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Aug 9, 2019 0:28:54 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2019 0:28:54 GMT
No-one should be denied healthcare. Health 'tourism' which is an awful misnomer, doesn't cost the NHS nearly as much as is widely reported. And those who need urgent care while visiting should not be denied it. Should be the same everywhere, but obviously that is a long way away politically. Fine, But who then foots the bill? The taxpayer? Or the person who hasnt contributed in tax? 'Deliberate' use of the NHS—use by those who come here specifically to receive free treatment or who come for other reasons but take advantage of the system when they're here—is hard to quantify. It's thought to be very roughly between £110 million and £280 million a year. That's a huge huge amount of money. fullfact.org/health/health-tourists-how-much-do-they-cost-and-who-pays/
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Aug 9, 2019 3:13:42 GMT
Post by tuum on Aug 9, 2019 3:13:42 GMT
If I was to move back to the UK my wife (a non-UK citizen) would be charged 200GBP a year for access to the NHS. This is a very reasonable amount in my opinion. It is something I would gladly pay until such time as she obtained her UK citizenship. My understanding of the NHS is that emergency care is free to anyone...even tourists. Non critical care has to be paid for. I was looking at this yesterday but I did not check the date for the article so it may have changed since. I am not sure where they draw the line as to what is classed as critical and free or non-critical and payable.
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Aug 9, 2019 6:40:45 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 9, 2019 6:40:45 GMT
No-one should be denied healthcare. Health 'tourism' which is an awful misnomer, doesn't cost the NHS nearly as much as is widely reported. And those who need urgent care while visiting should not be denied it. Should be the same everywhere, but obviously that is a long way away politically. Fine, But who then foots the bill? The taxpayer? Or the person who hasnt contributed in tax? 'Deliberate' use of the NHS—use by those who come here specifically to receive free treatment or who come for other reasons but take advantage of the system when they're here—is hard to quantify. It's thought to be very roughly between £110 million and £280 million a year. That's a huge huge amount of money. fullfact.org/health/health-tourists-how-much-do-they-cost-and-who-pays/Its not a huge amount when you see the cost of people failing to turn up for gp or hospital appointments is £216m and £1 billion a year.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 9, 2019 6:52:52 GMT
Fine, But who then foots the bill? The taxpayer? Or the person who hasnt contributed in tax? 'Deliberate' use of the NHS—use by those who come here specifically to receive free treatment or who come for other reasons but take advantage of the system when they're here—is hard to quantify. It's thought to be very roughly between £110 million and £280 million a year. That's a huge huge amount of money. fullfact.org/health/health-tourists-how-much-do-they-cost-and-who-pays/Its not a huge amount when you see the cost of people failing to turn up for gp or hospital appointments is £216m and £1 billion a year. FYD According to the Sun ( article above) it is £2b....I agree with you regarding non attendance, but either way money should be saved/not wasted wherever possible.... health care is expensive. Im beginning to wonder if there should be a subscription service, say £100 per year up front, charge £50 per missed appointment, Miss two and need to top up before a third can be arranged.( No excuses whatsoever allowed to save admin costs).The Idea being not to charge but to change the culture and stop taking it for granted. If we value the NHS we should take measures to protect it. After all many think nothing of more expensive subscriptions to Sky or Vodaphone. I'd prefer no subscriptions but there is a problem that needs a solution. ( One couple, who happened to be Polish, missed 5 appointments without cancellations, for their child's immunisations, being in two minds whether to go ahead).
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Aug 9, 2019 8:13:57 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Aug 9, 2019 8:13:57 GMT
Its not a huge amount when you see the cost of people failing to turn up for gp or hospital appointments is £216m and £1 billion a year. FYD According to the Sun ( article above) it is £2b....I agree with you regarding non attendance, but either way money should be saved/not wasted wherever possible.... health care is expensive. Im beginning to wonder if there should be a subscription service, say £100 per year up front, charge £50 per missed appointment, Miss two and need to top up before a third can be arranged.( No excuses whatsoever allowed to save admin costs).The Idea being not to charge but to change the culture and stop taking it for granted. If we value the NHS we should take measures to protect it. After all many think nothing of more expensive subscriptions to Sky or Vodaphone. I'd prefer no subscriptions but there is a problem that needs a solution. ( One couple, who happened to be Polish, missed 5 appointments without cancellations, for their child's immunisations, being in two minds whether to go ahead). The £2 billion cost is just people who fall ill on holiday we could claim some or all of this back from other countries / travel insurance but we cant be arsed and doctors think it should be free for all, compare with eu countries they have no qualms on getting the chip and pin machine out, I had to pay to have an abcess dealt with in tennerife once. In theory I agree with you on charging for cancellations but I would be worried older people might be put off in case they cant get there, maybe you fine the companies the non attendees work for or something as normally work is involved in people not making their appointments. At the leaat perhaps start emailing people a breakdown of the cost of their free treatment.
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Aug 9, 2019 8:24:38 GMT
Post by foster on Aug 9, 2019 8:24:38 GMT
If you miss an appointment (without prior warning) then rather than get a fine they could just refuse to allow you to book a second one and make you go during a no appointment period. For example, there could be a 2 hour time slot every other day when GPs are available for consultation without appointments. First come first served.
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 9, 2019 8:33:29 GMT
FYD According to the Sun ( article above) it is £2b....I agree with you regarding non attendance, but either way money should be saved/not wasted wherever possible.... health care is expensive. Im beginning to wonder if there should be a subscription service, say £100 per year up front, charge £50 per missed appointment, Miss two and need to top up before a third can be arranged.( No excuses whatsoever allowed to save admin costs).The Idea being not to charge but to change the culture and stop taking it for granted. If we value the NHS we should take measures to protect it. After all many think nothing of more expensive subscriptions to Sky or Vodaphone. I'd prefer no subscriptions but there is a problem that needs a solution. ( One couple, who happened to be Polish, missed 5 appointments without cancellations, for their child's immunisations, being in two minds whether to go ahead). The £2 billion cost is just people who fall ill on holiday we could claim some or all of this back from other countries / travel insurance but we cant be arsed and doctors think it should be free for all, compare with eu countries they have no qualms on getting the chip and pin machine out, I had to pay to have an abcess dealt with in tennerife once. In theory I agree with you on charging for cancellations but I would be worried older people might be put off in case they cant get there, maybe you fine the companies the non attendees work for or something as normally work is involved in people not making their appointments. At the leaat perhaps start emailing people a breakdown of the cost of their free treatment. Dr's moan about cuts yet they want to treat everyone for free can't have it both ways. As for missed appointments even old mother Hubbard has a phone and even a mobile ring up and explain takes no time at all. Missed appointments are a disgrace it's the ones who just fail to go with no phone call or message to the surgery. They should be charged and most do now or can as I understand it. You can't complain about funding when there is already a process in place to recoup millions/ billions, every little helps as the saying goes.
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Aug 9, 2019 9:01:08 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 9, 2019 9:01:08 GMT
If you miss an appointment (without prior warning) then rather than get a fine they could just refuse to allow you to book a second one and make you go during a no appointment period. For example, there could be a 2 hour time slot every other day when GPs are available for consultation without appointments. First come first served. Good point Foster.....the amount saved at my health centre from missed appointments would actually pay for one doctor to be free 9-5 every day on a drop in basis. People complain about having to wait a week or two for appointments whilst people are not turning up on the same day that others are requesting an appointment. I'm not really interested in fining people, more interested in changing the culture..... people would soon get used to/ spread the word that " Don't miss an appointment or you get charged for it"
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Post by thevoid on Aug 9, 2019 9:46:26 GMT
My friend had to pay for medical treatment in Spain- all they did was give him some water to re-hydrate. Similarly my other half didn't bother visiting the on-site doc in Dominican Republic due to fees. Pay for insurance, simple as.
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Dec 9, 2019 14:10:37 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Dec 9, 2019 14:10:37 GMT
If you read the comments on expenditure/ contracts in the NHS in response to this tweet, does anyone know if there is any truth in the stories or is it all propaganda/ folklore?
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Post by franklin66 on Dec 9, 2019 14:14:03 GMT
If you read the comments on expenditure/ contracts in the NHS in response to this tweet, does anyone know if there is any truth in the stories or is it all propaganda/ folklore? BJR I can tell you it's the same in all nationalised businesses. You have a list of approved suppliers. When we needed a new bit of stationary say a stapler it was £12 from our admin assistant to order in but £2 in the local shop bizarre. About 15k to install a cycle rack at HPO when I would have done it for nought.
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Post by Kilo on Dec 9, 2019 15:05:16 GMT
The whole NHS needs to be stripped to the bone but it's not politically correct for any polititian to say it as the opposition would have a field day. There are people employed by the NHS who wander around hospitals all day carrying bits of paper and if something needs carrying they'll send two people even if it only needs one. Like any company there are some crap people working there as well as some superb individuals and it's getting more and more difficult to gret rid of the crap ones. Those that don't pay into the system of course shouldn't get free stuff out but that wont stop some people saying they should!
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Dec 9, 2019 17:24:11 GMT
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Post by duckling on Dec 9, 2019 17:24:11 GMT
If you read the comments on expenditure/ contracts in the NHS in response to this tweet, does anyone know if there is any truth in the stories or is it all propaganda/ folklore? The hospital handrail installer probably has friends/relatives high up in the government, and someone probably got a kickback. That's how the rich and powerful everywhere function.
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Post by salopstick on Dec 9, 2019 18:16:09 GMT
If you read the comments on expenditure/ contracts in the NHS in response to this tweet, does anyone know if there is any truth in the stories or is it all propaganda/ folklore? BJR I can tell you it's the same in all nationalised businesses. You have a list of approved suppliers. When we needed a new bit of stationary say a stapler it was £12 from our admin assistant to order in but £2 in the local shop bizarre. About 15k to install a cycle rack at HPO when I would have done it for nought. What the NHS needs is a common sense approach almost run like a privatised company. It needs to get rid of all unnecessary senior management. It needs auditors that actually save money putting surplus into better care rather than pay more because it’s easy. It needs not to be a political football but needs an independent of govt department to run it. I
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Dec 9, 2019 18:41:53 GMT
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Post by franklin66 on Dec 9, 2019 18:41:53 GMT
BJR I can tell you it's the same in all nationalised businesses. You have a list of approved suppliers. When we needed a new bit of stationary say a stapler it was £12 from our admin assistant to order in but £2 in the local shop bizarre. About 15k to install a cycle rack at HPO when I would have done it for nought. What the NHS needs is a common sense approach almost run like a privatised company. It needs to get rid of all unnecessary senior management. It needs auditors that actually save money putting surplus into better care rather than pay more because it’s easy. It needs not to be a political football but needs an independent of govt department to run it. I Absolutely mate.
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Post by Miles Offside on Dec 9, 2019 18:47:47 GMT
Is it right that foreign visitors should have to pay for NHS treatment? On the BBC this morning there was a segment where a South African woman visited her son in the UK without travel insurance and she was taken ill. She found it disgusting that she should be asked to pay for her trip to hospital!!! Now when I travel I always pay for insurance even for a weekend away. I pay a monthly premium which allows me to travel without separate policies. Labour are saying it immoral to charge people for the NHS well forgive me it's a National Health service not a world health service. Let's allow the whole world come here for free treatment what a pathetic stance from who else but Labour. It's probably a fair assumption that the exploitation of our welfare state (health, housing, education, benefits, etc) by people who haven't contributed to it was one of the main reasons why a majority voted for Brexit.
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Post by elystokie on Dec 11, 2019 12:42:07 GMT
If you read the comments on expenditure/ contracts in the NHS in response to this tweet, does anyone know if there is any truth in the stories or is it all propaganda/ folklore? BJR I can tell you it's the same in all nationalised businesses. You have a list of approved suppliers. When we needed a new bit of stationary say a stapler it was £12 from our admin assistant to order in but £2 in the local shop bizarre. About 15k to install a cycle rack at HPO when I would have done it for nought. When my Dad had cancer he had to wear this sort of webbing bag thing that held some medicine he needed (fat lot of good it did but that's another thing entirely) this was 15 years ago and the bags were apparently £80 a pop. You could pick up something similar on the market for less than a fiver, fuck knows how cheap you could get them wholesale. That £75 (minimum) is going somewhere, it's surely not that difficult to find out where. I've worked in nationalised industries a few times and it's absolutely scandalous how free and easy some are with the public purse, they treat it like it's fucking monopoly money.
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Post by murphthesurf on Dec 23, 2019 22:43:33 GMT
Just to look at the NHS thread from a different angle for a mo, if I may….
Over this past few months, and in fact over the last couple of years, there have been quite a few Oatie members, living both locally and in other areas, who have been admitted to hospital, and whilst some have had routine treatments others have had extremely serious ops and procedures including, in at least two cases, treatment for life-threatening illnesses.
Right out of the blue in early August I was the latest of us to be an emergency ambulance admission to the Royal Stoke and was not in a good way, but after a week-long stay things were much improved and I was able to return home and am still gradually recovering.
I know some of our MB members work in the NHS and some are married to either nurses or doctors, so I wonder if I can thank, via this post, any Oatie members who are NHS professionals - or ask any members whose relatives or friends are nurses or doctors or part of the emergency ambulance teams to pass the message on to them - for their wonderful work, care and dedication all year round and of course especially those on duty on special days such as Christmas. They were, and are, all amazing. Similarly, after having had two three-hour transfusions which made the most incredible difference in getting better, very many thanks to anyone on the Oatie who is a regular blood donor.
Thank you, Murph
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2019 22:51:28 GMT
Just to look at the NHS thread from a different angle for a mo, if I may…. Over this past few months, and in fact over the last couple of years, there have been quite a few Oatie members, living both locally and in other areas, who have been admitted to hospital, and whilst some have had routine treatments others have had extremely serious ops and procedures including, in at least two cases, treatment for life-threatening illnesses. Right out of the blue in early August I was the latest of us to be an emergency ambulance admission to the Royal Stoke and was not in a good way, but after a week-long stay things were much improved and I was able to return home and am still gradually recovering. I know some of our MB members work in the NHS and some are married to either nurses or doctors, so I wonder if I can thank, via this post, any Oatie members who are NHS professionals - or ask any members whose relatives or friends are nurses or doctors or part of the emergency ambulance teams to pass the message on to them - for their wonderful work, care and dedication all year round and of course especially those on duty on special days such as Christmas. They were, and are, all amazing. Similarly, after having had two three-hour transfusions which made the most incredible difference in getting better, very many thanks to anyone on the Oatie who is a regular blood donor. Thank you, Murph Well said murph ! Fully agree with you - the NHS does do a wonderful job. Merry Christmas btw !
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Dec 27, 2019 13:37:05 GMT
Post by marylandstoke on Dec 27, 2019 13:37:05 GMT
Few years ago the Mrs worked for NHS Plymouth in finance. Part of her job was collecting fees from private patients, some of the payment avoidance tactics were unbelievable. The most common were incorrect forwarding address and forged or out of date Insurance cover. One lady from Africa claimed that she was entitled to free NHS care because her ancestors were slaves and part of the compensation was free health care for her and her family. If payment wasn’t forthcoming after 90 days the debt was sold to collection agencies. In USA you cannot get any treatment without first giving your credit card details. Why can’t we do this with private treatment? Except.... Thats not true about the USA. In fact, the hospital I have had most of my major treatments at has many signs that state that treatment will never be refused if you can not pay for it. I have now probably had millions of dollars of treatment and have NEVER been asked to give a credit card. Drivers license and insurance card, yes, debit/credit card, never.
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Jan 5, 2020 19:51:54 GMT
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jan 5, 2020 19:51:54 GMT
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Jan 5, 2020 20:01:26 GMT
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Post by franklin66 on Jan 5, 2020 20:01:26 GMT
Just to look at the NHS thread from a different angle for a mo, if I may…. Over this past few months, and in fact over the last couple of years, there have been quite a few Oatie members, living both locally and in other areas, who have been admitted to hospital, and whilst some have had routine treatments others have had extremely serious ops and procedures including, in at least two cases, treatment for life-threatening illnesses. Right out of the blue in early August I was the latest of us to be an emergency ambulance admission to the Royal Stoke and was not in a good way, but after a week-long stay things were much improved and I was able to return home and am still gradually recovering. I know some of our MB members work in the NHS and some are married to either nurses or doctors, so I wonder if I can thank, via this post, any Oatie members who are NHS professionals - or ask any members whose relatives or friends are nurses or doctors or part of the emergency ambulance teams to pass the message on to them - for their wonderful work, care and dedication all year round and of course especially those on duty on special days such as Christmas. They were, and are, all amazing. Similarly, after having had two three-hour transfusions which made the most incredible difference in getting better, very many thanks to anyone on the Oatie who is a regular blood donor. Thank you, Murph I'm glad your well mate and I'm sure we all think the NHS is an amazing organisation. It's because it so good and so cherished that we care how its funded and how its exploited. I want it to continue to be the best you can get and all I want is for it to be correctly governed and not to be used and abused. Just because it's a multi billion pound business does not mean it's ok to take the piss and fleece them of money and services.
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