Car Cruising Crash

[bathstoke]

Bang on queue, just as it’s been proposed that young driver be given a curfew 11pm - 7am, this happens:-

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-49041165

I once knew a joyrider from Brizol, but other than him saying it was a ‘buzz’, I never got it.

But I’m not a petrolhead ⛽️

[estrangedsonoffaye]

Surely more learning/testing regarding driving at night would be more effective than blanket banning young people from driving that potentially compromises income and jobs?

[bathstoke]

Not sure you can teach common sense to an egomaniac...

[elystokie]

Jul 19, 2019 10:04:39 GMT bathstoke said:

Not sure you can teach common sense to an egomaniac...

East Anglia's roads are littered with roadside tributes to young drivers that thought they could drive better than they could, I don't think they'd listen no matter who was telling them.

If they need to drive throughout the night for work they could get a permit.

[felonious]

Jul 19, 2019 10:22:52 GMT elystokie said:

Jul 19, 2019 10:04:39 GMT bathstoke said:

Not sure you can teach common sense to an egomaniac...

East Anglia's roads are littered with roadside tributes to young drivers that thought they could drive better than they could, I don't think they'd listen no matter who was telling them.

If they need to drive throughout the night for work they could get a permit.

My lad is 21 and regularly does a shift that finishes at One in the morning. He's a sensible driver. His mates seem like sensible drivers as well.

Prosecute the lunatics to the full but don't penalise the sensible young drivers.

[elystokie]

Jul 19, 2019 10:46:43 GMT felonious said:

Jul 19, 2019 10:22:52 GMT elystokie said:

East Anglia's roads are littered with roadside tributes to young drivers that thought they could drive better than they could, I don't think they'd listen no matter who was telling them.

If they need to drive throughout the night for work they could get a permit.

My lad is 21 and regularly does a shift that finishes at One in the morning. He's a sensible driver. His mates seem like sensible drivers as well.

Prosecute the lunatics to the full but don't penalise the sensible young drivers.

Is it that much of a penalty? Maybe it is, I suppose if I were in their position I'd consider it an injustice if I'm honest.

I just found it very, very sad when I lived down there, seemed to be new bouquets in new places every other week some times, nearly always young lads and/or their mates/girlfriends.

I'm quite thankful my eldest isn't interested in car ownership if I'm honest, youngest has no choice due to an eye condition - I'd happily bet he can see better than most pensioners driving around but that's another matter.

[rivival]

A test that a monkey could pass, no proper reaction or aptitude test (not everyone is born to drive) and those that do drive well at a young age are still made to pay extortionate rates for insurance.

Better training is the number one cure for most crashes including night time, bad weather and motorway training.

Better rewards for driving safely, Bad drivers could be priced off the roads and rightly so in my opinion.

Restrict engine power graduated in over a 5 year period. It's harder to be a dick head in a 1.0 no amount of money that mummy and daddy have should be allowed to circumnavigate this rule. An automatic gearbox for the first two years would help in my opinion.

Lastly I'm 59 this year and despite having a decent driving record I'd support refresher tests at 60, 70 and 80 then every 5 years after that.

[chigstoke]

Jul 19, 2019 11:22:25 GMT rivival said:

A test that a monkey could pass, no proper reaction or aptitude test (not everyone is born to drive) and those that do drive well at a young age are still made to pay extortionate rates for insurance.

Better training is the number one cure for most crashes including night time, bad weather and motorway training.

Better rewards for driving safely, Bad drivers could be priced off the roads and rightly so in my opinion.

Restrict engine power graduated in over a 5 year period. It's harder to be a dick head in a 1.0 no amount of money that mummy and daddy have should be allowed to circumnavigate this rule. An automatic gearbox for the first two years would help in my opinion.

Lastly I'm 59 this year and despite having a decent driving record I'd support refresher tests at 60, 70 and 80 then every 5 years after that.

You're not the only one to argue about restricting power output on cars based on how long you've been passed on this forum.

This very point came up a few months ago, and I still hold the same opinion now. And that is you cannot do that.

You can't judge all people in their first 5 years of driving to be bellends. We don't all rag our motors around and crash into everyone and everything.

It's not hard to be a dick head in a 1.0 either. 0-60 in 11 seconds doesn't matter, you can still do some terrific damage in a Corsa or a Peugeot 107.

I've been passed now 2 years 4 months, I drive a 220bhp motor. So do you think I shouldn't be allowed to drive that or should have that restricted on me?

Now on your training points. I agree with them all that lessons in those conditions and scenarios should be mandatory. I do know Pass Plus exists for M'Way driving however.

[Northy]

I know the road well, Im in Stevenage quite often, back there next week, the road leads up to the football ground, past Mcdonalds, Burer King, Nandos etc.

[bathstoke]

Jul 19, 2019 10:22:52 GMT elystokie said:

Jul 19, 2019 10:04:39 GMT bathstoke said:

Not sure you can teach common sense to an egomaniac...

East Anglia's roads are littered with roadside tributes to young drivers that thought they could drive better than they could, I don't think they'd listen no matter who was telling them.

If they need to drive throughout the night for work they could get a permit.

I can’t think of anything more dull than watching a load of over privileged kids wheelspinning up&down an A road.
But neither do I get kids watching bigger kids on Utube(who are old enough to know better)playing Minecraft...

[rivival]

Jul 19, 2019 11:58:03 GMT chigstoke said:

Jul 19, 2019 11:22:25 GMT rivival said:

A test that a monkey could pass, no proper reaction or aptitude test (not everyone is born to drive) and those that do drive well at a young age are still made to pay extortionate rates for insurance.

Better training is the number one cure for most crashes including night time, bad weather and motorway training.

Better rewards for driving safely, Bad drivers could be priced off the roads and rightly so in my opinion.

Restrict engine power graduated in over a 5 year period. It's harder to be a dick head in a 1.0 no amount of money that mummy and daddy have should be allowed to circumnavigate this rule. An automatic gearbox for the first two years would help in my opinion.

Lastly I'm 59 this year and despite having a decent driving record I'd support refresher tests at 60, 70 and 80 then every 5 years after that.

You're not the only one to argue about restricting power output on cars based on how long you've been passed on this forum.

This very point came up a few months ago, and I still hold the same opinion now. And that is you cannot do that.

You can't judge all people in their first 5 years of driving to be bellends. We don't all rag our motors around and crash into everyone and everything.

It's not hard to be a dick head in a 1.0 either. 0-60 in 11 seconds doesn't matter, you can still do some terrific damage in a Corsa or a Peugeot 107.

I've been passed now 2 years 4 months, I drive a 220bhp motor. So do you think I shouldn't be allowed to drive that or should have that restricted on me?

Now on your training points. I agree with them all that lessons in those conditions and scenarios should be mandatory. I do know Pass Plus exists for M'Way driving however.

I've been passed now 2 years 4 months, I drive a 220bhp motor. So do you think I shouldn't be allowed to drive that or should have that restricted on me?

Yeh way too much.  But have you done your two years with zero accidents and zero speeding offences? If so then well done, you have the right aptitude to drive. Sadly you are in a tiny minority and the restrictions would catch the vast majority.  It might not be fair but it is by far the most effective. 

0-60 in 11 seconds is pretty average now. I bet your 220bhp does it more like 7.5 secs and that is quick with a 140-150mph top end. You don't do that in a Corsa (or the wheels fall off)

I drive a 180BHP BM 1 series and that is 0-60 in 7.8 and 140 mph top end not that we ever use it. I'm happy my young daughter doesn't have it though her Hyundai i30 with 90bhp and 13 secs 0-60 is plenty as she has already had an accident in her first two years.

Your reward for driving sensible will come with cheaper insurance and the ability to have a faster car as I forgot to add people who drive the slower cars badly would NEVER graduate to a faster one if it was up to me.

Grandson is 15 now by the time he passes his test cars will drive themselves and be fully speed restricted depending on the road. TBH it can't come soon enough.

[chigstoke]

Jul 19, 2019 18:50:43 GMT rivival said:

Jul 19, 2019 11:58:03 GMT chigstoke said:

You're not the only one to argue about restricting power output on cars based on how long you've been passed on this forum.

This very point came up a few months ago, and I still hold the same opinion now. And that is you cannot do that.

You can't judge all people in their first 5 years of driving to be bellends. We don't all rag our motors around and crash into everyone and everything.

It's not hard to be a dick head in a 1.0 either. 0-60 in 11 seconds doesn't matter, you can still do some terrific damage in a Corsa or a Peugeot 107.

I've been passed now 2 years 4 months, I drive a 220bhp motor. So do you think I shouldn't be allowed to drive that or should have that restricted on me?

Now on your training points. I agree with them all that lessons in those conditions and scenarios should be mandatory. I do know Pass Plus exists for M'Way driving however.

I've been passed now 2 years 4 months, I drive a 220bhp motor. So do you think I shouldn't be allowed to drive that or should have that restricted on me?

Yeh way too much.  But have you done your two years with zero accidents and zero speeding offences? If so then well done, you have the right aptitude to drive. Sadly you are in a tiny minority and the restrictions would catch the vast majority.  It might not be fair but it is by far the most effective. 

0-60 in 11 seconds is pretty average now. I bet your 220bhp does it more like 7.5 secs and that is quick with a 140-150mph top end. You don't do that in a Corsa (or the wheels fall off)

I drive a 180BHP BM 1 series and that is 0-60 in 7.8 and 140 mph top end not that we ever use it. I'm happy my young daughter doesn't have it though her Hyundai i30 with 90bhp and 13 secs 0-60 is plenty as she has already had an accident in her first two years.

Your reward for driving sensible will come with cheaper insurance and the ability to have a faster car as I forgot to add people who drive the slower cars badly would NEVER graduate to a faster one if it was up to me.

Grandson is 15 now by the time he passes his test cars will drive themselves and be fully speed restricted depending on the road. TBH it can't come soon enough.

No speeding offences at all. I always stick to the speed limit and use my power wisely. I've got the power, but I don't attempt to race red lights or other drivers. No interest in that and no interest in losing my license.
As for accidents, was rear ended once and now one claim ongoing still with no decision either way. Certainly the rear end wasn't my fault, the second one me and the insurer are more than likely putting down to part bad judgment on my side, and part excessive speeding on the others drivers side.

So note the 2nd incident was nothing to do with my speed or acceleration, but rather a shit pull out on my end and boy racing on the other driver.

Quicker than 7.5, if I really go for it (and I have done once on a deserted industrial estate road) I can get it in 6.8 seconds. I have to admit, it's a real thrill when you give it all in sport mode, helped by the fact the exhaust note and the popping is gorgeous. 

My first car was a Clio which was 0-60 the same time as your daughters i30 so I get the whole thing of starting off with a low power car for the first car. It was after 9 months I then had an upgrade to a Cooper Diesel which was 0-60 in 8.5.

Think we're still a fair bit from self driving yet though. If he's 15 now, and say passes at 18-20, we still need the tech to become cheaper first. And I can't see Tesla, Lexus et al. making a cheap hatchback with that tech at the moment.

[Deleted]

I would challenge anyone who has said that they have not broken the speed limit..on another subject though, i see they want to increase fines for people not wearing a seat belt, i don't see the issue myself in most circumstances, i mean if you have a crash who else are you going to harm?? unless doing some stupid speed not applicable for the drivers experience or road conditions.

[callas12]

Jul 19, 2019 19:52:05 GMT @zenith said:

I would challenge anyone who has said that they have not broken the speed limit..on another subject though, i see they want to increase fines for people not wearing a seat belt, i don't see the issue myself in most circumstances, i mean if you have a crash who else are you going to harm?? unless doing some stupid speed not applicable for the drivers experience or road conditions.

You question who else are you going to harm if crash without wearing a seatbelt. Well someone's got to come & pick the pieces up from the aftermath for starters so that wouldnt be pleasant for them to do if someones heads poked through the windscreen as they weren't restrained..

& then that persons next of kin will either have to visit the scarred family member in hospital afterwards or worse still identify that person in the mortuary which wouldnt be a pretty sight either. So maybe not directly harmed but certainly emotionally scarred..

[chuffedstokie]

Jul 19, 2019 12:06:33 GMT Northy said:

I know the road well, Im in Stevenage quite often, back there next week, the road leads up to the football ground, past Mcdonalds, Burer King, Nandos etc.

Ditto. I also recognised it. Couldn't have picked a worse place for screwing around.

[bathstoke]

Jul 19, 2019 23:55:17 GMT chuffedstokie said:

Jul 19, 2019 12:06:33 GMT Northy said:

I know the road well, Im in Stevenage quite often, back there next week, the road leads up to the football ground, past Mcdonalds, Burer King, Nandos etc.

Ditto. I also recognised it. Couldn't have picked a worse place for screwing around.

A V Morbid curiosity

[rivival]

Jul 19, 2019 19:04:39 GMT chigstoke said:

Jul 19, 2019 18:50:43 GMT rivival said:

I've been passed now 2 years 4 months, I drive a 220bhp motor. So do you think I shouldn't be allowed to drive that or should have that restricted on me?

Yeh way too much.  But have you done your two years with zero accidents and zero speeding offences? If so then well done, you have the right aptitude to drive. Sadly you are in a tiny minority and the restrictions would catch the vast majority.  It might not be fair but it is by far the most effective. 

0-60 in 11 seconds is pretty average now. I bet your 220bhp does it more like 7.5 secs and that is quick with a 140-150mph top end. You don't do that in a Corsa (or the wheels fall off)

I drive a 180BHP BM 1 series and that is 0-60 in 7.8 and 140 mph top end not that we ever use it. I'm happy my young daughter doesn't have it though her Hyundai i30 with 90bhp and 13 secs 0-60 is plenty as she has already had an accident in her first two years.

Your reward for driving sensible will come with cheaper insurance and the ability to have a faster car as I forgot to add people who drive the slower cars badly would NEVER graduate to a faster one if it was up to me.

Grandson is 15 now by the time he passes his test cars will drive themselves and be fully speed restricted depending on the road. TBH it can't come soon enough.

No speeding offences at all. I always stick to the speed limit and use my power wisely. I've got the power, but I don't attempt to race red lights or other drivers. No interest in that and no interest in losing my license.
As for accidents, was rear ended once and now one claim ongoing still with no decision either way. Certainly the rear end wasn't my fault, the second one me and the insurer are more than likely putting down to part bad judgment on my side, and part excessive speeding on the others drivers side.

So note the 2nd incident was nothing to do with my speed or acceleration, but rather a shit pull out on my end and boy racing on the other driver.

Quicker than 7.5, if I really go for it (and I have done once on a deserted industrial estate road) I can get it in 6.8 seconds. I have to admit, it's a real thrill when you give it all in sport mode, helped by the fact the exhaust note and the popping is gorgeous. 

My first car was a Clio which was 0-60 the same time as your daughters i30 so I get the whole thing of starting off with a low power car for the first car. It was after 9 months I then had an upgrade to a Cooper Diesel which was 0-60 in 8.5.

Think we're still a fair bit from self driving yet though. If he's 15 now, and say passes at 18-20, we still need the tech to become cheaper first. And I can't see Tesla, Lexus et al. making a cheap hatchback with that tech at the moment.

My first car was a Hillman imp Californian followed by a mk 1 Escort 1100 and a Mini. All my generation served their time in slow cars , we simply couldn't afford anything faster. If you couldn't drive with your right knee you were knackered as your left hand was on the manual choke and your right hand was scraping ice off the inside yep I said the inside of the windscreen especially on a mini. Regular heavy fog, black ice deep snow and biblical rain storms with rear wheel drive an no abs made it more like a survival course.

I passed my test on a day when the snow was 4 inches deep in Fenton. That weather has gone with Britain now being hot and tropical, cars are silent inside have abs and traction control power steering and are far easier to drive and yet the driving standards are much worse.

I get my thrills on my simulator on the pc I use a game called GTR Evolution, it is in my opinion the most realistic with thousands of free add ons I can drive pretty much any car on any track I like and what's more there are no speed traps or problems if I crash.

[chigstoke]

Jul 20, 2019 11:03:41 GMT rivival said:

Jul 19, 2019 19:04:39 GMT chigstoke said:

No speeding offences at all. I always stick to the speed limit and use my power wisely. I've got the power, but I don't attempt to race red lights or other drivers. No interest in that and no interest in losing my license.
As for accidents, was rear ended once and now one claim ongoing still with no decision either way. Certainly the rear end wasn't my fault, the second one me and the insurer are more than likely putting down to part bad judgment on my side, and part excessive speeding on the others drivers side.

So note the 2nd incident was nothing to do with my speed or acceleration, but rather a shit pull out on my end and boy racing on the other driver.

Quicker than 7.5, if I really go for it (and I have done once on a deserted industrial estate road) I can get it in 6.8 seconds. I have to admit, it's a real thrill when you give it all in sport mode, helped by the fact the exhaust note and the popping is gorgeous. 

My first car was a Clio which was 0-60 the same time as your daughters i30 so I get the whole thing of starting off with a low power car for the first car. It was after 9 months I then had an upgrade to a Cooper Diesel which was 0-60 in 8.5.

Think we're still a fair bit from self driving yet though. If he's 15 now, and say passes at 18-20, we still need the tech to become cheaper first. And I can't see Tesla, Lexus et al. making a cheap hatchback with that tech at the moment.

My first car was a Hillman imp Californian followed by a mk 1 Escort 1100 and a Mini. All my generation served their time in slow cars , we simply couldn't afford anything faster. If you couldn't drive with your right knee you were knackered as your left hand was on the manual choke and your right hand was scraping ice off the inside yep I said the inside of the windscreen especially on a mini. Regular heavy fog, black ice deep snow and biblical rain storms with rear wheel drive an no abs made it more like a survival course.

I passed my test on a day when the snow was 4 inches deep in Fenton. That weather has gone with Britain now being hot and tropical, cars are silent inside have abs and traction control power steering and are far easier to drive and yet the driving standards are much worse.

I get my thrills on my simulator on the pc I use a game called GTR Evolution, it is in my opinion the most realistic with thousands of free add ons I can drive pretty much any car on any track I like and what's more there are no speed traps or problems if I crash.

You should try iRacing and Project CARS 2 on your PC. I use a Logitech Driving Force Pro wheel and pedals on mine and I love it.

[rivival]

You should try iRacing and Project CARS 2 on your PC. I use a Logitech Driving Force Pro wheel and pedals on mine and I love it.

Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/288918/car-cruising-crash?page=1&scrollTo=6489753#ixzz5uEnOEUoi

Tried them both son has Project cars on VR grandson uses Iracing and Assetto none have the setup options and realism of GTR Evolution on 3 screens. Its good to be a PC nerd^


I've been using sims on PC for 20 years , pity they don't make people use them before they let them lose in a real car, would save a lot of time and money imo.