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Jul 10, 2019 8:30:32 GMT
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 10, 2019 8:30:32 GMT
Is it right that foreign visitors should have to pay for NHS treatment? On the BBC this morning there was a segment where a South African woman visited her son in the UK without travel insurance and she was taken ill. She found it disgusting that she should be asked to pay for her trip to hospital!!! Now when I travel I always pay for insurance even for a weekend away. I pay a monthly premium which allows me to travel without separate policies. Labour are saying it immoral to charge people for the NHS well forgive me it's a National Health service not a world health service. Let's allow the whole world come here for free treatment what a pathetic stance from who else but Labour.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 10, 2019 8:48:34 GMT
This one is pretty open and shut tbh, it's paid for by the taxpayer and should therefore only be free beyond the point of use for the taxpayer. The only possible exception I can think of that might be fair is to introduce a reduction in cost if a family member worked in the Service in a nursing or medical capacity. We already have some deals involving reciprocal health care arrangement, we don't with South Africa. It's not like they get turned away from the hospital and are refused treatment and it's quite clear that such costs could be avoided with adequate insurance, it's still free at the point of use for all. As it should be.
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Jul 10, 2019 9:04:18 GMT
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Post by 3putts on Jul 10, 2019 9:04:18 GMT
It's an emotive subject, should you ever turn away anyone who is in serious need of health are? Like anything it has been abused particularly with health tourists the NHS was not designed for this. Plane operators should bar heavily pregnant women from boarding
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 10, 2019 9:19:06 GMT
It's an emotive subject, should you ever turn away anyone who is in serious need of health are? Like anything it has been abused particularly with health tourists the NHS was not designed for this. Plane operators should bar heavily pregnant women from boarding Life and death stuff is never turned away, however once treated then they try and recover fees. Airlines do also stop pregnant women from traveling. Insurance should be a requisite for travel and proof should be required. Go abroad without insurance outside of the EU and see how you fair if you're ill.
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jul 10, 2019 9:20:09 GMT
Yes they should pay, it’s the National Health Service not the Worldwide Health Service.
If we go abroad and either fall ill or injure ourselves we have to pay medical bills, it should be the same principle here.
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Post by riverman on Jul 10, 2019 9:24:03 GMT
Of course she should pay she hasn't contributed. She wasn't turned away,which would have been morally wrong, so should pay for the service.She should have taken out travel insurance, it's not expensive.
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Post by chigstoke on Jul 10, 2019 9:40:16 GMT
We have to pay bills when we go abroad, it shouldn't be any different here just because it's the NHS. It's not the WHS.
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Post by lawrieleslie on Jul 10, 2019 10:12:32 GMT
Few years ago the Mrs worked for NHS Plymouth in finance. Part of her job was collecting fees from private patients, some of the payment avoidance tactics were unbelievable. The most common were incorrect forwarding address and forged or out of date Insurance cover. One lady from Africa claimed that she was entitled to free NHS care because her ancestors were slaves and part of the compensation was free health care for her and her family. If payment wasn’t forthcoming after 90 days the debt was sold to collection agencies. In USA you cannot get any treatment without first giving your credit card details. Why can’t we do this with private treatment?
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Jul 10, 2019 11:49:04 GMT
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Post by followyoudown on Jul 10, 2019 11:49:04 GMT
Few years ago the Mrs worked for NHS Plymouth in finance. Part of her job was collecting fees from private patients, some of the payment avoidance tactics were unbelievable. The most common were incorrect forwarding address and forged or out of date Insurance cover. One lady from Africa claimed that she was entitled to free NHS care because her ancestors were slaves and part of the compensation was free health care for her and her family. If payment wasn’t forthcoming after 90 days the debt was sold to collection agencies. In USA you cannot get any treatment without first giving your credit card details. Why can’t we do this with private treatment? This health tourism is for me always over egged far bigger problem is people taking appointments and then just not being arsed to turn up or cancel. The states is a bit different in that everyone pays not sure that would work here really, although you think it could be trialed with non life threatening treatments if they wanted too.
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 10, 2019 12:06:12 GMT
I have direct experience of the US health care system, when my son was taken ill in Las Vegas he was transferred from a "clinic" to the local children's hospital. Once there I had to go back to the clinic and pay for their service including the ambulance. Once at the hospital with my son quite seriously ill my priority was him. I had insurance so never gave it a thought. However when I left hospital with him the bill was £76k. No problem I have insurance!!! Long story short they refused to pay because I did not inform them on the emergency contact number within 24hrs stated on the policy. I in the mean time had to placate the hospital by paying all I had £10k to them before I left the building, debit, credit cards and all the cash I had. I managed to get home with the help of the Ronald MacDonald charity who helped me with accommodation/ food etc as I had maxed out to pay the hospital. Once home it took 9 months of stress and negotiations with the hospital, insurance company to settle the bill. In the end they paid a % with me paying the rest a massive amount as a result I'm very careful when traveling with insurance cover and I always warn others to make sure they know what to do when abroad.
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Jul 12, 2019 7:11:47 GMT
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Post by musik on Jul 12, 2019 7:11:47 GMT
I have always wondered, what happens if you get tremendously ill or injured in for instance Chad, Cambodia, El Salvador, Afghanistan, Macedonia, Iran?
Is the health care standard any good? Are there well known surgeons? Is it for free? Is it possible to buy a health insurance covering these countries?
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Jul 12, 2019 13:01:16 GMT
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 12, 2019 13:01:16 GMT
I have always wondered, what happens if you get tremendously ill or injured in for instance Chad, Cambodia, El Salvador, Afghanistan, Macedonia, Iran? Is the health care standard any good? Are there well known surgeons? Is it for free? Is it possible to buy a health insurance covering these countries? I hope I never find out but I doubt you could get cheap insurance for Iran atm. Even more so if your sailing there on a tanker.
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Jul 12, 2019 13:44:33 GMT
Post by harryburrows on Jul 12, 2019 13:44:33 GMT
Few years ago the Mrs worked for NHS Plymouth in finance. Part of her job was collecting fees from private patients, some of the payment avoidance tactics were unbelievable. The most common were incorrect forwarding address and forged or out of date Insurance cover. One lady from Africa claimed that she was entitled to free NHS care because her ancestors were slaves and part of the compensation was free health care for her and her family. If payment wasn’t forthcoming after 90 days the debt was sold to collection agencies. In USA you cannot get any treatment without first giving your credit card details. Why can’t we do this with private treatment? I think some in European countries like France everyone pays at the point of sale , those entitled to free healthcare claim it back
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Post by foster on Jul 12, 2019 14:15:50 GMT
If they don't have insurance then there should be an arrangement whereby they send the bill to the embassy of whatever country the foreigners are from and let them sort it out. The embassy ensures it paid and then deals with the person once they are back in their own country.
However, hospital bills are extortionate so they should at least be fair and charged at cost.
Likewise, we shouldn't get spanked like Franklin above for using the health services in other countries.
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Jul 12, 2019 16:15:50 GMT
Post by lawrieleslie on Jul 12, 2019 16:15:50 GMT
If they don't have insurance then there should be an arrangement whereby they send the bill to the embassy of whatever country the foreigners are from and let them sort it out. The embassy ensures it paid and then deals with the person once they are back in their own country. However, hospital bills are extortionate so they should at least be fair and charged at costLikewise, we shouldn't get spanked like Franklin above for using the health services in other countries. How much do you think say a simple operation to replace a hip would cost then? Surgeon, anaesthetist, theatre nurses plus consumables, use of theatre plus all the aftercare before discharge.
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Jul 12, 2019 16:20:11 GMT
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Post by zerps on Jul 12, 2019 16:20:11 GMT
Yes they should have to buy insurance. Simple as.
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Jul 12, 2019 16:30:03 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 12, 2019 16:30:03 GMT
It's an emotive subject, should you ever turn away anyone who is in serious need of health are? Like anything it has been abused particularly with health tourists the NHS was not designed for this. Plane operators should bar heavily pregnant women from boarding Life and death stuff is never turned away, however once treated then they try and recover fees. Airlines do also stop pregnant women from traveling. Insurance should be a requisite for travel and proof should be required. Go abroad without insurance outside of the EU and see how you fair if you're ill. I'd go further in that you would have to show you have medical insurance before entering the country else your visa is declined.
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Jul 12, 2019 17:38:13 GMT
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Post by franklin66 on Jul 12, 2019 17:38:13 GMT
If they don't have insurance then there should be an arrangement whereby they send the bill to the embassy of whatever country the foreigners are from and let them sort it out. The embassy ensures it paid and then deals with the person once they are back in their own country. However, hospital bills are extortionate so they should at least be fair and charged at cost. Likewise, we shouldn't get spanked like Franklin above for using the health services in other countries. He was taken ill with diabetes after collapsing in Vegas, every nurse, Dr, cleaner, blood test everyone was itimised and we were billed. We had so many separate people billing us it was nuts for 4 days in hospital . And for good measure when we got gone the NHS threw away all the insulin and documents they gave us and said old school we are more up to date now the UK was far easier.
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Post by harryburrows on Jul 12, 2019 17:58:39 GMT
If they don't have insurance then there should be an arrangement whereby they send the bill to the embassy of whatever country the foreigners are from and let them sort it out. The embassy ensures it paid and then deals with the person once they are back in their own country. However, hospital bills are extortionate so they should at least be fair and charged at cost. Likewise, we shouldn't get spanked like Franklin above for using the health services in other countries. He was taken ill with diabetes after collapsing in Vegas, every nurse, Dr, cleaner, blood test everyone was itimised and we were billed. We had so many separate people billing us it was nuts for 4 days in hospital . And for good measure when we got gone the NHS threw away all the insulin and documents they gave us and said old school we are more up to date now the UK was far easier. My daughter was born in Miami in 87 $ 16 thousand for 2 days . About6 pages of A4 printed bill . Every dressing,coffee , band aid , pain killers, etc . Thankfully my company paid
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Post by Boothen on Jul 12, 2019 18:04:44 GMT
Of course they should fucking pay. Handing out free treatment to foreigners and health tourists who pay nothing in to the system is a major part of why the NHS is struggling. I posted before about a family who lives in the next street to me. There's a houseful of Romanians in the next street to me who ship over relatives to have their babies on the NHS before they fuck off back to the shithole from whence they came. According the woman who lives next door they're up to 19 babies now. Does anyone know how much it costs the NHS to deliver a baby and provide both pre and postnatal care? I imagine it runs into the many thousands of pounds. Well the other day I walked past that house and there was two heavily pregnant young girls stood outside smoking away like chimneys. No doubt that mean that the NHS will also have to fund whatever treatment the babies require due to the scummy Mothers' smoking during pregnancy.
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Jul 15, 2019 15:46:11 GMT
Post by The Drunken Communist on Jul 15, 2019 15:46:11 GMT
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Post by Northy on Jul 15, 2019 15:53:57 GMT
Yes she should pay, she must have had 3 queries about travel insurance when booking flight tickets, I know I do.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Jul 23, 2019 13:05:07 GMT
Money would help but I don't think that just throwing money at it is the answer. What was promised in 1945 is not deliverable in the same way. The population has increased from 48m to 66m, the definition of health has widened and what we are now able to do has absolutely snowballed beyond imagination but is expensive. It should not be a Party Political football though. One newly qualified nurse's experience m.facebook.com/groups/496714360508822?view=permalink&id=779705942209661
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Jul 23, 2019 13:17:08 GMT
Post by eebygum on Jul 23, 2019 13:17:08 GMT
Money would help but I don't think that just throwing money at it is the answer. What was promised in 1945 is not deliverable in the same way. The population has increased from 48m to 66m, the definition of health has widened and what we are now able to do has absolutely snowballed beyond imagination but is expensive. It should not be a Party Political football though. One newly qualified nurse's experience m.facebook.com/groups/496714360508822?view=permalink&id=779705942209661Dis testimony couldn't be owt a' orl ta doa wi' um posh boys deliberately unda fundin it sa thee can sell it cheaply ta thea mates i' eur few years, could it?
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Jul 23, 2019 14:41:38 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2019 14:41:38 GMT
No-one should be denied healthcare. Health 'tourism' which is an awful misnomer, doesn't cost the NHS nearly as much as is widely reported. And those who need urgent care while visiting should not be denied it.
Should be the same everywhere, but obviously that is a long way away politically.
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Post by 3putts on Jul 23, 2019 14:43:52 GMT
Money would help but I don't think that just throwing money at it is the answer. What was promised in 1945 is not deliverable in the same way. The population has increased from 48m to 66m, the definition of health has widened and what we are now able to do has absolutely snowballed beyond imagination but is expensive. It should not be a Party Political football though. One newly qualified nurse's experience m.facebook.com/groups/496714360508822?view=permalink&id=779705942209661Dis testimony couldn't be owt a' orl ta doa wi' um posh boys deliberately unda fundin it sa thee can sell it cheaply ta thea mates i' eur few years, could it?
Boring cunt
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Jul 23, 2019 15:06:50 GMT
Post by eebygum on Jul 23, 2019 15:06:50 GMT
Dis testimony couldn't be owt a' orl ta doa wi' um posh boys deliberately unda fundin it sa thee can sell it cheaply ta thea mates i' eur few years, could it?
Boring cunt
Listen 'eear pal. just 'cos theur wor raised int' sewa it doesn't mean t' rest o' wee should av ta pur up wi' thy lack o' gran' breedin.
naw less o' t' see wut
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 8, 2019 21:25:31 GMT
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Aug 8, 2019 21:37:13 GMT
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Post by franklin66 on Aug 8, 2019 21:37:13 GMT
No-one should be denied healthcare. Health 'tourism' which is an awful misnomer, doesn't cost the NHS nearly as much as is widely reported. And those who need urgent care while visiting should not be denied it. Should be the same everywhere, but obviously that is a long way away politically. Nobody is denied treatment but if they're not eligible for free care it can't be wrong to chase payment. No other country in the world would treat you for free. Even Medicare is Australia charges even with a reciprocal agreement. We pay 250million to the ROI ever year to care for our elderly that's their bill to us. Get travel insurance if you are going abroad is that too much to ask we have to or we would be left at the roadside in some countries and billed by the rest. The NHS is our NHS not a free for all pay up or dunna travel. We have a process to claim the money back but staff don't ask for proof if a person's eligible for free care. And if they do we are crap at asking for it back...close the loopholes and charge.
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Post by woodstein on Aug 8, 2019 22:22:16 GMT
No way any free treatment, especially when Michael great big Buerk says that fat folk should die to save on their health cost. BBC ba.tard.
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