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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2019 12:54:42 GMT
We can't just dismiss the numbers with Shawcross in the team though - nothing indicates he's in any way a problem. He looked as good as he's done for a while after Christmas last year. 4th best defensive record in the league over the season, improved marginally to joint 3rd just taking into account Jones' games. And the underlying numbers support the fact that we were very good defensively. According to that XG chart, we conceded the 3rd least XG over the season which suggests it was not a fluke - and Shawcross played 36 games Our defence improved under Jones? Am I reading your post correctly?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 2, 2019 13:04:38 GMT
We can't just dismiss the numbers with Shawcross in the team though - nothing indicates he's in any way a problem. He looked as good as he's done for a while after Christmas last year. 4th best defensive record in the league over the season, improved marginally to joint 3rd just taking into account Jones' games. And the underlying numbers support the fact that we were very good defensively. According to that XG chart, we conceded the 3rd least XG over the season which suggests it was not a fluke - and Shawcross played 36 games Our defence improved under Jones? Am I reading your post correctly? Yeah. Rowett 26 games 31 goals conceded (joint 7th best) Jones 20 games 21 goals conceded (joint 3rd best) Overall 46 games 52 goals conceded (4th best)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2019 13:05:50 GMT
Our defence improved under Jones? Am I reading your post correctly? Yeah. Rowett 26 games 31 goals conceded (joint 7th best) Jones 20 games 21 goals conceded (joint 3rd best) Overall 46 games 52 goals conceded (4th best) Thanks for the stats. That's quite an improvement all things considered, given a change in management mid season etc.
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Post by thehoof on Jun 2, 2019 14:27:06 GMT
We have different opinions, I don’t think he’s good he enough for the team, you do. There’s nowt wrong with having different opinions, nothing to do with being stupid. As I pointed out, 15 out of our 19 clean sheets featured Shawcross- this is a fact Your opinion is that if Shawcross plays we will concede a shed load of goals, which actually isn’t borne out by what happened and especially following his partnering with Batth. Your opinion is that he is slow and not good on the ball- do you honestly think that Batth, BMI and Williams ( who isn’t with us anymore) are quick or good on the ball?
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Post by wearepremierleague on Jun 2, 2019 15:46:31 GMT
We need another centre half. Neither Shawcross or Batth good enough in my opinion. And Martins Indi seems to have gone backwards.
But if it’s Williams I despair. He is absolutely garbage
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 2, 2019 16:19:51 GMT
We need another centre half. Neither Shawcross or Batth good enough in my opinion. And Martins Indi seems to have gone backwards. But if it’s Williams I despair. He is absolutely garbage NJ obviously rated Williams playing him over the likes of Collins even when we were safe from relegation, I can see this happening
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Post by gingerninja on Jun 2, 2019 16:21:43 GMT
Williams makes no sense at all, we have experience in the CB department, a young one like Kalas does make sense however. This is Stoke do Williams it is.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 2, 2019 16:23:55 GMT
Williams makes no sense at all, we have experience in the CB department, a young one like Kalas does make sense however. This is Stoke do Williams it is. Kalas is 26, he’s not really young is he?
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 2, 2019 16:24:17 GMT
Williams makes no sense at all, we have experience in the CB department, a young one like Kalas does make sense however. This is Stoke do Williams it is. With Coco the feckin clown thrown in for good measure
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Post by dreamtheater on Jun 2, 2019 16:36:20 GMT
What happened to the young Irish and very talented 18 year old of ours, Manchester United are supposed to be chasing ? And surely as part of this equation ? Have we all forgot about him ? I had assumed with all this potential and interest, he'd be getting first team games next season too......Apparently not tho ?😞
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jun 2, 2019 17:53:36 GMT
Younes Kaboul.
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Post by baystokie on Jun 2, 2019 19:01:08 GMT
What happened to the young Irish and very talented 18 year old of ours, Manchester United are supposed to be chasing ? And surely as part of this equation ? Have we all forgot about him ? I had assumed with all this potential and interest, he'd be getting first team games next season too......Apparently not tho ?😞 Everything you say may be all true - or all wrong? The problem with a news vacuum is that folks still feel the need to pass an opinion or make a comment - which becomes ludicrous when it's based on bugger all having actually happened or happening.It's not even based on what may happen as there's no certainty that any of the names bandied about are on NJ's A,B,C or whatever list. The Summer Window thread had 1400+ posts last time I looked - without a single fact on which to base any of them. .......and we accuse the Sentinel of non-stories
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Post by hyaduck on Jun 2, 2019 22:00:32 GMT
We have different opinions, I don’t think he’s good he enough for the team, you do. There’s nowt wrong with having different opinions, nothing to do with being stupid. As I pointed out, 15 out of our 19 clean sheets featured Shawcross- this is a fact Your opinion is that if Shawcross plays we will concede a shed load of goals, which actually isn’t borne out by what happened and especially following his partnering with Batth. Your opinion is that he is slow and not good on the ball- do you honestly think that Batth, BMI and Williams ( who isn’t with us anymore) are quick or good on the ball? I don’t think any of our centre backs are quick or good on the ball as that is a place we need too strengthen. I would say out of all the Batth would be the better out of the four, so if we’re unable too find a decent or two centre half’s then I would risk either one of Souttar or Collins.
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Post by timberdick on Jun 2, 2019 22:16:54 GMT
Williams makes no sense at all, we have experience in the CB department, a young one like Kalas does make sense however. This is Stoke do Williams it is. Kalas is 26, he’s not really young is he? For a center back he’s young
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 2, 2019 22:46:54 GMT
Kalas is 26, he’s not really young is he? For a center back he’s young It really isn’t. It’s neither here nor there. He’s got plenty of experience and he’s still got a few good years left.
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Post by timberdick on Jun 2, 2019 22:52:14 GMT
For a center back he’s young It really isn’t. It’s neither here nor there. He’s got plenty of experience and he’s still got a few good years left. I would think he has not hit his prime yet. I’d rather we went for this type of player than old, experience but declining (Williams). Not sure we need a cb yet though.
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Post by potterpaul on Jun 2, 2019 23:00:08 GMT
Yeah. Rowett 26 games 31 goals conceded (joint 7th best) Jones 20 games 21 goals conceded (joint 3rd best) Overall 46 games 52 goals conceded (4th best) Thanks for the stats. That's quite an improvement all things considered, given a change in management mid season etc. Yep straight from Lambert's Book How to improve while going backwards
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 2, 2019 23:05:44 GMT
We have different opinions, I don’t think he’s good he enough for the team, you do. There’s nowt wrong with having different opinions, nothing to do with being stupid. As I pointed out, 15 out of our 19 clean sheets featured Shawcross- this is a fact Your opinion is that if Shawcross plays we will concede a shed load of goals, which actually isn’t borne out by what happened and especially following his partnering with Batth. Your opinion is that he is slow and not good on the ball- do you honestly think that Batth, BMI and Williams ( who isn’t with us anymore) are quick or good on the ball? So we sign players that are.
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Post by thehoof on Jun 2, 2019 23:27:01 GMT
As I pointed out, 15 out of our 19 clean sheets featured Shawcross- this is a fact Your opinion is that if Shawcross plays we will concede a shed load of goals, which actually isn’t borne out by what happened and especially following his partnering with Batth. Your opinion is that he is slow and not good on the ball- do you honestly think that Batth, BMI and Williams ( who isn’t with us anymore) are quick or good on the ball? So we sign players that are. Hopefully.
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Post by dreamtheater on Jun 3, 2019 11:03:19 GMT
Still not understanding why we are out for another centre back whilst our 18year old irish ladhas been bid for by Manchester United ??? If hes good enough he is old enough
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Post by nott1 on Jun 3, 2019 11:08:32 GMT
Yeah. Rowett 26 games 31 goals conceded (joint 7th best) Jones 20 games 21 goals conceded (joint 3rd best) Overall 46 games 52 goals conceded (4th best) Thanks for the stats. That's quite an improvement all things considered, given a change in management mid season etc. The other end needs vast improvement if we are to gain promotion.
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Post by itsmorethanagame on Jun 3, 2019 11:29:03 GMT
Kalas is another one we were linked with last summer isn’t he? Championship experience so fits the bill perfectly. I’d be amazed if it isn’t Kalas who Spinks is talking about.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 3, 2019 11:53:46 GMT
Kalas is another one we were linked with last summer isn’t he? Championship experience so fits the bill perfectly. I’d be amazed if it isn’t Kalas who Spinks is talking about. Kalas or Hector would make sense - so am fully expecting it to be someone else!
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Post by baystokie on Jun 3, 2019 11:54:10 GMT
Still not understanding why we are out for another centre back whilst our 18year old irish ladhas been bid for by Manchester United ??? If hes good enough he is old enough With Man Utd, he could be 'carried' by the rest of their defence (should he get game time in the Prem). There's no way OUR defence could 'carry' him even in the Championship. Even if we play Collins in our defence, are our fans prepared for the natural ups and down in performance that are the norm for teenage defenders?
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Post by itsmorethanagame on Jun 3, 2019 12:06:01 GMT
Kalas is another one we were linked with last summer isn’t he? Championship experience so fits the bill perfectly. I’d be amazed if it isn’t Kalas who Spinks is talking about. Kalas or Hector would make sense - so am fully expecting it to be someone else! Yes just seen your post on Hector. Him and Kalas both appear to have had great seasons for their respective clubs. Bristol are apparently desperate to sign Kalas permanently but face competition. Comments from their fans about him being a class act and better than them. He would perhaps be slightly pricier than Hector. If BMI goes (which is likely) and Collins has had his head turned by Man Utd, we will definitely be in need of a centre back. Be surprised if it wasn’t Hector or Kalas but something is telling me it’s Kalas who we could be in for.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Jun 3, 2019 12:37:53 GMT
Still not understanding why we are out for another centre back whilst our 18year old irish ladhas been bid for by Manchester United ??? If hes good enough he is old enough With Man Utd, he could be 'carried' by the rest of their defence (should he get game time in the Prem). There's no way OUR defence could 'carry' him even in the Championship. Even if we play Collins in our defence, are our fans prepared for the natural ups and down in performance that are the norm for teenage defenders? So, Collins would be carried by the rest of Man U's defence? What utter rubbish.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2019 13:16:01 GMT
Thanks for the stats. That's quite an improvement all things considered, given a change in management mid season etc. The other end needs vast improvement if we are to gain promotion. Agreed. Hopefully that will be addressed this summer, both in terms of recruitment and system.
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Post by liathroid on Jun 3, 2019 13:41:40 GMT
How about Connor Masterson 20 year old ,just been released by Liverpool ,now playing for Irish u21 v China on Freesports
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 3, 2019 14:01:01 GMT
How about Connor Masterson 20 year old ,just been released by Liverpool ,now playing for Irish u21 v China on Freesports He's got U23 squad player who hope may do something maybe written all over him*. *I've never seen him play but his record makes Collins look experienced Looks a decent gamble for that though. Ie no pressure and if he performs a route to first team football.
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Post by liathroid on Jun 3, 2019 14:09:42 GMT
How about Connor Masterson 20 year old ,just been released by Liverpool ,now playing for Irish u21 v China on Freesports He's got U23 squad player who hope may do something maybe written all over him*. *I've never seen him play but his record makes Collins look experienced Looks a decent gamble for that though. Ie no pressure and if he performs a route to first team football. Just thought I might throw another name into the ring
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