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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Aug 5, 2019 8:21:12 GMT
150 all out
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Post by chuckrocky on Aug 5, 2019 8:32:09 GMT
I wouldn’t even bother with a frontline spinner at Lords. I’d bring Archer in for Anderson, Curran for Ali and Foakes for Bairstow. I don’t see any changes for the second test other than those enforced by injury. This is in large part due to England’s admirable policy of consistency in selection so that players don’t feel like the sword of Damocles is permanently hanging over their heads. However, with England this strength has become their weakness because they overdo it and let players who deliver substandard performances over multiple series retain their place. This selection failing is compounded by muddled selections in the first place which means we don’t pick our best players for the positions they are going to play in meaning we end up with a shambles of a team that may deliver occasionally but on the whole performs poorly. I sincerely hope the main lesson our ODI success should have taught us is taken on by the test side namely pick the best team ie 5 top batsmen, an all rounder, a keeper, three quicks and a spinner. Sadly, I don’t think this lesson will be applied in this series - leastways not before it is too late (btw - you’ll see this when Foakes and Leach replace Bairstow and Ali respectively). I agree with the policy of giving players a chance to get into some form if they’re going through a bit of a rough patch. However I think Bairstow has a massive technical issue at the moment and needs to go back to Yorkshire and work on it over the winter. He’s making Ballance look proficient at playing the straight ball at the moment. I do think there’s a bit of a ‘mates’ culture in this England side at the moment. Players like Bairstow, Broad and Anderson seem to have way too much influence on things. It’s why I’ve always thought that the captain should have very little say on squad selection. It’s very easy to have your judgment clouded when it comes to down to having to tell one of your good mates that he hasn’t made the cut.
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Post by shrewspotter on Aug 5, 2019 8:59:56 GMT
227/4 when they shake hands on a draw later, that’s my prediction..... the pitch is doing too much imo, this will play into Lyons hands Honestly we’ve made a bit of a pigs ear in this test, selecting an unfit Anderson and out of form Ali and Bairstow, it’s easy in hindsight but we should have played Leach or Rashid and Sam Curran or Archer I can’t see us getting 200, I think we will be done by tea For the 2nd test I’d drop Ali for Rashid and Anderson for Archer. I think I’d stick with Bairstow
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Post by chuckrocky on Aug 5, 2019 9:06:28 GMT
227/4 when they shake hands on a draw later, that’s my prediction..... the pitch is doing too much imo, this will play into Lyons hands Honestly we’ve made a bit of a pigs ear in this test, selecting an unfit Anderson and out of form Ali and Bairstow, it’s easy in hindsight but we should have played Leach or Rashid and Sam Curran or Archer I can’t see us getting 200, I think we will be done by tea For the 2nd test I’d drop Ali for Rashid and Anderson for Archer. I think I’d stick with Bairstow Rashid shouldn’t be considered again unless he’s playing red ball cricket. Leach is a better spinner anyway. Rashid has the same problems as Ali. He can’t hold an end because he bowls at least one freebie every over. He’d be more dangerous than Ali on a turning pitch but if it’s not turning he’s not much use to the captain.
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Post by shrewspotter on Aug 5, 2019 9:13:56 GMT
the pitch is doing too much imo, this will play into Lyons hands Honestly we’ve made a bit of a pigs ear in this test, selecting an unfit Anderson and out of form Ali and Bairstow, it’s easy in hindsight but we should have played Leach or Rashid and Sam Curran or Archer I can’t see us getting 200, I think we will be done by tea For the 2nd test I’d drop Ali for Rashid and Anderson for Archer. I think I’d stick with Bairstow Rashid shouldn’t be considered again unless he’s playing red ball cricket. Leach is a better spinner anyway. Rashid has the same problems as Ali. He can’t hold an end because he bowls at least one freebie every over. He’d be more dangerous than Ali on a turning pitch but if it’s not turning he’s not much use to the captain. i think Sam Curran is very unlucky not to be selected for this one but I can’t see England making more than 2 changes. Archer and Leach then
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Post by chuckrocky on Aug 5, 2019 9:20:21 GMT
Rashid shouldn’t be considered again unless he’s playing red ball cricket. Leach is a better spinner anyway. Rashid has the same problems as Ali. He can’t hold an end because he bowls at least one freebie every over. He’d be more dangerous than Ali on a turning pitch but if it’s not turning he’s not much use to the captain. i think Sam Curran is very unlucky not to be selected for this one but I can’t see England making more than 2 changes. Archer and Leach then They may decide to not play a frontline spinner if the Lords pitch is as green as it has been the last few games. In that case Curran would come in for Ali.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 5, 2019 9:55:54 GMT
90 overs, 6 hours and 30 minutes of play whichever comes sooner!
I'll start believing if we're 2 down at tea....
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 5, 2019 10:10:57 GMT
i think Sam Curran is very unlucky not to be selected for this one but I can’t see England making more than 2 changes. Archer and Leach then They may decide to not play a frontline spinner if the Lords pitch is as green as it has been the last few games. In that case Curran would come in for Ali. We need a spinner - even on a green top. But we need to remember what the role of a spinner is in test cricket; in the first innings it is always to provide control, in the second innings it is principally to take wickets (while still maintaining control). It's easy to forget how important the defensive skill of a spinner is. Cast your mind back to Ashley Giles. He was nowhere near as good an attacking bowler as Swan was, but he wasn't too shabby at bowling a defensive line and length (including lots of left hand over pitching in the rough outside a right hand batsman's leg stump). Boring stuff but invaluable. This allows the quicks to attack and rotate at the other end. There are times when batsmen are on top in a test match and that is when you need to have control, keep the run rate down to less than 3 an over. Something we palpably were incapable of yesterday. Unfortunately for Mo, he is up against a master spinner in both attack and defence. Mo can do attack ok, but he is woeful and defence. (the same could be said about his batting too!). As to Curran, he ain't the answer. As we have seen in this game, if the ball is on top, we have the players who can take wickets. What we lack are the bowlers with the skills required when the batting is on top. Curran will not help us in this latter situation.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 5, 2019 10:15:11 GMT
Well that zipped off the deck, bad footwork though neither here nor there. But I would say Cummins got him out more than Burns doing anything wrong.
Shite.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 10:15:47 GMT
Burns gone, this won’t last long.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Aug 5, 2019 10:18:00 GMT
Game over.
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Post by JoeinOz on Aug 5, 2019 10:25:30 GMT
we've blown it
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 5, 2019 10:26:30 GMT
This is lively!!
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Post by JoeinOz on Aug 5, 2019 10:28:55 GMT
122-8 on the first day. Feels like a lifetime ago now
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 5, 2019 10:30:02 GMT
That back foot drive is going to get Root into trouble...
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 5, 2019 10:31:43 GMT
Not even close what's going in with the ump there!!!!
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 5, 2019 10:32:17 GMT
Fuck me Joel Wilson, have you literally learned nothing from your 120 other bad decisions in this test?
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 5, 2019 10:34:29 GMT
Fuck me Joel Wilson, have you literally learned nothing from your 120 other bad decisions in this test? Absolutely shocking it was nowhere near he really has had a bag game.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 5, 2019 10:44:55 GMT
Some handy minutes disappearing here.....
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 5, 2019 10:48:44 GMT
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 5, 2019 10:56:38 GMT
Hahahahahaha, absolutely middled it.
Serious note, the best umpires in the World are English and Australian (ICC rankings) I would have no problem with them working in tandem during an Ashes series.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 10:58:09 GMT
Both teams should complain officially about the umpires, this twat Wilson is the worst of the lot.....
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 5, 2019 10:59:18 GMT
Both teams should complain officially about the umpires, this twat Wilson is the worst of the lot..... He's somehow worse than Tony Hill who I genuinely thought was the worst umpire of all time. You can't even accuse him of bias like you say, he's been absolutely woeful to both sides.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 5, 2019 11:06:58 GMT
All very tense, we simply cannot lose Root before lunch.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 5, 2019 11:09:19 GMT
Wonder how many times the ball has beaten the bat in this test, Burns got 37 all by his lonesome.....
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 5, 2019 11:11:24 GMT
Australia very keen to appeal the bat/pad is it a shot/not a shot LBW call.
Something again we didn't really do yesterday.
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Post by chuckrocky on Aug 5, 2019 11:13:34 GMT
Siddle bowling well here.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2019 11:15:53 GMT
Both teams should complain officially about the umpires, this twat Wilson is the worst of the lot..... He's somehow worse than Tony Hill who I genuinely thought was the worst umpire of all time. You can't even accuse him of bias like you say, he's been absolutely woeful to both sides. He’s down for the 3rd test as well unfortunately, with Gaffney. Luckily Erasmus is being flown over for the 4th and 5th tests he’s the best of the lot.....
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 5, 2019 11:16:35 GMT
Very good point from McGrath, with DRS in play Aleem Dar shouldn't be verbalising to the Aussies that he's playing a shot because Paine is then not reviewing on that basis.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Aug 5, 2019 11:17:58 GMT
What The Hell Was That ?
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