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Post by Davef on Jan 17, 2023 10:10:54 GMT
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Post by superjw on Jan 17, 2023 11:12:26 GMT
Great speech, there is a longer version on YouTube. This should be common sense but that's something severely lacking right now
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Post by superjw on Jan 17, 2023 11:14:07 GMT
It's top tier hypocrisy. They care not about the climate, they are about turning carbon into a taxable commodity. Save the planet by giving billions to governments and companies - ok then
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Post by Northy on Jan 17, 2023 16:28:38 GMT
It's top tier hypocrisy. They care not about the climate, they are about turning carbon into a taxable commodity. Save the planet by giving billions to governments and companies - ok then Rolls Royce have recently tested a Hydrogen run MTU engine, it's first roll out is at a power plant in Duisburg harbour. I remember going there a few years ago to watch Stoke play, oh them were the days !
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Post by superjw on Jan 18, 2023 10:00:47 GMT
You might have seen in the news about St Greta being arrested in Germany.
There are videos circulating showing it to be completely staged for the media. Don't believe everything you see in the media folks, she's just a child being paraded around in the guise of "climate change"
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Post by Davef on Jan 18, 2023 10:15:36 GMT
You might have seen in the news about St Greta being arrested in Germany. There are videos circulating showing it to be completely staged for the media. Don't believe everything you see in the media folks, she's just a child being paraded around in the guise of "climate change" Is anybody really falling for this bullshit?
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Post by superjw on Jan 18, 2023 10:32:44 GMT
You might have seen in the news about St Greta being arrested in Germany. There are videos circulating showing it to be completely staged for the media. Don't believe everything you see in the media folks, she's just a child being paraded around in the guise of "climate change" Is anybody really falling for this bullshit? Unfortunately many do and will go with everything they are fed through media. The "Climate Change" brand worries me, but not for climate change reasons.
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Post by superjw on Jan 18, 2023 10:33:34 GMT
It's top tier hypocrisy. They care not about the climate, they are about turning carbon into a taxable commodity. Save the planet by giving billions to governments and companies - ok then Rolls Royce have recently tested a Hydrogen run MTU engine, it's first roll out is at a power plant in Duisburg harbour. I remember going there a few years ago to watch Stoke play, oh them were the days ! Wasn't it a RR engine used by the RAF as well when they tested a biofuel run on one of their A330's? Also Schipol airport are trialing electric tugs that will taxi planes to and from the runway to avoid wasting fuel which is a great idea if it works
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 18, 2023 11:00:35 GMT
Astounding that so many are buying into this scam.
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Post by Northy on Jan 18, 2023 11:01:10 GMT
Rolls Royce have recently tested a Hydrogen run MTU engine, it's first roll out is at a power plant in Duisburg harbour. I remember going there a few years ago to watch Stoke play, oh them were the days ! Wasn't it a RR engine used by the RAF as well when they tested a biofuel run on one of their A330's? Also Schipol airport are trialing electric rugs that will taxi planes to and from the runway to avoid wasting fuel which is a great idea if it works Yes it was.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jan 18, 2023 15:47:32 GMT
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jan 18, 2023 16:01:04 GMT
On the whole full EV cars are a massive con and most people have fallen for them hook, line and sinker without actually stopping and thinking about the reality of what it takes to own one. They have their uses in nuance situations but in the main they are useless and not a realistic alternative to traditional cars. I have a self charge hybrid, best of both worlds as I get full EV mode at times with the backup that I still have an engine and fuel tank to take me home. With a fantastic MPG to go along with it. Why is it a con, I've had mine since June (after a Toyota Hybrid for 3 years), done over 8,500 miles, I've probably only paid about Β£100 or so on electric charge since I've had it, suits me to the ground, keep paying for your fuel and polluting the air we breathe I get my charge for free at work, all certified CO2 free power, the odd occasion I charge at home via the solar panels or after 11PM at night it's CO2 free. It takes a little bit of thinking now and then but I've booked holiday cottages that have EV chargers, I drove to Sussex last year and paid Β£6 to top back up, I've just booked a holiday in June that has the same ones that Tesco have (Ive topped up at a Tesco 3 times for free), the park and ride at Oxford I stopped at in December had about 30 chargers, all free, it was great for the day, they also Had Tesla and the new super fast charging stations that are appearing quite a lot now. The guy that @lawrieleslie showed his rant musn't have heard of Electric Juice, this link is 2 1/2 years old and it has grown a lot since then, it's a partner network www.mymoneycomparison.com/new-electric-juice-network-by-octopus-energy#:~:text=The%20Electric%20Juice%20network%20has%20been%20in%20the,of%20the%20charge%20point%20networks%20in%20the%20market. I agree that electric vehicles are a con (or at least how much they're being pushed as a short-term solution). The transition to electric cars is more likely to accelerate human-made climate change than help solve it. All the resources used to build and transport cars, 'old' cars being scrapped well before their lifetime, plus the need for completely new infrastructure (hydrogen is much more adaptable to current petrol stations, for example). Anything related to the environment that's "certified" makes me sceptical e.g. "certified CO2 free power." There's no such thing. Whatever that power comes from put CO2 into the atmosphere in its manufacture, transport, maintenance. Just like "Fairtrade" chocolate, it'll all come out how it isn't all as marketing/governments like to make it seem. We were lied to about the harmful effects of smoking, lied to about climate change, and we're still being lied to. All that most governments and big corporations care about is money. IMO, the only reason governments are transitioning to electric vehicles so quickly is to grow the economy. I'd willingly bet that George and Robert Stephenson's Locomotion No. 1 and it's 200-year-old technology had a lower carbon footprint than the average modern electric car. Consider it was a passenger train, and cars mostly transport one person at a time, it was built locally, and that it was in service for about the same length of time as an average car's lifetime. What's needed is investment in public transport so people don't rely on cars, along with (something 99% of governments will not say) moving past the fixation on growth. It's growth at all costs that's killing the planet.
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Post by superjw on Jan 18, 2023 16:15:32 GMT
Of course they are, these offsetting companies are selling a virtue and nothing more. Christ knows how much they have made and haven't really delivered on it. It always comes down to money at the end of the day and businesses profiting out of the climate change brand (which is what it is) I don't trust carbon offsetting and never have, it's nothing more than a carrot dangling Infront of consumers making them "feel something good" about their purchase been green or whatever. Most people see it and never think about it again other than a temporary feeling they have done right by the planet.
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Post by mtrstudent on Jan 18, 2023 16:19:17 GMT
We were lied to about the harmful effects of smoking, lied to about climate change, and we're still being lied to. All that most governments and big corporations care about is money. That's what gets me! The scientists were right about tobacco causing cancer but the tobacco companies lied to people. Now the scientists are right about climate change and the fossil fuel companies haved tricked loads of the public into thinking it's a conspiracy or something. And people are falling for their bullshit again. Don't trust the rich fuckers who are millions invested into fucking up people. Whether they're shilling lead in petrol, tobacco, opioids, CFCs or fossil fuels.
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Post by Northy on Jan 18, 2023 17:08:38 GMT
Why is it a con, I've had mine since June (after a Toyota Hybrid for 3 years), done over 8,500 miles, I've probably only paid about Β£100 or so on electric charge since I've had it, suits me to the ground, keep paying for your fuel and polluting the air we breathe I get my charge for free at work, all certified CO2 free power, the odd occasion I charge at home via the solar panels or after 11PM at night it's CO2 free. It takes a little bit of thinking now and then but I've booked holiday cottages that have EV chargers, I drove to Sussex last year and paid Β£6 to top back up, I've just booked a holiday in June that has the same ones that Tesco have (Ive topped up at a Tesco 3 times for free), the park and ride at Oxford I stopped at in December had about 30 chargers, all free, it was great for the day, they also Had Tesla and the new super fast charging stations that are appearing quite a lot now. The guy that @lawrieleslie showed his rant musn't have heard of Electric Juice, this link is 2 1/2 years old and it has grown a lot since then, it's a partner network www.mymoneycomparison.com/new-electric-juice-network-by-octopus-energy#:~:text=The%20Electric%20Juice%20network%20has%20been%20in%20the,of%20the%20charge%20point%20networks%20in%20the%20market. I agree that electric vehicles are a con (or at least how much they're being pushed as a short-term solution). The transition to electric cars is more likely to accelerate human-made climate change than help solve it. All the resources used to build and transport cars, 'old' cars being scrapped well before their lifetime, plus the need for completely new infrastructure (hydrogen is much more adaptable to current petrol stations, for example). Anything related to the environment that's "certified" makes me sceptical e.g. "certified CO2 free power." There's no such thing. Whatever that power comes from put CO2 into the atmosphere in its manufacture, transport, maintenance. Just like "Fairtrade" chocolate, it'll all come out how it isn't all as marketing/governments like to make it seem. We were lied to about the harmful effects of smoking, lied to about climate change, and we're still being lied to. All that most governments and big corporations care about is money. IMO, the only reason governments are transitioning to electric vehicles so quickly is to grow the economy. I'd willingly bet that George and Robert Stephenson's Locomotion No. 1 and it's 200-year-old technology had a lower carbon footprint than the average modern electric car. Consider it was a passenger train, and cars mostly transport one person at a time, it was built locally, and that it was in service for about the same length of time as an average car's lifetime. What's needed is investment in public transport so people don't rely on cars, along with (something 99% of governments will not say) moving past the fixation on growth. It's growth at all costs that's killing the planet. What about the build of a non electric car, that will still have a foot print, and then the many years of pollution from oil extraction, the surveying, the drilling, the tankers across oceans, the refinement, the shipping in tankers via roads, polluting etc etc etc, and then the pollution from the exhausts ? I've said on here a few times I'd like to see de-growth, why do we have a fixation on growth we should look at other ways of measuring the populations well being. That train bellowed out a lot of shit into the air though, one of the things I wanted an electric car for is to cut out pollution, another thing that was kept hidden, no doubt by the big oil companies, it prematurely kills lots of people.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jan 18, 2023 18:23:55 GMT
I agree that electric vehicles are a con (or at least how much they're being pushed as a short-term solution). The transition to electric cars is more likely to accelerate human-made climate change than help solve it. All the resources used to build and transport cars, 'old' cars being scrapped well before their lifetime, plus the need for completely new infrastructure (hydrogen is much more adaptable to current petrol stations, for example). Anything related to the environment that's "certified" makes me sceptical e.g. "certified CO2 free power." There's no such thing. Whatever that power comes from put CO2 into the atmosphere in its manufacture, transport, maintenance. Just like "Fairtrade" chocolate, it'll all come out how it isn't all as marketing/governments like to make it seem. We were lied to about the harmful effects of smoking, lied to about climate change, and we're still being lied to. All that most governments and big corporations care about is money. IMO, the only reason governments are transitioning to electric vehicles so quickly is to grow the economy. I'd willingly bet that George and Robert Stephenson's Locomotion No. 1 and it's 200-year-old technology had a lower carbon footprint than the average modern electric car. Consider it was a passenger train, and cars mostly transport one person at a time, it was built locally, and that it was in service for about the same length of time as an average car's lifetime. What's needed is investment in public transport so people don't rely on cars, along with (something 99% of governments will not say) moving past the fixation on growth. It's growth at all costs that's killing the planet. What about the build of a non electric car, that will still have a foot print, and then the many years of pollution from oil extraction, the surveying, the drilling, the tankers across oceans, the refinement, the shipping in tankers via roads, polluting etc etc etc, and then the pollution from the exhausts ? I've said on here a few times I'd like to see de-growth, why do we have a fixation on growth we should look at other ways of measuring the populations well being. That train bellowed out a lot of shit into the air though, one of the things I wanted an electric car for is to cut out pollution, another thing that was kept hidden, no doubt by the big oil companies, it prematurely kills lots of people. It's the build of electric (or any) cars at the expense of perfectly usable existing cars, that the push to electric cars accelerates perfectly usable cars to the scrapheap, and the fact that a completely new infrastructure is needed (as I think superjw said a couple of pages ago). There are also aspects of electric car production that are much more polluting than petrol car production. Pollution is more hidden with electric cars because it's not belting out of an exhaust and/or people can't smell it. But look at the supply chain, and you'll find lots of pollution and environmental concerns that usually affect poorer communities (some I'm sure you're aware of already). Electric cars are also an excuse to put even more cars on the road, and pollution also comes from wear e.g. tyre and brake wear puts a lot of carcinogens into the air, water, and soil - something that isn't mentioned by car companies and governments as more and more cars are added to roads. Like the congestion charges in city centres (and things like banning plastic straws), it's just moving the problems elsewhere. A few studies have shown congestion charges lead to more pollution, as drivers take longer journeys to avoid the charge, and because traffic gets clogged up somewhere else. All local councils/governments care about (plus the income they get from congestion charges) is the pollution sensors in their city centres so they can show they're meeting some target. I wouldn't be surprised if electric vehicle fires become a massive issue as usage grows too. The claims they're more at risk of fire have been exaggerated, but EV fires are much more difficult to put out, produce loads of toxins, and affected cars can still be unsafe weeks after. A Danish company invented what's basically a box to fill with water to keep electric vehicles that have been on fire in. As for oil surveying - we've got enough oil to last for decades, and surveying isn't even needed any more. And yeah, we agree on many things when it comes to the environment. I wouldn't criticise anyone for buying an electric car, but when it comes to solutions to climate change and the big push for electric cars, I'm in the "that's a con" camp. There are much more sustainable ways of making the transition, along with weaning people off cars or at the very least discouraging the growth of the car industry.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jan 18, 2023 18:36:37 GMT
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Post by elystokie on Jan 18, 2023 19:10:01 GMT
There's research going on to make tyres from plants, they can do it partially already, hemp and dandelions being the main candidates so far hempbuzz.com/question/can-they-make-hemp-rubber/Electric cars could be made almost entirely from hemp, including the body and batteries if the will and investment were there. We could capture carbon and drive around in it essentially.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jan 18, 2023 20:14:52 GMT
There's research going on to make tyres from plants, they can do it partially already, hemp and dandelions being the main candidates so far hempbuzz.com/question/can-they-make-hemp-rubber/Electric cars could be made almost entirely from hemp, including the body and batteries if the will and investment were there. We could capture carbon and drive around in it essentially. I like this kind of research, but I'd be worried about this being the only answer. See all the deforestation and farmland lost due to biofuel use. There isn't enough land to grow these plant-based solutions without destruction and increasing food prices. Vertical farming was seen as one answer in the UK, but it suddenly isn't as viable due to the increase in electricity prices, not to mention the contradiction of needing electricity to grow plants instead of the sun.
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Post by elystokie on Jan 18, 2023 21:32:04 GMT
There's research going on to make tyres from plants, they can do it partially already, hemp and dandelions being the main candidates so far hempbuzz.com/question/can-they-make-hemp-rubber/Electric cars could be made almost entirely from hemp, including the body and batteries if the will and investment were there. We could capture carbon and drive around in it essentially. I like this kind of research, but I'd be worried about this being the only answer. See all the deforestation and farmland lost due to biofuel use. There isn't enough land to grow these plant-based solutions without destruction and increasing food prices. Vertical farming was seen as one answer in the UK, but it suddenly isn't as viable due to the increase in electricity prices, not to mention the contradiction of needing electricity to grow plants instead of the sun. I totally agree that it shouldn't be the only answer, but it should form part of the answer, the larger we can manage the better. I worked briefly on a biogas place, anaerobic digestion, none of the crops were grown using artificial light, just harvested when ready and stored. There are varieties of hemp that will grow pretty much anywhere under natural light, the space to grow it could be a problem but given how many uses it has and how much CO2 it sequesters it should be far more of a consideration than it is currently.
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Post by riverman on Jan 20, 2023 8:30:30 GMT
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Jan 20, 2023 16:07:29 GMT
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 20, 2023 21:00:39 GMT
Well I wouldn't mention mine until a condescending twat brought it up That's a bit harsh on Lawrieleslie mate. Ironic statement given in reality, the electric car driving dork couldn't be further away from your average brexiteer (aka your average person). Your typical electric Skoda driving remoaner can often be seen buying new anoraks in Millets, plane spotting, reading the guardian or wearing NHS rainbow t shirts while they sip a soy latte in the local vegan caf in Brixton moaning about how the Tories are so mean to homeless people and how we need more masks and lockdowns to "protect the NHS"- All while wanking off to Greta. In fairness, given remoaners are more often than not ugly bastards, their obsession with mask wearing is somewhat understandable. Evening you 'orrible EU flag shagger π€
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Post by foster on Jan 21, 2023 8:49:40 GMT
That's a bit harsh on Lawrieleslie mate. Ironic statement given in reality, the electric car driving dork couldn't be further away from your average brexiteer (aka your average person). Your typical electric Skoda driving remoaner can often be seen buying new anoraks in Millets, plane spotting, reading the guardian or wearing NHS rainbow t shirts while they sip a soy latte in the local vegan caf in Brixton moaning about how the Tories are so mean to homeless people and how we need more masks and lockdowns to "protect the NHS"- All while wanking off to Greta. In fairness, given remoaners are more often than not ugly bastards, their obsession with mask wearing is somewhat understandable. Evening you 'orrible EU flag shagger π€ Put some dry knickers on mate. It's cold outside.
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Post by musik on Jan 21, 2023 10:37:58 GMT
Ironic statement given in reality, the electric car driving dork couldn't be further away from your average brexiteer (aka your average person). Your typical electric Skoda driving remoaner can often be seen buying new anoraks in Millets, plane spotting, reading the guardian or wearing NHS rainbow t shirts while they sip a soy latte in the local vegan caf in Brixton moaning about how the Tories are so mean to homeless people and how we need more masks and lockdowns to "protect the NHS"- All while wanking off to Greta. In fairness, given remoaners are more often than not ugly bastards, their obsession with mask wearing is somewhat understandable. Evening you 'orrible EU flag shagger π€ Put some dry knickers on mate. It's cold outside. Some are very observant about what people wear or what they do. I'm definitely not and have never been. I'm not sure even a nude person would make me react. I must be the worst witness around. I understand why I give people a headache with my mixed signals what I wear. It can't be easy. π€
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 21, 2023 10:38:28 GMT
Ironic statement given in reality, the electric car driving dork couldn't be further away from your average brexiteer (aka your average person). Your typical electric Skoda driving remoaner can often be seen buying new anoraks in Millets, plane spotting, reading the guardian or wearing NHS rainbow t shirts while they sip a soy latte in the local vegan caf in Brixton moaning about how the Tories are so mean to homeless people and how we need more masks and lockdowns to "protect the NHS"- All while wanking off to Greta. In fairness, given remoaners are more often than not ugly bastards, their obsession with mask wearing is somewhat understandable. Evening you 'orrible EU flag shagger π€ Put some dry knickers on mate. It's cold outside. Presumably you'll know that because you're freezing your bollocks off outside Parliament draped in your EU flag? βΊοΈ
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Post by scfcbiancorossi on Jan 21, 2023 10:38:54 GMT
Put some dry knickers on mate. It's cold outside. Some are very observant about what people wear. I'm definitely not and have never been. I'm not sure even a nude person would make me react. I must be the worst witness around. I understand why I give people a headache with my mixed signals what I wear. It can't be easy. π€ ππ
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Post by iancransonsknees on Jan 21, 2023 10:39:36 GMT
That's a bit harsh on Lawrieleslie mate. Ironic statement given in reality, the electric car driving dork couldn't be further away from your average brexiteer (aka your average person). Your typical electric Skoda driving remoaner can often be seen buying new anoraks in Millets, plane spotting, reading the guardian or wearing NHS rainbow t shirts while they sip a soy latte in the local vegan caf in Brixton moaning about how the Tories are so mean to homeless people and how we need more masks and lockdowns to "protect the NHS"- All while wanking off to Greta. In fairness, given remoaners are more often than not ugly bastards, their obsession with mask wearing is somewhat understandable. Evening you 'orrible EU flag shagger π€ LOL
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Post by Northy on Jan 24, 2023 16:05:18 GMT
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Post by foster on Jan 24, 2023 20:29:39 GMT
That's not going to help us much now is it.
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