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Post by superjonscape on Aug 24, 2020 18:01:29 GMT
Obi has got to be automatic choice - unless he is useless at his age - instead of Cousins. Powell as playmaker is undropable, unless he's too busy winding up referees, in which case he'll incur a fair number of suspensions. Then he also has to stay fit, which wasn't a major problem last season. I see TOB as his proper alternative. That leaves just one place in a three man midfield. Clucas and Allen to battle it out, once Joe is fit to fight, unless a.n.other emerges (which I hope will happen). How about a free scoring midfielder who also creates something for the team? O'Neill has already indicated Obi and Allen will job share, neither will be regularly starting back to back games. However neither are match fit (both training mind) so won't start the season Clucas and Powell are clearly his first choice, would expect both to start regularly Cousins, Thompson, Sorrensson,TOB will all be second choices with presume at least one out on loan Edit: a free scoring midfielder (like Clucas) who also regularly creates (not like Clucas) when is last time we had one of those? Possibly never? I'll be surprised if clucas doesn't attract bids anytime now, 11 goals from centre mid shouldn't go unnoticed
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2020 18:51:24 GMT
Touche! Yes needs to improve Suppose the better measure is how many chances created (presumably still too low) It's moot anyway would expect Powell and Clucas to play most games with Allen and Obi job sharing Clucas was our best chance creator last season according to the stats. Chances created per 90 minutes (players who played more than 10 games): 1st Clucas 1.39 2nd McClean 1.3 3rd Edwards 1.27 4th Smith 1.16 5th Powell 1.03 6th Allen 0.63 6th Gregory 0.63 8th Thompson 0.6 9th Ince 0.57 10th Vokes 0.5 11th Campbell 0.41 If he made 1.39 chances per game, but only assisted 3 times in 45 games, then the former is very damning stat. Seems there is extremely poor quality in his "creations.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2020 18:53:14 GMT
O'Neill has already indicated Obi and Allen will job share, neither will be regularly starting back to back games. However neither are match fit (both training mind) so won't start the season Clucas and Powell are clearly his first choice, would expect both to start regularly Cousins, Thompson, Sorrensson,TOB will all be second choices with presume at least one out on loan Edit: a free scoring midfielder (like Clucas) who also regularly creates (not like Clucas) when is last time we had one of those? Possibly never? I'll be surprised if clucas doesn't attract bids anytime now, 11 goals from centre mid shouldn't go unnoticed Which might be the problem if he stays. Everyone knows he must be watched when he gets near goal.
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Post by superjonscape on Aug 24, 2020 18:55:39 GMT
I'll be surprised if clucas doesn't attract bids anytime now, 11 goals from centre mid shouldn't go unnoticed Which might be the problem if he stays. Everyone knows he must be watched when he gets near goal. I'll take that problem, frees space for others if it is the case. Good player clucas I like him
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Aug 24, 2020 19:15:14 GMT
Clucas was our best chance creator last season according to the stats. Chances created per 90 minutes (players who played more than 10 games): 1st Clucas 1.39 2nd McClean 1.3 3rd Edwards 1.27 4th Smith 1.16 5th Powell 1.03 6th Allen 0.63 6th Gregory 0.63 8th Thompson 0.6 9th Ince 0.57 10th Vokes 0.5 11th Campbell 0.41 If he made 1.39 chances per game, but only assisted 3 times in 45 games, then the former is very damning stat. Seems there is extremely poor quality in his "creations. What if Messi created 9 chances per game, but Keith Scott was on the end of them all and Messi only got 3 assists all season?
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Post by lordb on Aug 24, 2020 19:18:57 GMT
If he made 1.39 chances per game, but only assisted 3 times in 45 games, then the former is very damning stat. Seems there is extremely poor quality in his "creations. What if Messi created 9 chances per game, but Keith Scott was on the end of them all and Messi only got 3 assists all season? An actual real example was the start of the 1989/90 season where Beagrie, Hackett and Palin laid on chances any striker would dream of only for Dave Bamber to miss and miss and miss😩 Had we had even an average striker, say of the quality of a Vokes or an Afobe we wouldn't have gone down A good striker would have scored a bag full. So the point is it's more than the stats demonstrate.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Aug 24, 2020 19:26:08 GMT
What if Messi created 9 chances per game, but Keith Scott was on the end of them all and Messi only got 3 assists all season? An actual real example was the start of the 1989/90 season where Beagrie, Hackett and Palin laid on chances any striker would dream of only for Dave Bamber to miss and miss and miss😩 Had we had even an average striker, say of the quality of a Vokes or an Afobe we wouldn't have gone down A good striker would have scored a bag full. So the point is it's more than the stats demonstrate. Ah, yes - I see Bamber mentioned now and again in relation to his terrible finishing, but he was slightly before my time so didn't come to mind!
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Post by lordb on Aug 24, 2020 19:30:14 GMT
An actual real example was the start of the 1989/90 season where Beagrie, Hackett and Palin laid on chances any striker would dream of only for Dave Bamber to miss and miss and miss😩 Had we had even an average striker, say of the quality of a Vokes or an Afobe we wouldn't have gone down A good striker would have scored a bag full. So the point is it's more than the stats demonstrate. Ah, yes - I see Bamber mentioned now and again in relation to his terrible finishing, but he was slightly before my time so didn't come to mind! Easily the worst I've seen. Worse than Scott, worse than Pericard
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Aug 24, 2020 19:38:48 GMT
Ah, yes - I see Bamber mentioned now and again in relation to his terrible finishing, but he was slightly before my time so didn't come to mind! Easily the worst I've seen. Worse than Scott, worse than Pericard Oh well - who knows if we'd have had Sheron and Stein if we didn't have Scott and Bamber.
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Post by mickstupp on Aug 24, 2020 19:44:18 GMT
Ah, yes - I see Bamber mentioned now and again in relation to his terrible finishing, but he was slightly before my time so didn't come to mind! Easily the worst I've seen. Worse than Scott, worse than Pericard Oldham at home. I’ve never forgotten it because it’s the most astonishingly inept display of finishing I’ve ever seen. Curiously though, he did well and scored goals everywhere else he played . 🤔🤔
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Post by huuuuuth on Aug 24, 2020 19:46:13 GMT
Ah, yes - I see Bamber mentioned now and again in relation to his terrible finishing, but he was slightly before my time so didn't come to mind! Easily the worst I've seen. Worse than Scott, worse than Pericard That’s a big claim mate. They were all equally as abominable to me. Got a soft spot for lethal Keith Scott though - we somehow got Sheron in exchange 😂
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Post by lordb on Aug 24, 2020 19:48:56 GMT
Easily the worst I've seen. Worse than Scott, worse than Pericard That’s a big claim mate. They were all equally as abominable to me. Got a soft spot for lethal Keith Scott though - we somehow got Sheron in exchange 😂 Honestly Bamber was the worst, a tailers dummy on a piece of string would have scored more
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Post by mickstupp on Aug 24, 2020 19:49:05 GMT
Easily the worst I've seen. Worse than Scott, worse than Pericard That’s a big claim mate. They were all equally as abominable to me. Got a soft spot for lethal Keith Scott though - we somehow got Sheron in exchange 😂 Lou must have hypnotised O’Neill because he managed to persuade him to swap a donkey for a thoroughbred race horse.
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Post by huuuuuth on Aug 24, 2020 19:51:55 GMT
That’s a big claim mate. They were all equally as abominable to me. Got a soft spot for lethal Keith Scott though - we somehow got Sheron in exchange 😂 Honestly Bamber was the worst, a tailers dummy on a piece of string would have scored more Got to admit, he did always look like he’d had a few mogadon before going on the pitch
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Post by huuuuuth on Aug 24, 2020 19:52:55 GMT
That’s a big claim mate. They were all equally as abominable to me. Got a soft spot for lethal Keith Scott though - we somehow got Sheron in exchange 😂 Lou must have hypnotised O’Neill because he managed to persuade him to swap a donkey for a thoroughbred race horse. Norwich fans called him “miss it Mike” didn’t they?
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Post by mickstupp on Aug 24, 2020 20:27:23 GMT
Lou must have hypnotised O’Neill because he managed to persuade him to swap a donkey for a thoroughbred race horse. Norwich fans called him “miss it Mike” didn’t they? Lou always has a happy knack of getting the best out of his strikers. Not even he could work his magic on lethal Keith. To make matters worse, he was, by all accounts, a complete and utter arsehole off the pitch as well.
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Post by huuuuuth on Aug 24, 2020 20:29:18 GMT
Norwich fans called him “miss it Mike” didn’t they? Lou always has a happy knack of getting the best out of his strikers. Not even he could work his magic on lethal Keith. To make matters worse, he was, by all accounts, a complete and utter arsehole off the pitch as well. Really? Always thought Lou was pretty sound myself 😜😜
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Post by Fred Merger on Aug 24, 2020 20:32:10 GMT
Norwich fans called him “miss it Mike” didn’t they? Lou always has a happy knack of getting the best out of his strikers. Not even he could work his magic on lethal Keith. To make matters worse, he was, by all accounts, a complete and utter arsehole off the pitch as well. Didn't Vince Overson twat Keith Scott before he went to Norwich?
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Post by mickstupp on Aug 24, 2020 20:46:15 GMT
Lou always has a happy knack of getting the best out of his strikers. Not even he could work his magic on lethal Keith. To make matters worse, he was, by all accounts, a complete and utter arsehole off the pitch as well. Didn't Vince Overson twat Keith Scott before he went to Norwich? Yes. Scott welcomed our new loan signing David Brightwell into the dressing room with a handshake and a greeting of “welcome to the worst club in the country”. Vince simply gave him a swift slap across the chops.
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Post by march4 on Aug 24, 2020 20:46:48 GMT
Ahem….Hudson..... Alan Hudson was many things, but a free scoring midfielder he certainly wasn't. Brian Talbot?
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Post by Squeekster on Aug 24, 2020 21:22:22 GMT
Didn't Vince Overson twat Keith Scott before he went to Norwich? Yes. Scott welcomed our new loan signing David Brightwell into the dressing room with a handshake and a greeting of “welcome to the worst club in the country”. Vince simply gave him a swift slap across the chops. I really hope that's true and Bamber for many things was a trier and gave it ago which is more than can be said of some we've had down the years.
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Post by lordb on Aug 24, 2020 21:29:22 GMT
Alan Hudson was many things, but a free scoring midfielder he certainly wasn't. Brian Talbot? Think he only got 1? Belter v Grimsby in 6.0 cup win
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Post by lordb on Aug 24, 2020 21:30:10 GMT
Yes. Scott welcomed our new loan signing David Brightwell into the dressing room with a handshake and a greeting of “welcome to the worst club in the country”. Vince simply gave him a swift slap across the chops. I really hope that's true and Bamber for many things was a trier and gave it ago which is more than can be said of some we've had down the years. Can you imagine how bad he would have been had he stopped trying?😮
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Post by Squeekster on Aug 24, 2020 21:43:35 GMT
I really hope that's true and Bamber for many things was a trier and gave it ago which is more than can be said of some we've had down the years. Can you imagine how bad he would have been had he stopped trying?😮 8 goals in 43 games in one season wouldn't be a bad return these days!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2020 6:07:33 GMT
If he made 1.39 chances per game, but only assisted 3 times in 45 games, then the former is very damning stat. Seems there is extremely poor quality in his "creations. What if Messi created 9 chances per game, but Keith Scott was on the end of them all and Messi only got 3 assists all season? If you'll persuade Leo to come here, he's on a free after all, we'll take up a collection to persuade Scott to come out of retirement just to prove you wrong...
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 28, 2020 11:21:14 GMT
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Aug 28, 2020 11:22:54 GMT
1 million Euros? That is quite depressing.
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Post by Goonie on Aug 28, 2020 11:25:27 GMT
€1m? Ffs! At least he's off the books though
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Post by neddy on Aug 28, 2020 11:40:02 GMT
Wouldn’t that be a loan fee though?
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Post by Gob Bluth on Aug 28, 2020 11:46:03 GMT
Not sure why we're going back to yesteryear to find strikers who aren't great finishers to questions Clucas' ability when we have Vokes and Gregory.
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