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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Aug 24, 2021 14:30:13 GMT
If it’s forced on people then I’m fine with that Well I’m pleased you’ve found yourself in the position you can afford not to give a fuck about the cost There are millions in this country currently struggle to heat there homes Without the green agenda bullshit never mind when they’ve implemented it It’s time the environmentalists come clean and told the general public the true cost of saving the planet from the so called Armageddon Whilst people in Western Europe with little disposable income see their costs rise for environmentally friendly food and heating China carries on as normal Using less plastic, recycling, using less water, eating less shit quality meat, etc, doesn't cost anything. Don't you think people should be doing more to slow down climate change? Not if it means I can't drive everywhere I want to, or fly off on a cheap holiday abroad when I want to, or I can't increase my energy consumption year on year by buying more and more gadgets I don't need, the latest phone and a huge telly. Which I suspect is how most people feel about the whole thing. That, and why should I, if <insert country here> won't. |
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 24, 2021 14:49:10 GMT
Well, if the founder of ER thinks it’s ok to drive a diesel car to ferry her kids to football and rugby not to mentioning vacationing in Costa Rica what hope is there ( link). |
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Post by Northy on Aug 24, 2021 14:55:56 GMT
Yeah, double whammy. Gone from what seemed like an isolated event in Turkey to a worldwide phenomenon. Also coinciding with the hottest July ever recorded. I think the climate change problems are going to increase more rapidly than most have predicted. The world as a whole is well off target and there are too many people unwilling to endure a little less 'comfort' for the sake of the planet. The funny (in a non-funny way) thing being that the money being saved now is going to be peanuts compared to the costs incurred in the future. I also can't really fathom the plastic waste that's still being produced. It's taken years just to bring in paper straws and is just so damn slow. A complete lack of collective will or urgency. Why so much plastic everywhere. Sustainable living isn't going to be optional soon and if it's forced on people then I'm fine with that. If it’s forced on people then I’m fine with that Well I’m pleased you’ve found yourself in the position you can afford not to give a fuck about the cost There are millions in this country currently struggle to heat there homes Without the green agenda bullshit never mind when they’ve implemented it It’s time the environmentalists come clean and told the general public the true cost of saving the planet from the so called Armageddon Whilst people in Western Europe with little disposable income see their costs rise for environmentally friendly food and heating China carries on as normal IS China carrying on normal though ? Have you seen their hydro, solar, wind projects, greening of the deserts over the last few years, they are huge ? They also plan to have a space solar project up and running by the end of this decade, beaming light down from space to collect it at solar farms in places that are more cloudy. And don't forget, when you blame China, some of that Carbon is yours if you buy stuff that is made in China, stop buying shit we don't need or can source alternatively from a more environmentally supplier then that will reduce their carbon output. Government grants are available on some houses for insulation etc. for people on benefits, as are energy efficient boilers. |
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Post by Northy on Aug 24, 2021 15:05:57 GMT
Well, if the founder of ER thinks it’s ok to drive a diesel car to ferry her kids to football and rugby not to mentioning vacationing in Costa Rica what hope is there ( link). If we expand on the story a bit: -
In a fractious interview on TalkRadio on Monday, Dr Gail Bradbrook said she drives a diesel car because she cannot afford an electric vehicle.
The 49-year-old, who founded XR in 2018, told presenter Cristo Foufas that she needs to use the car to take her children to rugby and football matches because there are no available buses near her home on a Sunday.Herein lies a problem, public transport or the lack of it, which needs to be addressed, I walked 10 miles on Sunday to Barmouth from Dolgellau along the Mawddach trail, buses back were at 12.30, 16.30 and 19.30, 2 busy tourist towns at each end of a trail recently built for leisure on a single train line closed during the Beech closures in the 60's, I got on the 16.30 and behind me a girl (late teens) went to get on with a bike, they wouldn't let her, no bikes allowed, she said she'd cycled there and was too tired to return, and would have to get someone to drive their to pick her up, after a few complaints from different people he let her on in the disabled bay as it wasn't been used. XR are also about getting governments changing the way they do things, not stopping people completely, why can't we move to do things like Denmark, Holland and build for cycling instead of crap new housing estates where houses have tiny gardens, and with no infrastructure improvements; They want to move away from the idea it's all about profit for big companies don't they ? |
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Post by Foster on Aug 24, 2021 15:18:42 GMT
Per capita, just trailing behind China. As Northy says above that a lot of China pollution should be attributed to the countries it's exports to, since they are the consumers and driving it. Attachment Deleted |
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 24, 2021 15:22:07 GMT
If it’s forced on people then I’m fine with that Well I’m pleased you’ve found yourself in the position you can afford not to give a fuck about the cost There are millions in this country currently struggle to heat there homes Without the green agenda bullshit never mind when they’ve implemented it It’s time the environmentalists come clean and told the general public the true cost of saving the planet from the so called Armageddon Whilst people in Western Europe with little disposable income see their costs rise for environmentally friendly food and heating China carries on as normal IS China carrying on normal though ? Have you seen their hydro, solar, wind projects, greening of the deserts over the last few years, they are huge ? They also plan to have a space solar project up and running by the end of this decade, beaming light down from space to collect it at solar farms in places that are more cloudy. And don't forget, when you blame China, some of that Carbon is yours if you buy stuff that is made in China, stop buying shit we don't need or can source alternatively from a more environmentally supplier then that will reduce their carbon output. Government grants are available on some houses for insulation etc. for people on benefits, as are energy efficient boilers. Energy efficient gas boilers ? Yes we should all stop buying as much cheap tat from China And the like I generally where possible will not buy Chinese goods ( dislike there human rights issues) And we could all reduce our packaging But that doesn’t alter my central point it’s time the environmental lobby admitted the full cost of going green the change over from petrol and diesel to electric/ hydrogen isn’t going to be cheap who’s bearing the cost it won’t be the car manufacturers As for home heating how is this going to be funded if it’s by the government the tax payer ultimately pays Or will it be down to the individual I agree something needs to be done. But let’s cut the cuddly fluffy it’s only small changes crap out Be honest with the public your life will fundamentally change and it will cost you x thousand pounds for the privilege |
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 24, 2021 15:26:41 GMT
Using less plastic, recycling, using less water, eating less shit quality meat, etc, doesn't cost anything. Don't you think people should be doing more to slow down climate change? Not if it means I can't drive everywhere I want to, or fly off on a cheap holiday abroad when I want to, or I can't increase my energy consumption year on year by buying more and more gadgets I don't need, the latest phone and a huge telly. Which I suspect is how most people feel about the whole thing. That, and why should I, if <insert country here> won't. You really live a debauched lifestyle I rarely get in the car Haven’t been on a plane for forty odd years Use a second hand phone And since I’ve had a smart meter fitted I’m even paranoid about switching the heating on As for latest gadgets wouldn’t have a clue how to use them |
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 24, 2021 15:27:51 GMT
Well, if the founder of ER thinks it’s ok to drive a diesel car to ferry her kids to football and rugby not to mentioning vacationing in Costa Rica what hope is there ( link). If we expand on the story a bit: -
In a fractious interview on TalkRadio on Monday, Dr Gail Bradbrook said she drives a diesel car because she cannot afford an electric vehicle.
The 49-year-old, who founded XR in 2018, told presenter Cristo Foufas that she needs to use the car to take her children to rugby and football matches because there are no available buses near her home on a Sunday.Herein lies a problem, public transport or the lack of it, which needs to be addressed, I walked 10 miles on Sunday to Barmouth from Dolgellau along the Mawddach trail, buses back were at 12.30, 16.30 and 19.30, 2 busy tourist towns at each end of a trail recently built for leisure on a single train line closed during the Beech closures in the 60's, I got on the 16.30 and behind me a girl (late teens) went to get on with a bike, they wouldn't let her, no bikes allowed, she said she'd cycled there and was too tired to return, and would have to get someone to drive their to pick her up, after a few complaints from different people he let her on in the disabled bay as it wasn't been used. XR are also about getting governments changing the way they do things, not stopping people completely, why can't we move to do things like Denmark, Holland and build for cycling instead of crap new housing estates where houses have tiny gardens, and with no infrastructure improvements; They want to move away from the idea it's all about profit for big companies don't they ? Very true. There are changes we can all make in our lives… some of which are easier for some than others. This should be at the top of our agenda in this country. What gets me with this person in the hypocrisy she shows. She exemplifies the middle class show boating bullshit of ER. |
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Post by partickpotter on Aug 24, 2021 15:28:31 GMT
Not if it means I can't drive everywhere I want to, or fly off on a cheap holiday abroad when I want to, or I can't increase my energy consumption year on year by buying more and more gadgets I don't need, the latest phone and a huge telly. Which I suspect is how most people feel about the whole thing. That, and why should I, if <insert country here> won't. You really live a debauched lifestyle I rarely get in the car Haven’t been on a plane for forty odd years Use a second hand phone And since I’ve had a smart meter fitted I’m even paranoid about switching the heating on As for latest gadgets wouldn’t have a clue how to use them I rather suspect you ain’t one for fast fashion either. |
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 24, 2021 16:39:39 GMT
You really live a debauched lifestyle I rarely get in the car Haven’t been on a plane for forty odd years Use a second hand phone And since I’ve had a smart meter fitted I’m even paranoid about switching the heating on As for latest gadgets wouldn’t have a clue how to use them I rather suspect you ain’t one for fast fashion either. No funny enough I prefer slow long lasting fashion But it’s just one of the things that really pisses me off is the continual bombardment of this environmental issue than this one With people saying we have to do this we have to do that but no one ever has the balls to say oh by the way it’s going to cost every last one of us this amount The same as the majority of the extinction rebellion mob haven’t sat there for months on end juggling the heat or food debate |
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Post by NassauDave on Aug 25, 2021 11:18:26 GMT
A great little programme that Hugh and Anita did, what measures are you doing to reduce the use of plastic, post any good tips. We moved to milk bottles being delivered a couple of years ago. All fruit and meat bought at local shops taking our own containers. Spices, nuts, liquid soap, detergents bought from refill shops in Chester or Knutsford, any in Stoke yet? No soap shops in Burslem yet. |
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 28, 2021 9:24:34 GMT
Actually, I quite often hear people around here say, "if it were anything wrong with plastic, spray bottles or old cars and refrigerators, they wouldn't exist, would they?" and "you should be able to throw away whatever you like whereever you like. People used to do so, why change a tradition?" and finally "it's no use recycling things in different containers, it will only be mixed up when the garbage truck takes it away after all." Are they wrong? 😉 My neighbour some months ago said to me: "Are you recycling plastic bottles at the food store?", looking at my bag with plastic bottles, "Are you really doing that?" "Yes" "It would be under my dignity to do so!" I still don't know what he meant. Do you? I would ban all plastic packaging in retail completely, bottles,bags, containers,tubes, wrapping and any other items used in retail you can think of. I used to go to the shop and I'd get food in a paper bag if I didn't have my own shopping bag its time we stopped throwing millions on tones of plastic waste away its not needed anymore. You will be pleased with this news today: UK government to ban disposable plastic cutlery, plates, and cups: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58360064Hopefully good news for the pottery industry? |
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Post by franklin on Aug 28, 2021 9:53:00 GMT
I would ban all plastic packaging in retail completely, bottles,bags, containers,tubes, wrapping and any other items used in retail you can think of. I used to go to the shop and I'd get food in a paper bag if I didn't have my own shopping bag its time we stopped throwing millions on tones of plastic waste away its not needed anymore. You will be pleased with this news today: UK government to ban disposable plastic cutlery, plates, and cups: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-58360064Hopefully good news for the pottery industry? It is great news never understood the crap cutlery it was shite at best. Now to ban plastic bottles and we're getting somewhere. Hopefully there will be a boost for the pottery and steel manufacturers. |
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Aug 28, 2021 18:09:38 GMT
All this plastic banning isn't necessarily the answer though. It moves a problem elsewhere.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Aug 31, 2021 19:56:29 GMT
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Post by lawrieleslie on Sept 1, 2021 7:20:16 GMT
Well, if the founder of ER thinks it’s ok to drive a diesel car to ferry her kids to football and rugby not to mentioning vacationing in Costa Rica what hope is there ( link). If we expand on the story a bit: -
In a fractious interview on TalkRadio on Monday, Dr Gail Bradbrook said she drives a diesel car because she cannot afford an electric vehicle.
The 49-year-old, who founded XR in 2018, told presenter Cristo Foufas that she needs to use the car to take her children to rugby and football matches because there are no available buses near her home on a Sunday.Herein lies a problem, public transport or the lack of it, which needs to be addressed, I walked 10 miles on Sunday to Barmouth from Dolgellau along the Mawddach trail, buses back were at 12.30, 16.30 and 19.30, 2 busy tourist towns at each end of a trail recently built for leisure on a single train line closed during the Beech closures in the 60's, I got on the 16.30 and behind me a girl (late teens) went to get on with a bike, they wouldn't let her, no bikes allowed, she said she'd cycled there and was too tired to return, and would have to get someone to drive their to pick her up, after a few complaints from different people he let her on in the disabled bay as it wasn't been used. XR are also about getting governments changing the way they do things, not stopping people completely, why can't we move to do things like Denmark, Holland and build for cycling instead of crap new housing estates where houses have tiny gardens, and with no infrastructure improvements; They want to move away from the idea it's all about profit for big companies don't they ? Nail on head Northy. I live in Brixton just 6 miles from Plymouth, there is an hourly bus service to the city centre from 0700 every week day. However if you want to use the bus service to commute to work, the last bus from Plymouth is 1800. Not much help for many workers and totally useless if you want an evening in town. Ironically there is a bus service to Elburton about 2 miles closer to the city centre where the last bus is 2315 but the 2 mile walk from Elburton to Brixton is along a busy section of road with no footpaths or lighting. On Sundays there is no bus service at all to anywhere from Brixton. On a positive note cycling is getting much easier around Plymouth with many cycle lanes on roads, footpath sharing and stand alone cycle tracks. I can just about get to the city centre or Barbican from Brixton. I can also cycle 40 mile round trip to Tavistock mostly on cycle trails. |
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Post by wagsastokie on Sept 1, 2021 7:58:47 GMT
More of the eco do gooders clobbering the poor
Petrol changing from E5 to E10
Which is not compatible with cars over ten years old
Now I wonder what section of the community are relying on older cars where the existing E5 is going and super unleaded will be needed costing up to approx 10p a litre more
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Post by Northy on Sept 1, 2021 8:00:11 GMT
All this plastic banning isn't necessarily the answer though. It moves a problem elsewhere. How ? Just buy without packaging, plenty of plastic free shops popping up in towns, if people used them instead of supermarkets then the supermarkets would have to change quickly? Also you wouldn't need the oil and gas and energy use to make plastic in the first place. |
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Post by dutchstokie on Sept 1, 2021 8:09:53 GMT
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Post by superjw on Sept 1, 2021 8:24:36 GMT
More of the eco do gooders clobbering the poor Petrol changing from E5 to E10 Which is not compatible with cars over ten years old Now I wonder what section of the community are relying on older cars where the existing E5 is going and super unleaded will be needed costing up to approx 10p a litre more This is what it's all about, there is a fortune to be earned for the 1% out of "going green" That's the problem We will never see fundamental changes if it comes at a negative cost to people's lives. I could get an electric vehicle, but they are far too expensive and not enough infrastructure and technology to charge quickly, so I have a full Hybrid instead as it's more affordable. I wanted solar panels on my house as I have the right roof, but they cost a fortune to install. Renewable electricity tariffs are a complete con I live in a recently built house with a very efficient heating system, not a chance I will ever afford the quoted 10k cost to replace with heat pumps. I'm only on this earth once, if I want to travel and see the world I live on by plane, I will. If I want to purchase certain things I want, I will - it's not my fault it might be made in china or other countries and can't be sourced in the UK. There are loads of things the world can do, it really pisses me off that there's this idea that normal people trying to live their lives are the problem and have to pay the cost to make someone else rich, whilst making their own lives worse in the process. |
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Sept 1, 2021 9:52:02 GMT
All this plastic banning isn't necessarily the answer though. It moves a problem elsewhere. How ? Just buy without packaging, plenty of plastic free shops popping up in towns, if people used them instead of supermarkets then the supermarkets would have to change quickly? Also you wouldn't need the oil and gas and energy use to make plastic in the first place. I could have worded that better. Packaging-free products and refills are good of course (I saw a refill stall on Newcastle market recently, and I hope enough people become aware of it for it to be useful). A lot of replacements and plastic alternatives are causing issues was what I was meant to say. Bamboo straws for example can have a huge carbon footprint and also often include plastic despite being labelled as bamboo. 'Bags for life' are (according to some studies) not used often enough by most people to justify that 'for life' moniker and so have a worse impact on the environment than using normal plastic bags for each shop. We live in such a throwaway society (look at the scenes at the summer music festivals again this week) that a 'bag for life' is just something else to throw away. Supermarkets have sold tens of thousands more tonnes of plastic as a result of 'bags for life.' Recycled plastic is used in all sorts, from roads to clothes, and that just leads to more microplastics in the atmosphere and oceans. I sighed watching Dragons Den recently when an investor presented his carbon credits scheme, and Deborah Meaden (the environmental one) didn't call out certain issues with carbon credits (which could have been cut in the edit I suppose). But then she did call out a couple who presented a recycled product and how recycling is not the answer. 'Finally someone well known has said that!' I thought. 'Going green' is just an excuse to make more money, and the only reason the government care about it is because it's a good way to keep the economy growing (when such constant growth shouldn't even be a thing). It's largely done without thought as far as I can tell and a much more considered approach is needed. We DO need to change, but we're going about it the wrong way. |
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Post by Northy on Sept 1, 2021 10:39:22 GMT
How ? Just buy without packaging, plenty of plastic free shops popping up in towns, if people used them instead of supermarkets then the supermarkets would have to change quickly? Also you wouldn't need the oil and gas and energy use to make plastic in the first place. I could have worded that better. Packaging-free products and refills are good of course (I saw a refill stall on Newcastle market recently, and I hope enough people become aware of it for it to be useful). A lot of replacements and plastic alternatives are causing issues was what I was meant to say. Bamboo straws for example can have a huge carbon footprint and also often include plastic despite being labelled as bamboo. 'Bags for life' are (according to some studies) not used often enough by most people to justify that 'for life' moniker and so have a worse impact on the environment than using normal plastic bags for each shop. We live in such a throwaway society (look at the scenes at the summer music festivals again this week) that a 'bag for life' is just something else to throw away. Supermarkets have sold tens of thousands more tonnes of plastic as a result of 'bags for life.' Recycled plastic is used in all sorts, from roads to clothes, and that just leads to more microplastics in the atmosphere and oceans. I sighed watching Dragons Den recently when an investor presented his carbon credits scheme, and Deborah Meaden (the environmental one) didn't call out certain issues with carbon credits (which could have been cut in the edit I suppose). But then she did call out a couple who presented a recycled product and how recycling is not the answer. 'Finally someone well known has said that!' I thought. 'Going green' is just an excuse to make more money, and the only reason the government care about it is because it's a good way to keep the economy growing (when such constant growth shouldn't even be a thing). It's largely done without thought as far as I can tell and a much more considered approach is needed. We DO need to change, but we're going about it the wrong way. Yep, we need to move away from economic growth as a measure of the nation, someone better than me at it to look at maybe de-growth and citizen welfare and happiness as a measure? We have a good shop in town www.weighoftheworld.co.uk/ and all our seasonal fruit and veg comes from a local farm, we mostly eat what's in season from there groobox.co.uk/ wish more people would look at local businesses for some stuff instead of supermarkets all the time. Going green is also a good way of cleaning the air we breathe, and the water around us for wildlife etc. |
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Sept 1, 2021 11:46:23 GMT
I could have worded that better. Packaging-free products and refills are good of course (I saw a refill stall on Newcastle market recently, and I hope enough people become aware of it for it to be useful). A lot of replacements and plastic alternatives are causing issues was what I was meant to say. Bamboo straws for example can have a huge carbon footprint and also often include plastic despite being labelled as bamboo. 'Bags for life' are (according to some studies) not used often enough by most people to justify that 'for life' moniker and so have a worse impact on the environment than using normal plastic bags for each shop. We live in such a throwaway society (look at the scenes at the summer music festivals again this week) that a 'bag for life' is just something else to throw away. Supermarkets have sold tens of thousands more tonnes of plastic as a result of 'bags for life.' Recycled plastic is used in all sorts, from roads to clothes, and that just leads to more microplastics in the atmosphere and oceans. I sighed watching Dragons Den recently when an investor presented his carbon credits scheme, and Deborah Meaden (the environmental one) didn't call out certain issues with carbon credits (which could have been cut in the edit I suppose). But then she did call out a couple who presented a recycled product and how recycling is not the answer. 'Finally someone well known has said that!' I thought. 'Going green' is just an excuse to make more money, and the only reason the government care about it is because it's a good way to keep the economy growing (when such constant growth shouldn't even be a thing). It's largely done without thought as far as I can tell and a much more considered approach is needed. We DO need to change, but we're going about it the wrong way. Yep, we need to move away from economic growth as a measure of the nation, someone better than me at it to look at maybe de-growth and citizen welfare and happiness as a measure? We have a good shop in town www.weighoftheworld.co.uk/ and all our seasonal fruit and veg comes from a local farm, we mostly eat what's in season from there groobox.co.uk/ wish more people would look at local businesses for some stuff instead of supermarkets all the time. Going green is also a good way of cleaning the air we breathe, and the water around us for wildlife etc. The shop in Northwich looks cool. I'll mention it to my friend and brother who live that way in case they're not aware (my bro' grows his own food already - something I'd like to do more, but I feel like I'm away too often to look after the plants). I remember Hubanks in Newcastle(-under-Lyme, perhaps I should be saying for anyone outside the area reading). I'm 40, and even in my early 20s, they were still around providing food for refillables. It's not even that long ago, but people have got so used to convenience. I've generally always made my own sandwiches for lunch breaks to save money (with the occasional treat like the baguettes from the butcher's in Newcastle High Street - ask for meat juices = yum!), but from an environmental perspective am glad I've done that too. On a related note, it's sad seeing all the chains take over the high streets and people using them instead of local companies which often have locally-sourced food. |
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Post by iancransonsknees on Sept 1, 2021 14:28:21 GMT
Yep, we need to move away from economic growth as a measure of the nation, someone better than me at it to look at maybe de-growth and citizen welfare and happiness as a measure? We have a good shop in town www.weighoftheworld.co.uk/ and all our seasonal fruit and veg comes from a local farm, we mostly eat what's in season from there groobox.co.uk/ wish more people would look at local businesses for some stuff instead of supermarkets all the time. Going green is also a good way of cleaning the air we breathe, and the water around us for wildlife etc. The shop in Northwich looks cool. I'll mention it to my friend and brother who live that way in case they're not aware (my bro' grows his own food already - something I'd like to do more, but I feel like I'm away too often to look after the plants). I remember Hubanks in Newcastle(-under-Lyme, perhaps I should be saying for anyone outside the area reading). I'm 40, and even in my early 20s, they were still around providing food for refillables. It's not even that long ago, but people have got so used to convenience. I've generally always made my own sandwiches for lunch breaks to save money (with the occasional treat like the baguettes from the butcher's in Newcastle High Street - ask for meat juices = yum!), but from an environmental perspective am glad I've done that too. On a related note, it's sad seeing all the chains take over the high streets and people using them instead of local companies which often have locally-sourced food. Convenience in any form ultimately leads to dumbing down. |
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Post by mrcoke on Sept 2, 2021 14:14:31 GMT
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Post by elystokie on Sept 2, 2021 22:41:06 GMT
All this plastic banning isn't necessarily the answer though. It moves a problem elsewhere. How ? Just buy without packaging, plenty of plastic free shops popping up in towns, if people used them instead of supermarkets then the supermarkets would have to change quickly? Also you wouldn't need the oil and gas and energy use to make plastic in the first place. Did you know Yorkie Dunn from the mob Northy? He opened a few shops on the South coast called 'Easy Weigh' in the 80s while he was still in the mob, a mate and me did some work for him, similar concept to what you're on about. Famous for pissing off the officers at North Corner by parking his Rolls Royce in the ratings car park  |
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Sept 4, 2021 8:59:54 GMT
More of the eco do gooders clobbering the poor Petrol changing from E5 to E10 Which is not compatible with cars over ten years old Now I wonder what section of the community are relying on older cars where the existing E5 is going and super unleaded will be needed costing up to approx 10p a litre more This is what it's all about, there is a fortune to be earned for the 1% out of "going green" That's the problem We will never see fundamental changes if it comes at a negative cost to people's lives. I could get an electric vehicle, but they are far too expensive and not enough infrastructure and technology to charge quickly, so I have a full Hybrid instead as it's more affordable. I wanted solar panels on my house as I have the right roof, but they cost a fortune to install. Renewable electricity tariffs are a complete con I live in a recently built house with a very efficient heating system, not a chance I will ever afford the quoted 10k cost to replace with heat pumps. I'm only on this earth once, if I want to travel and see the world I live on by plane, I will. If I want to purchase certain things I want, I will - it's not my fault it might be made in china or other countries and can't be sourced in the UK. There are loads of things the world can do, it really pisses me off that there's this idea that normal people trying to live their lives are the problem and have to pay the cost to make someone else rich, whilst making their own lives worse in the process. Unfortunately, normal people living their lives are the problem, particularly 'western' lifestyles, but increasingly Chinese and Asian lifestyles as they seek to adopt more western ways of living. That's not to blame anyone, but it is to recognise that our existing way of life, driving everywhere, flying around the planet, burning fossil fuels, wrapping everything in plastic derived from oil etc etc is contributing enormously to a problem which may well end up being the death of us all if we don't drastically change things. That's just an unavoidable fact. That might sound melodramatic and I suspect most people would prefer not to believe it, partly because it's an unpleasant thought and partly because it means having to change their lifestyles, but it doesn't make it any less real. If governments really wanted to sort things out they could do so, we've just spent £400 billion on Covid for example without really thinking about it, yet climate change will be far more damaging than Covid ever will. So your solar panels could be provided for you, your EV could be subsidised etc etc, but we live in a capitalist free market society where profits come first, it's what makes the world go round apparently, so this government won't intervene on the whole, very little happens and things continue to get worse, because, ultimately, the people making the profits have absolutely no responsibility to do anything other than that. You won't see it reported anywhere, but global oil demand has risen every year this century, (except 2020 for obvious reasons) and is predicted to keep on rising, all while we know that burning fossil fuels is driving us towards extinction. |
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Post by thevoid on Sept 4, 2021 13:43:42 GMT
Perhaps to highlight the environmental crisis we're facing, sports people could make a gesture before each match- maybe stand on one leg and hop for a bit?
It'll mean jack shit and change nothing (apart from inducing the mass rolling of eyes) but it'll look good on social media or in a montage!
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Post by Northy on Sept 6, 2021 8:15:56 GMT
More of the eco do gooders clobbering the poor Petrol changing from E5 to E10 Which is not compatible with cars over ten years old Now I wonder what section of the community are relying on older cars where the existing E5 is going and super unleaded will be needed costing up to approx 10p a litre more This is what it's all about, there is a fortune to be earned for the 1% out of "going green" That's the problem We will never see fundamental changes if it comes at a negative cost to people's lives. I could get an electric vehicle, but they are far too expensive and not enough infrastructure and technology to charge quickly, so I have a full Hybrid instead as it's more affordable. I wanted solar panels on my house as I have the right roof, but they cost a fortune to install. Renewable electricity tariffs are a complete con I live in a recently built house with a very efficient heating system, not a chance I will ever afford the quoted 10k cost to replace with heat pumps. I'm only on this earth once, if I want to travel and see the world I live on by plane, I will. If I want to purchase certain things I want, I will - it's not my fault it might be made in china or other countries and can't be sourced in the UK. There are loads of things the world can do, it really pisses me off that there's this idea that normal people trying to live their lives are the problem and have to pay the cost to make someone else rich, whilst making their own lives worse in the process. £10k, how big is your house ? |
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Post by Northy on Sept 6, 2021 8:19:02 GMT
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