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Post by neddy on Feb 1, 2021 16:02:31 GMT
No but the alternative is? Try and get him a really good move lined up? Way harder now but I don't think was 18 months ago. I just think we're lazy with these outgoings tbh. I think he will do whatever his agent pushes him towards and he knows we are over a barrel whilst his contract is in place.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 1, 2021 16:03:51 GMT
Try and get him a really good move lined up? Way harder now but I don't think was 18 months ago. I just think we're lazy with these outgoings tbh. I think he will do whatever his agent pushes him towards and he knows we are over a barrel whilst his contract is in place. Maybe but would he really turn down a move to a Palace or someone if we could have done it? Purely conjecture btw. I know he turned down Sheffield United at the start of last season but I would have done too.
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Post by Squeekster on Feb 1, 2021 16:15:22 GMT
Why would you buy him though when you know you just have to pay wages and we are almost forced to accept which his agent knows so well? Do we have to accept it? We could say no and his loan at the Turkish club has been cancelled he'd have to back wouldn't he?
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Post by baystokie on Feb 1, 2021 16:27:42 GMT
No but the alternative is? Try and get him a really good move lined up? Way harder now but I don't think was 18 months ago. I just think we're lazy with these outgoings tbh. As lazy as you are with your opinion on the club's 'laziness' which is based solely on your thinking it. 'Try and get him a really good move' - you know the club have not tried this or do you just 'think it'? Just unsubstantiated waffle for the sake of it.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 1, 2021 16:47:43 GMT
Try and get him a really good move lined up? Way harder now but I don't think was 18 months ago. I just think we're lazy with these outgoings tbh. As lazy as you are with your opinion on the club's 'laziness' which is based solely on your thinking it. 'Try and get him a really good move' - you know the club have not tried this or do you just 'think it'? Just unsubstantiated waffle for the sake of it. The club have been lazy in most things they do. I mean I really don't think it's for debate.
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Post by citynickscfc on Feb 1, 2021 16:49:16 GMT
As lazy as you are with your opinion on the club's 'laziness' which is based solely on your thinking it. 'Try and get him a really good move' - you know the club have not tried this or do you just 'think it'? Just unsubstantiated waffle for the sake of it. The club have been lazy in most things they do. I mean I really don't think it's for debate. This. Chip. And. PIN.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Feb 1, 2021 16:50:33 GMT
The club have been lazy in most things they do. I mean I really don't think it's for debate. This. Chip. And. PIN. What was that about? I mean it was beyond parody wasn't it.
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Post by citynickscfc on Feb 1, 2021 16:55:01 GMT
What was that about? I mean it was beyond parody wasn't it. It was as if we had just upgraded from dial up and fax because who needs internet, or any form of infrastructure off the field when you have football matters to attend to. But it's ok, we have frozen the price of early season tickets again (not really), and free away travel for everyone (not anymore). I heard FanZones concepts were shot down in recent fans discussions (pre-covid), unnecessary expenditure. I mean, who needs to invest in the fans anyway??👍 Hollow stadium to boot
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Feb 1, 2021 20:49:04 GMT
Dream Move.
He needs to be careful though, he's surely at risk of having his hand chopped off given he's been stealing a living the last 3 years.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 1, 2021 22:50:40 GMT
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Post by chiswickpotter on Feb 1, 2021 22:54:10 GMT
That looks like a good deal for us. Avoids having to worry about him this summer.
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Post by Championship Potter on Feb 1, 2021 23:10:40 GMT
Any word of a fee? Slightly depressing to sign a bloke for £14m and for him actually turn out to be half decent, but somehow the best we can do is repeated loans (with no doubt juicy signing on and agent fees) until his contract is up.
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Post by themistocles on Feb 1, 2021 23:11:53 GMT
Out of all of them to not get a fee for Badou is just shite
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Feb 1, 2021 23:15:44 GMT
£14 million and he’ll be going on a free.
In any other business they’d throw Scholes out onto the street and then sue him for damages.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Feb 1, 2021 23:19:08 GMT
The midfield was fine on Sat. Joe looks a little lost and I dont think the formation suits him but he still did ok. You don't defend with 10 men for 45 minutes and not concede with 'no midfield', agendas eh? The game was longer than 45 mins btw, he was awul, lost posession 17 times, 52% passing acc, ground duels attempted 5 won 0 and didn't make a single tackle. We didn't conceed because we sat back and the oppo didn't have a clue what to do when that happened, there's no agenda just facts. He was the worst of all three.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Feb 1, 2021 23:31:14 GMT
You can see why he kicked off so much about no wanting to play in the Championship when he’s good enough to be playing in Abu Dhabi.
What a move.
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Post by theonlooker on Feb 2, 2021 7:04:58 GMT
Best case scenario here is that they are paying all of his wages for the duration of his contract, thus wiping him out of the FFP calculations.
Wow, what a mess. That's what we've dropped to?
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Post by s7oke on Feb 2, 2021 7:14:39 GMT
Unless we sell for a decent price we can’t do anything but loan players out otherwise we will breach ffp rules.
These players are classed as assets a d their value decreases each season
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Post by themistocles on Feb 2, 2021 7:32:22 GMT
How on earth can we not get a fee out of someone.
Badou is no Wimmer. He's played well everywhere he's gone and played for big clubs in Turkey.
Another £14m loss.
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Post by theonlooker on Feb 2, 2021 7:39:45 GMT
Unless we sell for a decent price we can’t do anything but loan players out otherwise we will breach ffp rules. These players are classed as assets a d their value decreases each season It depends because the club actually wrote down a loss on the final Premier League accounts, so some players were actually wrote down in value against the accounts. Which one's we'll never know. You would assume they were all dropped to some degree? Even now though, at full contract value he's worth around 3-5M against the books. The fact we can't get that out of a club OR can't afford to take much of a loss on that figure shows just exactly how much of a mess we really are in, even allowing for a post covid world. Jacob Brown goes for 2M and League One players are still going for up to 1M worth. We've been run appallingly and akin to a parent that keeps throwing money at a spoilt child and wondering why their behaviour isn't improving.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Feb 2, 2021 7:43:52 GMT
The one decent bit of business from yesterday if they’re paying his wages.
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Post by Championship Potter on Feb 2, 2021 7:49:21 GMT
Unless we sell for a decent price we can’t do anything but loan players out otherwise we will breach ffp rules. These players are classed as assets a d their value decreases each season It depends because the club actually wrote down a loss on the final Premier League accounts, so some players were actually wrote down in value against the accounts. Which one's we'll never know. You would assume they were all dropped to some degree? Even now though, at full contract value he's worth around 3-5M against the books. The fact we can't get that out of a club OR can't afford to take much of a loss on that figure shows just exactly how much of a mess we really are in, even allowing for a post covid world. Jacob Brown goes for 2M and League One players are still going for up to 1M worth. We've been run appallingly and akin to a parent that keeps throwing money at a spoilt child and wondering why their behaviour isn't improving. Would have thought it would have been a struggle to write down Badou given he’d only just joined and was a first 11 player. I’m sure the write downs would have been the likes of Berahino and Imbula who were well out of the first team picture at the time. Bit of a shame we’ve never found someone willing to pay a few £m for what is a very capable and experienced midfielder. We really have had our pants pulled down by him and his agent. I guess the fee required to avoid FFP hit was always a bit too high. In hindsight we should have stuck him on the market as soon as we were relegated and hopefully found someone willing to take him for £10-12m.
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Post by pez75 on Feb 2, 2021 11:24:24 GMT
The midfield was fine on Sat. Joe looks a little lost and I dont think the formation suits him but he still did ok. You don't defend with 10 men for 45 minutes and not concede with 'no midfield', agendas eh? The game was longer than 45 mins btw, he was awul, lost posession 17 times, 52% passing acc, ground duels attempted 5 won 0 and didn't make a single tackle. We didn't conceed because we sat back and the oppo didn't have a clue what to do when that happened, there's no agenda just facts. He was the worst of all three. Statistically he probably was the worst of the three on the day, but they all played well IMO. The net effect was ultimately positive and he helped us secure a point under tricky circumstances - that is also a fact.
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Post by baystokie on Feb 2, 2021 18:30:50 GMT
As lazy as you are with your opinion on the club's 'laziness' which is based solely on your thinking it. 'Try and get him a really good move' - you know the club have not tried this or do you just 'think it'? Just unsubstantiated waffle for the sake of it. The club have been lazy in most things they do. I mean I really don't think it's for debate. Typical response from arrogant folk
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2021 18:42:30 GMT
The club have been lazy in most things they do. I mean I really don't think it's for debate. Typical response from arrogant folk Do you think they haven't. We are seemingly the only club in living memory who has, in a 3/4 year period given away, for free, players who cost in total about £70m. And there are plenty more to come. Vokes, Ince, Afobe, Woods, Etebo....adding another £40 odd million.
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Post by musik on Feb 2, 2021 18:45:32 GMT
Do Stoke City FC need someone to write proper deals? And someone who knows anything about marketing?
Maybe I should apply.
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 2, 2021 19:02:45 GMT
It depends because the club actually wrote down a loss on the final Premier League accounts, so some players were actually wrote down in value against the accounts. Which one's we'll never know. You would assume they were all dropped to some degree? Even now though, at full contract value he's worth around 3-5M against the books. The fact we can't get that out of a club OR can't afford to take much of a loss on that figure shows just exactly how much of a mess we really are in, even allowing for a post covid world. Jacob Brown goes for 2M and League One players are still going for up to 1M worth. We've been run appallingly and akin to a parent that keeps throwing money at a spoilt child and wondering why their behaviour isn't improving. Would have thought it would have been a struggle to write down Badou given he’d only just joined and was a first 11 player. I’m sure the write downs would have been the likes of Berahino and Imbula who were well out of the first team picture at the time. Bit of a shame we’ve never found someone willing to pay a few £m for what is a very capable and experienced midfielder. We really have had our pants pulled down by him and his agent. I guess the fee required to avoid FFP hit was always a bit too high. In hindsight we should have stuck him on the market as soon as we were relegated and hopefully found someone willing to take him for £10-12m. Didn't we agree a fee with Sheffield United, but he refused to go there?
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Post by Squeekster on Feb 2, 2021 19:11:57 GMT
Typical response from arrogant folk Do you think they haven't. We are seemingly the only club in living memory who has, in a 3/4 year period given away, for free, players who cost in total about £70m. And there are plenty more to come. Vokes, Ince, Afobe, Woods, Etebo....adding another £40 odd million. No they haven't they backed the managers they brought in and it seems all of them spunked millions on shit and the club are left to pick up the pieces!
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Post by stokefc on Feb 2, 2021 19:11:59 GMT
i don't give a shit about the money , i'm sure The Coates will cope , i'm just glad he's out the club..wanker
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2021 19:24:25 GMT
Do you think they haven't. We are seemingly the only club in living memory who has, in a 3/4 year period given away, for free, players who cost in total about £70m. And there are plenty more to come. Vokes, Ince, Afobe, Woods, Etebo....adding another £40 odd million. No they haven't they backed the managers they brought in and it seems all of them spunked millions on shit and the club are left to pick up the pieces! I'd grant you that with one or two players but we are talking 8 or 9 here, even more if you include Pieters and BMI
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