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Oct 6, 2020 22:03:00 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Oct 6, 2020 22:03:00 GMT
Before the Derby debacle last season Lindsay started 7 games under MON, we won 4, drew 2 and lost 1 we should have won at Middlesbrough. Would he be that much of a disaster on the left side of a back three? No, he’s ok as back up.
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Oct 6, 2020 22:05:42 GMT
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Post by andystokey on Oct 6, 2020 22:05:42 GMT
Before the Derby debacle last season Lindsay started 7 games under MON, we won 4, drew 2 and lost 1 we should have won at Middlesbrough. Would he be that much of a disaster on the left side of a back three? Lindsay is the only player capable of being a true left sided CB in the squad. I dont buy that Fox is a CB on any planet despite the fact he has been shoehorned in there. Every other CB on our books is right sided without exception, regardless of appearances in that role. Wimmer is the only other player with a left foot, it can't be him. Unless he's going back to a flat 4 any 3 as it stands now at 23:00 our squad is weaker. We must be expecting a PL loan to fill that hole.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2020 22:06:00 GMT
He’s on massive money - and isn’t exactly a superstar.
I know for a fact what money he’s on (got close links to the local press) and it made me wince. Allen, Butland, Ryan, Bauer and Bruno on prem wages.
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Oct 6, 2020 22:06:26 GMT
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Oct 6, 2020 22:06:26 GMT
Direct that one to the board they said it last month direct quote Albeit i suspect the point they are making is all football resulted staff including the management team Report to him and theirs he is ultimately responsible for for their success or failure and for creating the environment in which they work and the resources they have at their disposal and setting the direction they travel . Just what a Chief executive is paid 800k does He is absolutely responsible for this decision and the consequences it has on all his employees . They've also said the manager gets final say on ALL transfers but you seem to be ignoring that. Which bit Of the chief executive has executive responsibility for all football related matter is ambiguous .? It’s orety clear to me otherwise it would have said all football related matters except transfers
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Oct 6, 2020 22:10:16 GMT
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Post by wearestoke80 on Oct 6, 2020 22:10:16 GMT
Before the Derby debacle last season Lindsay started 7 games under MON, we won 4, drew 2 and lost 1 we should have won at Middlesbrough. Would he be that much of a disaster on the left side of a back three? We don’t have any other choice now but to go with Lindsay
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Post by lordb on Oct 6, 2020 22:15:35 GMT
He’s on massive money - and isn’t exactly a superstar. I know for a fact what money he’s on (got close links to the local press) and it made me wince. Allen, Butland, Ryan, Bauer and Bruno on prem wages. Which is why earlier assertions that we should be selling him ft a decent fee are out of kilter with reality The only players we are going to get decent fees for are the promising youngsters who we all want to keep It's going to be years before we actually get decent fees for players we don't want to keep
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Oct 6, 2020 22:16:42 GMT
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Post by lordb on Oct 6, 2020 22:16:42 GMT
Before the Derby debacle last season Lindsay started 7 games under MON, we won 4, drew 2 and lost 1 we should have won at Middlesbrough. Would he be that much of a disaster on the left side of a back three? We don’t have any other choice now but to go with Lindsay Chester,Baath and even Fox have all played at the back and regularly kept clean sheets since Leeds Lyndsey is behind all of them
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Post by bgreen13 on Oct 6, 2020 22:17:20 GMT
Before the Derby debacle last season Lindsay started 7 games under MON, we won 4, drew 2 and lost 1 we should have won at Middlesbrough. Would he be that much of a disaster on the left side of a back three? We don’t have any other choice now but to go with Lindsay Go to bed you're hysterical.
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Oct 6, 2020 22:26:15 GMT
Post by blackpoolred on Oct 6, 2020 22:26:15 GMT
If it is for FFP then fair enough.
If he did not want to play for us then good riddance - we are however shockingly low on viable defensive options and this has not made it any better.
I suppose the club now have to look at the number of players they have in one position and get rid if they think we are overstocked - what they have not done here is look at the viable/quality options they are left with: Collins - unknown at this level, Batth - not good enough if we want to push up the table, Shawx - probably won't play another game for us. That just leaves us hoping Souttar can continue with his good form and Chester does not pick up an injury.
That said from the clubs perspective they are paying a fortune for Shawx and will hope he can make a comeback and I suppose they have to have faith in the youngsters in these times of FFP - until we can get rid of all the shite on our books - talking of shite we still also have Wilmer on our books too
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Post by roylandstoke on Oct 6, 2020 22:29:39 GMT
BMI is a better player than both Fox and Chester. Could we have financed his wage by leaving those 2 at their old clubs?
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Oct 6, 2020 22:30:55 GMT
Post by spitthedog on Oct 6, 2020 22:30:55 GMT
We don’t have any other choice now but to go with Lindsay Chester,Baath and even Fox have all played at the back and regularly kept clean sheets since Leeds Lyndsey is behind all of them Fox never played as a CB in his career until he came to Stoke.
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Oct 6, 2020 22:32:36 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2020 22:32:36 GMT
Before the Derby debacle last season Lindsay started 7 games under MON, we won 4, drew 2 and lost 1 we should have won at Middlesbrough. Would he be that much of a disaster on the left side of a back three? Lindsay is the only player capable of being a true left sided CB in the squad. I dont buy that Fox is a CB on any planet despite the fact he has been shoehorned in there. Every other CB on our books is right sided without exception, regardless of appearances in that role. Wimmer is the only other player with a left foot, it can't be him. Unless he's going back to a flat 4 any 3 as it stands now at 23:00 our squad is weaker. We must be expecting a PL loan to fill that hole. I'm convinced we will eventually go to a four. Why else buy a solid left back (Fox)? I think O'Neill was banking on Shawcross getting fit and playing him with one of the youngsters. Now that is looking unlikely I don't think he trusts any of them as a pair. On paper Collins and Souttar sounds great but no manager is going to play them together in the league. If things go wrong it could ruin them. If we can sell Lyndsay and loan Collins out to get game time (look how much Souttar has come on). Maybe we can bring in a decent prem loan CB to play with Souttar?
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Oct 6, 2020 22:37:29 GMT
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Post by mickstupp on Oct 6, 2020 22:37:29 GMT
The reality of FFP and Covid is starting to bite. We have too many central defenders, and as a high earner unfortunately he’s surplus to requirements. He’s a good player but struggled to adapt to life in the championship so it not a disaster.
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Oct 6, 2020 22:39:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2020 22:39:08 GMT
BMI is a better player than both Fox and Chester. Could we have financed his wage by leaving those 2 at their old clubs? Fox is a better left back than Indi. It's not his fault he has been played out of position as a wing back and left sided CB.
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Oct 6, 2020 22:43:30 GMT
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Post by callas12 on Oct 6, 2020 22:43:30 GMT
He probably wanted to go back to his home nation. Stoke wishing him well so probably wasn’t being a dick about it. I like Bruno but it will be a lot off the wage bill & we’ve got plenty of CB cover This is exactly what I've been thinking. Perhaps its the case that BMI hung around to complete last season & start this season as a favour to the club or perhaps MoN himself with the agreement that when the timing was right for both player & club that he be allowed to move on & MoN has now sanctioned a move if it suited BMI. He's headed back to Holland so perhaps the guy just wanted to be back nearer home or his family for personal reasons! Some people forget that footballers do have families to consider & the world doesn't just evolve around what goes on at the club we all mull over with fine detail. It likely transpires its purely personal reasons BMI has moved on & theres people who always try to find an agenda or make something up because it suits their narrative!
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Post by andystokey on Oct 6, 2020 22:47:30 GMT
Lindsay is the only player capable of being a true left sided CB in the squad. I dont buy that Fox is a CB on any planet despite the fact he has been shoehorned in there. Every other CB on our books is right sided without exception, regardless of appearances in that role. Wimmer is the only other player with a left foot, it can't be him. Unless he's going back to a flat 4 any 3 as it stands now at 23:00 our squad is weaker. We must be expecting a PL loan to fill that hole. I'm convinced we will eventually go to a four. Why else buy a solid left back (Fox)? I think O'Neill was banking on Shawcross getting fit and playing him with one of the youngsters. Now that is looking unlikely I don't think he trusts any of them as a pair. On paper Collins and Souttar sounds great but no manager is going to play them together in the league. If things go wrong it could ruin them. If we can sell Lyndsay and loan Collins out to get game time (look how much Souttar has come on). Maybe we can bring in a decent prem loan CB to play with Souttar? I understand your point but I'd have no problem in playing Collins and Souttar between Smith and Fox. Baath and Chester are perfectly good cover, I think Collins gets better experience here if he is allowed to play. I think he is as good as Ryan was when he played in 2007/08 promotion season (41 apps) and only about a year younger.
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Post by spitthedog on Oct 6, 2020 22:48:29 GMT
BMI is a better player than both Fox and Chester. Could we have financed his wage by leaving those 2 at their old clubs? Fox is a better left back than Indi. It's not his fault he has been played out of position as a wing back and left sided CB. We will have to see. I'm not convinced tbh. It's worth noting that Fox has had only one decent season as a LB in his whole career and he is now 27, the rest have been a bit of a disaster. Speak to any Charlton or Wednesday fan. He's definitely cheaper though.
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Oct 6, 2020 22:59:10 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2020 22:59:10 GMT
I'm convinced we will eventually go to a four. Why else buy a solid left back (Fox)? I think O'Neill was banking on Shawcross getting fit and playing him with one of the youngsters. Now that is looking unlikely I don't think he trusts any of them as a pair. On paper Collins and Souttar sounds great but no manager is going to play them together in the league. If things go wrong it could ruin them. If we can sell Lyndsay and loan Collins out to get game time (look how much Souttar has come on). Maybe we can bring in a decent prem loan CB to play with Souttar? I understand your point but I'd have no problem in playing Collins and Souttar between Smith and Fox. Baath and Chester are perfectly good cover, I think Collins gets better experience here if he is allowed to play. I think he is as good as Ryan was when he played in 2007/08 promotion season (41 apps) and only about a year younger. You are probably right. Is the manager brave enough though? I would like him to try it and hope we as a fans could show some patience, but I doubt it.
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Oct 6, 2020 23:40:41 GMT
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Post by generationex on Oct 6, 2020 23:40:41 GMT
Will we ever again sell one of Mark Hughes’ signings?
Sick of loaning players with no guarantee the new club is even paying their wages beyond a token gesture. It’s bollocks.
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Post by s7oke on Oct 7, 2020 4:01:57 GMT
Why Scholes, he doesn't have final say, maybe no one was willing to buy him and the manager still wanted him gone, either way this has to mean we go to a back four because we have even less that can play the back three now. He’s the CEO that has led us into this mess and can’t even sell the fucker. I agree Bayern but I can’t help thinking that the root of our problems was Cartwright and that Scholes is guilty of being too naive in trusting him The next couple of years will tell us I am afraid I hope that I am correct in this theory and Scholes redeems himself somewhat. But don’t hold your breath It’s just that everything seemed to be wrong with Cartwright. But yes Scholes is culpable
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Oct 7, 2020 4:07:35 GMT
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Post by s7oke on Oct 7, 2020 4:07:35 GMT
Fucking ridiculous. Means Fox will be first choice LCB. Really not impressed with this. Unless smith moves over and Edwards makes a return Or dare I say it Lyndsey is still on the cards 😱
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Oct 7, 2020 5:00:27 GMT
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Post by Cast no shadow on Oct 7, 2020 5:00:27 GMT
The reality of FFP and Covid is starting to bite. We have too many central defenders, and as a high earner unfortunately he’s surplus to requirements. He’s a good player but struggled to adapt to life in the championship so it not a disaster. Yeah too many cbs, so he signs Chester then also signs a lb and plays him cb as well.
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 7, 2020 6:09:37 GMT
Most People have been calling for BMI departure for ages The only reason some are upset is his replacement is just as wank
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Oct 7, 2020 6:17:22 GMT
Post by chumley on Oct 7, 2020 6:17:22 GMT
It’ll be interesting to see what happens next summer when he’ll still have a year left I'll put you put of your misery, he will be back as they all are, AZ will decline the buying option as they all have.
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Oct 7, 2020 6:28:36 GMT
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Post by potter1989 on Oct 7, 2020 6:28:36 GMT
Arsenals William Saliba being rumoured to a championship club in loan, could that be us?
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Oct 7, 2020 6:40:15 GMT
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Post by Gods on Oct 7, 2020 6:40:15 GMT
What's the latest on Ryan?
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Oct 7, 2020 6:40:49 GMT
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Post by chiswickpotter on Oct 7, 2020 6:40:49 GMT
1. Bruno has been rumoured as wanting to go since relegation. 2. He will be one of our higher earners. 3. No one wants the players we do not want. 4. FFP means we must get our wage bill down somehow. 5. We have two great young centre backs coming through at the club and have signed an actual left back. Reality bites........ And transfer spending across Europe is down nearly £2 Billion. Sometimes needs must especially when we have 8 centre backs and 3 right backs. Not shifting Bauer and Wimmer probably meant we had to do what we could
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Oct 7, 2020 6:56:19 GMT
Post by FullerMagic on Oct 7, 2020 6:56:19 GMT
The only real issue is the apparent plan to replace him with a left-back who's never really played in the position.
If we're going to loan someone in, fair enough.
But if it's a case of Morgan Fox playing the next 40 games there (possibly understudied by Lindsay who hasn't played January), that's surely a bit baffling.
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Oct 7, 2020 6:58:56 GMT
Post by citynickscfc on Oct 7, 2020 6:58:56 GMT
Wanted away, but remained professional. Fair enough, bye Bruno, hope Collins can come through now
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Post by jonnybravo on Oct 7, 2020 7:00:39 GMT
Bruno has wanted to leave since relegation,we've got too many players and need to get rid
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