Oct 7, 2020 9:32:55 GMT
I am not sure McClean will go now as Celtic seemed to be a possible destination and that ship has sailed.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 7, 2020 10:07:24 GMT
Another out on loan with no fee no doubt Tony . I'm sure if you know of a team willing to pay he'd happily take your call.
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Post by pez75 on Oct 7, 2020 10:07:50 GMT
Thanks Bruno, I for one appreciated your tenure. Until yesterday you were the best CH at the club with the possible exception of the 2 young uns who are ascending rapidly, and you also did a fine job at LB under trying circumstances.
4 years is a long time at a club you were supposedly so desperate to get away from.
Unfortunately your departure has significantly upped the probability of seeing more of Chester and/or Batth dropping clangers every week. All the best in Holland!
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Oct 7, 2020 10:08:41 GMT
Post by boskampsflaps on Oct 7, 2020 10:08:41 GMT
I’d love to find that post last year from one poster who showed it was financially more sense to loan than sell at a reduced price as a contract runs down for those who are obsessing that it’s a loan rather than a fee Anybody? Its just amortisation I think.
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Oct 7, 2020 10:11:43 GMT
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Post by JoeinOz on Oct 7, 2020 10:11:43 GMT
We got Loek Ursem off them.
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Oct 7, 2020 10:15:57 GMT
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Post by werrington on Oct 7, 2020 10:15:57 GMT
We got Loek Ursem off them. Urso?
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Post by chiswickpotter on Oct 7, 2020 10:30:22 GMT
I’d love to find that post last year from one poster who showed it was financially more sense to loan than sell at a reduced price as a contract runs down for those who are obsessing that it’s a loan rather than a fee Anybody? If we had sold Wimmer for free last year and no doubt still had to subsidise his wages we would almost certainly have breached FFP and been fined twelve points. Even now it is better to pay him and spread the remaining wages and write off over as long a period as we can.
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Post by nottsover60 on Oct 7, 2020 10:40:26 GMT
I think this quick fire departure highlights that there could be more quick fire transfer activity in the remainder of this window than many of us thought. I'm not quite so sure it was quick fire just because nobody saw it coming. He has nearly left us twice and I think the club and O'Neill appreciate his professional attitude in continuing to train and play at his best. I thought it was strange that he was playing so well in the cup but not getting a look in in the league. Perhaps we knew he would go this time and what a nice gesture to make him captain of the young cup team. As someone said probably his best performance for us was against Villa. What a good way of ending your career at a club. Good luck Bruno.
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Post by chiswickpotter on Oct 7, 2020 10:57:18 GMT
I’d love to find that post last year from one poster who showed it was financially more sense to loan than sell at a reduced price as a contract runs down for those who are obsessing that it’s a loan rather than a fee Anybody? Here’s an estimate. He cost £18 million on a 5 year deal and will cost about £4m in wages and national insurance etc. Let’s assume we wrote his value down by £8 m on relegation so his annual amortisation is £2 m a year (£10m/5). If we had let him go for free last season (and remember he went to Belgium which is not a rich league so no chance of a fee), we would have had to write off £6 m, the 3 years at £2 m a season. Plus they would be unlikely to pay him more than £500k a season so we would have to stump up £12m less 3 years of £500k assuming they have him a 4 year deal. That would be a £16.5 m write off In one year rather than £5.5m (£2m + £4m less the £500k wage contribution on loan). I reckon the £11m difference would have taken us beyond the FFP limit. Better to take a £6m a year hit for 3 seasons and hope we get some Loan income
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Oct 7, 2020 10:58:15 GMT
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Post by sportsman on Oct 7, 2020 10:58:15 GMT
Made my day this. Couldn't stand BMI. In fact for last year or two bloody hated the useless git. Turning circle of an ocean liner and generally bloody useless. Thank god.
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Oct 7, 2020 11:11:33 GMT
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Post by Championship Potter on Oct 7, 2020 11:11:33 GMT
How much is Chester on? Hard to give MON much slack on this when he’s signed an inferior player on presumably big wages in the same position. I’d say he’s on significantly less than Bruno was/is. The key thing here though is that the club would have wanted to release several other players first but no one has wanted to take them off us. Either way, it’s terrible planning. We’ve just worsened our starting 11 because we couldn’t plan our incomings/outgoings effectively.
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Oct 7, 2020 11:19:13 GMT
Post by crapslinger on Oct 7, 2020 11:19:13 GMT
Made my day this. Couldn't stand BMI. In fact for last year or two bloody hated the useless git. Turning circle of an ocean liner and generally bloody useless. Thank god. Thank God we signed James Chester to replace him
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Post by dirtygary69 on Oct 7, 2020 11:31:36 GMT
Probably up there amongst the most disappointing signings we made whilst in the PL. Plenty of pedigree and a supposed Holland international but was often made to look crap by bang average Championship players. Didn't show his best anywhere nearly enough, even if he started this season quite well.
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