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Post by lordb on Jun 1, 2019 17:47:54 GMT
We'll use five centre backs in a season at least. Wouldn't be adverse to Souttar going out on loan again Edit: yes Collins (if we keep him) has to be given games. Might need a break later. Will we? And then having 4/5 front line CBs unless you plant to use a back 3 more often than not is ott. Surely it’s do or die for Souttar? I’d want to be sold if I was him and I was told it was another loan. Agreed re Collins. I’d like to think of everything went right he’d play 30 games. Last season we used Shawcross, Williams,Bruno,Baath and Collins Two of those will be gone in all probability and Ryan is a year older One senior centre back in with Collins playing more (with Ryan starting less) fits I'd say. We've had seasons where six centre backs have been used. Jones seemed happy with three at the back at times,we might see that as plan B quite often? Alternatively if we sign a defensive midfielder who can slot in at the back (e.g the guy at Rotherham whose name I always forget) then four centre backs including Collins might work better. Mayve Collins will go out on loan with Souttar staying here? Would prefer the other way round, be surprised if both stay without one bring loaned out. All this is assuming Bruno is off.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 17:52:54 GMT
I remember a lot of us, bayern included, last summer saying that we thought the defence was top class and didn't need reinforcements. Then look what happened.
If Jones thinks he doesn't trust bruno and shawcross then after last season that is understandable
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Post by themistocles on Jun 1, 2019 17:55:42 GMT
I'm with Bayern. CB not a priority just play Collins.
LB is however and Justin would be ideal
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 1, 2019 17:56:40 GMT
I remember a lot of us, bayern included, last summer saying that we thought the defence was top class and didn't need reinforcements. Then look what happened. If Jones thinks he doesn't trust bruno and shawcross then after last season that is understandable I'm not sure why anyone thought the defence was first class tbh, it was pretty clear it needed improvements.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 1, 2019 17:56:47 GMT
Will we? And then having 4/5 front line CBs unless you plant to use a back 3 more often than not is ott. Surely it’s do or die for Souttar? I’d want to be sold if I was him and I was told it was another loan. Agreed re Collins. I’d like to think of everything went right he’d play 30 games. Last season we used Shawcross, Williams,Bruno,Baath and Collins Two of those will be gone in all probability and Ryan is a year older One senior centre back in with Collins playing more (with Ryan starting less) fits I'd say. We've had seasons where six centre backs have been used. Jones seemed happy with three at the back at times,we might see that as plan B quite often? Alternatively if we sign a defensive midfielder who can slot in at the back (e.g the guy at Rotherham whose name I always forget) then four centre backs including Collins might work better. Mayve Collins will go out on loan with Souttar staying here? Would prefer the other way round, be surprised if both stay without one bring loaned out. All this is assuming Bruno is off. If we loan Collins out then we don’t deserve any nice things at this club. 4 CBs should be plenty. We used so many this time because we haven’t got the two left backs we need.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 17:57:47 GMT
I'm pretty certain Nathan Jones knows what he needs and wants. If he wants another centre half then we should get him one that falls in budget.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 1, 2019 17:58:27 GMT
I remember a lot of us, bayern included, last summer saying that we thought the defence was top class and didn't need reinforcements. Then look what happened. If Jones thinks he doesn't trust bruno and shawcross then after last season that is understandable It was fine. We needed a midfield to protect it. Etebo arrived in February.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 1, 2019 17:59:00 GMT
I'm pretty certain Nathan Jones knows what he needs and wants. If he wants another centre half then we should get him one that falls in budget. You’re giving a lot of faith to a bloke who had looked nothing but out of his depth.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jun 1, 2019 18:17:05 GMT
I remember a lot of us, bayern included, last summer saying that we thought the defence was top class and didn't need reinforcements. Then look what happened. If Jones thinks he doesn't trust bruno and shawcross then after last season that is understandable It was fine. We needed a midfield to protect it. Etebo arrived in February. It was far from fine.
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Post by lordb on Jun 1, 2019 18:19:12 GMT
I'm pretty certain Nathan Jones knows what he needs and wants. If he wants another centre half then we should get him one that falls in budget. You’re giving a lot of faith to a bloke who had looked nothing but out of his depth. Back the manager or sack him. Always.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 1, 2019 18:31:44 GMT
You’re giving a lot of faith to a bloke who had looked nothing but out of his depth. Back the manager or sack him. Always. We’ve sacked them for less There’s got to be some direction from the club imo re Collins. What I don’t like about that is the calibre of the man doing it.
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Post by sean on Jun 1, 2019 18:44:57 GMT
A very wise chairman once said you can never have enough centre halves
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Post by themistocles on Jun 1, 2019 18:54:13 GMT
Clarke from Newcastle would be my guess
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Post by thevoid on Jun 1, 2019 18:57:51 GMT
Good guess Manga at Cardiff. Free agent. Can also play RB if Edwards is out injured. I like Manga- he always seems rather animated though.
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Post by somersetstokie on Jun 1, 2019 19:04:11 GMT
I remember a lot of us, bayern included, last summer saying that we thought the defence was top class and didn't need reinforcements. Then look what happened. If Jones thinks he doesn't trust bruno and shawcross then after last season that is understandable It was fine. We needed a midfield to protect it. Etebo arrived in February. [/b] ??Etebo arrived in June 2018.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 1, 2019 19:06:36 GMT
It was fine. We needed a midfield to protect it. Etebo arrived in February. [/b] ??Etebo arrived in June 2018.[/quote] I meant as a credible midfielder putting in consistent performances.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 19:18:46 GMT
So who we relying on as centre backs if we don’t get any in?
A 17 year old whose played what? 120 mins of professional football?
Indi whose an absolute fanny?
Shawcross who turned up for a quarter of the season and only when carried by a proper leader next to him.
Haven’t we learnt a thing from last season, the defence was gash.
Start with Shawcross and Indi next season and the same issues will still be there.
I suppose we can enjoy those expertly executed diagonal balls from Ryan, ya know the 1 in 100.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jun 1, 2019 19:19:57 GMT
So who we relying on as centre backs if we don’t get any in? A 17 year old whose played what? 120 mins of professional football? Indi whose an absolute fanny? Shawcross who turned up for a quarter of the season and only when carried by a proper leader next to him. Haven’t we learnt a thing from last season, the defence was gash. Start with Shawcross and Indi next season and the same issues will still be there. I suppose we can enjoy those expertly executed diagonal balls from Ryan, ya know the 1 in 100. Spot on
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 1, 2019 19:22:02 GMT
Who’s saying to start with Shawcross and Indi?
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Post by sportsman on Jun 1, 2019 19:43:26 GMT
So who we relying on as centre backs if we don’t get any in? A 17 year old whose played what? 120 mins of professional football? Indi whose an absolute fanny? Shawcross who turned up for a quarter of the season and only when carried by a proper leader next to him. Haven’t we learnt a thing from last season, the defence was gash. Start with Shawcross and Indi next season and the same issues will still be there. I suppose we can enjoy those expertly executed diagonal balls from Ryan, ya know the 1 in 100. Exactly
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jun 1, 2019 19:43:52 GMT
Watch it be Phil Jones on loan after we sell Collins to Man Utd for about £2.50 and a sub-par handjob. First name I thought of!
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Post by Veritas on Jun 1, 2019 20:03:04 GMT
Watch it be Phil Jones on loan after we sell Collins to Man Utd for about £2.50 and a sub-par handjob. First name I thought of! If Phil Jones leaves Man U, which is likely, he will not be going to a mid table Championship side.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Jun 1, 2019 20:05:18 GMT
Micah Richards. Released by villa, not played since 2016 . Perfect.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Jun 1, 2019 20:14:38 GMT
If Phil Jones leaves Man U, which is likely, he will not be going to a mid table Championship side. For sure. Just saying he's the one I thought of. Fuck knows why. Could be Jagielka, for all I know!
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Post by crapslinger on Jun 1, 2019 20:31:17 GMT
Whoever it is I am just glad we are looking at young hungrier players as the manager stated he wanted, there's a reason we haven't signed any of the players we have been linked with ! maybe Nath has put his foot down and told the pizza boys to fuck off with their old freebie offerings if he has he will have gone up in my book.
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Post by thehoof on Jun 1, 2019 20:48:14 GMT
So who we relying on as centre backs if we don’t get any in? A 17 year old whose played what? 120 mins of professional football? Indi whose an absolute fanny? Shawcross who turned up for a quarter of the season and only when carried by a proper leader next to him. Haven’t we learnt a thing from last season, the defence was gash. Start with Shawcross and Indi next season and the same issues will still be there. I suppose we can enjoy those expertly executed diagonal balls from Ryan, ya know the 1 in 100. We kept 19 clean sheets- Shawcross played in 15 of those clean sheets, some of you lot really are blind.
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Post by tony1234 on Jun 1, 2019 20:49:22 GMT
Am trying to put myself in NJ's mind when he imagines athletic fast players....
Wes Morgan Phil Jagielka Kevin Long?
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Post by lordb on Jun 1, 2019 20:53:42 GMT
So who we relying on as centre backs if we don’t get any in? A 17 year old whose played what? 120 mins of professional football? Indi whose an absolute fanny? Shawcross who turned up for a quarter of the season and only when carried by a proper leader next to him. Haven’t we learnt a thing from last season, the defence was gash. Start with Shawcross and Indi next season and the same issues will still be there. I suppose we can enjoy those expertly executed diagonal balls from Ryan, ya know the 1 in 100. We kept 19 clean sheets- Shawcross played in 15 of those clean sheets, some of you lot really are blind. Yup Problem was clearly at the other end
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Post by heworksardtho on Jun 1, 2019 21:00:03 GMT
Micah Richards. Released by villa, not played since 2016 . Perfect. He’s been saving his legs 😎
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Post by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 21:01:33 GMT
So who we relying on as centre backs if we don’t get any in? A 17 year old whose played what? 120 mins of professional football? Indi whose an absolute fanny? Shawcross who turned up for a quarter of the season and only when carried by a proper leader next to him. Haven’t we learnt a thing from last season, the defence was gash. Start with Shawcross and Indi next season and the same issues will still be there. I suppose we can enjoy those expertly executed diagonal balls from Ryan, ya know the 1 in 100. We kept 19 clean sheets- Shawcross played in 15 of those clean sheets, some of you lot really are blind. You are totally correct. The only question I would ask is going forwards, if the manager wants to be more expansive with the diamond, is the defence in it's current form capable of keeping the same amount of clean sheets, or does it need tweaking? Luton were notorious high scorers under Jones but also very tight defensively too.
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