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Post by desman2 on May 25, 2019 10:25:19 GMT
You might be right in some ways Bath But Supposing a majority of people actually wanted to not be in the EU.... how had they supposed to do it? Should they just be quiet and put up with being a member? Why? This isnt about maths is it. When democracy hangs by such a small thread it’s in danger. That’s why Cameron was such a cnut to call it ⚖️ Depends how a person sees it. Some think 52 48 is a thread. Others see 1.3 million people as a hell of a lot of people.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 25, 2019 10:27:14 GMT
It does not answer my question though. If we were not in the EU ,do you think that there should be s mechanism to take us in or ,( and I'm not necessarily saying that Y think that you are wrong) are you saying that we should just leave everything to MOd , who always know better. Or is it just those that you agree with that know better,? If the Remainers had simply accepted the result ( democracy as you say, hanging by a thread) we could have been out by now. You sure? Out how? No deal out? Take all the remainers out of the equation and there is still a myriad of bitter infighting re what sort of Brexit. We've done this before. Start at page one on the " what's next for BREXIT thread," Good luck
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Post by mattyd on May 25, 2019 10:37:21 GMT
In a General Election, Boris v Corbynski would be too close to call, both unlikeable, both unelectable, both divisive.
Boris v AN Other Labour Leader, Labour would win.
Anyone but Boris v Corbynsky AN other would win.
AN Other Tory v AN Other Labour, The Tories would scrape it.
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Post by trickydicky73 on May 25, 2019 10:40:30 GMT
In a General Election, Boris v Corbynski would be too close to call, both unlikeable, both unelectable, both divisive. Boris v AN Other Labour Leader, Labour would win. Anyone but Boris v Corbynsky AN other would win. AN Other Tory v AN Other Labour, The Tories would scrape it. You could be right. Who would you pick if you were a Tory MP, though?
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Post by mattyd on May 25, 2019 10:46:33 GMT
Hunt or Stewart. But gone are the days of strong leaders, they are all piss weak.
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Post by Davef on May 25, 2019 10:54:27 GMT
70,000 senile old right wing farts choosing the next PM to make the toughest choices since the war. That's British democracy folks. That's rubbish. It's 125,000 senile old right wing farts actually.
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Post by auntiegeorge on May 25, 2019 11:00:08 GMT
Boris all day long for me, and he would win a general election against anybody. I don't like him though because he is in the same mould as Cameron and comes with enough baggage to fill a 747. But he does have two qualities none of the others have: charisma and name recognition. That's what will win an election and what the Tories desperately need now.
It's often said the favourite rarely makes it to No.10. Witness Thatcher and Major. But this time it's different. Very, very different.
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Post by thevoid on May 25, 2019 11:01:49 GMT
70,000 senile old right wing farts choosing the next PM to make the toughest choices since the war. That's British democracy folks. Perhaps JC should commit to an opinion on Brexit then? That should be the minimum requirement if he wants a GE. And by the way, there are a lot of young members of the Conservatives, I thought you were against making wholesale generalisations?
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Post by trickydicky73 on May 25, 2019 11:01:55 GMT
Hunt or Stewart. But gone are the days of strong leaders, they are all piss weak. Don't like Plug. Hunt is a good bet, I reckon ; seems well liked in the party.
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Post by 3putts on May 25, 2019 11:02:35 GMT
Boris all day long for me, and he would win a general election against anybody. I don't like him though because he is in the same mould as Cameron and comes with enough baggage to fill a 747. But he does have two qualities none of the others have: charisma and name recognition. That's what will win an election and what the Tories desperately need now. It's often said the favourite rarely makes it to No.10. Witness Thatcher and Major. But this time it's different. Very, very different. Boris Ffs the whole world is laughing at us
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Post by thevoid on May 25, 2019 11:04:47 GMT
You might be right in some ways Bath But Supposing a majority of people actually wanted to not be in the EU.... how had they supposed to do it? Should they just be quiet and put up with being a member? Why? Don't forget we were never asked if we wanted to go in, in the first place! Then we were conned into staying in by politicians from all parties. This has been festering for years. We didn't know what we were voting for in 1975.
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Post by auntiegeorge on May 25, 2019 11:05:13 GMT
Boris all day long for me, and he would win a general election against anybody. I don't like him though because he is in the same mould as Cameron and comes with enough baggage to fill a 747. But he does have two qualities none of the others have: charisma and name recognition. That's what will win an election and what the Tories desperately need now. It's often said the favourite rarely makes it to No.10. Witness Thatcher and Major. But this time it's different. Very, very different. Boris Ffs the whole world is laughing at us The whole world has been laughing at us for 3 years due to political ineptitude on all sides. For the record, I don't believe Boris will be able to deliver Brexit either. It goes back to my statement yesterday in which I hoped Theresa May would be judged more kindly in the history books than she is judged today. I do believe that, because Brexit would have confounded the greatest prime ministers this country has ever seen.
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Post by trickydicky73 on May 25, 2019 11:06:00 GMT
Boris all day long for me, and he would win a general election against anybody. I don't like him though because he is in the same mould as Cameron and comes with enough baggage to fill a 747. But he does have two qualities none of the others have: charisma and name recognition. That's what will win an election and what the Tories desperately need now. It's often said the favourite rarely makes it to No.10. Witness Thatcher and Major. But this time it's different. Very, very different. It needs someone with a ruthless streak and someone who can get Brexit over the line. Charisma is massive, too and most of the other candidates lack it.
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Post by trickydicky73 on May 25, 2019 11:09:19 GMT
70,000 senile old right wing farts choosing the next PM to make the toughest choices since the war. That's British democracy folks. Perhaps JC should commit to an opinion on Brexit then? That should be the minimum requirement if he wants a GE. And by the way, there are a lot of young members of the Conservatives, I thought you were against making wholesale generalisations? Matt Frei even put "white" into the equation on LBC, just. When did being old and white become a sin? Maybe we should have a cull?
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Post by harryburrows on May 25, 2019 11:20:56 GMT
Whoever the next PM is three are some fundamental problems apart from Brexit to deal with . Mays famous slogan was " A country that works for everyone " well I'm afraid it's working for very few at the moment .
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Post by robstokie on May 25, 2019 11:35:00 GMT
Ideally, I would like it to be Steve Baker - he's one of the few hard-line brexiteers in parliament who won't kow-tow to the EU or to those wanting a watered down brexit. Would also like to see David Davis go for it, as a prominent Eurosceptic, a man with a proud military career and as a working class boy done good, this highly patriotic man is the opposite of Comrade Corbyn and is the man to drag brexit voters of all political creeds to the Tories.
Realistically though, it will either be Boris (who I think is bit of a plum, and I'm strongly right wing, I dread to think what the likes of essexstokie think of him) or it will be a remainer backed by the establishment such as Jeremy Hunt
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Post by bathstoke on May 25, 2019 12:25:13 GMT
This isnt about maths is it. When democracy hangs by such a small thread it’s in danger. That’s why Cameron was such a cnut to call it ⚖️ It does not answer my question though. If we were not in the EU ,do you think that there should be a mechanism to take us in or ,( and I'm not necessarily saying that i think that you are wrong) are you saying that we should just leave everything to MPs , who always know better. Or is it just those that you agree with that know better,?) If the Remainers had simply accepted the result ( democracy as you say, hanging by a thread) we could have been out by now. And I do think that it is about the maths, a little bit, in a voting situation. It doesn’t matter what I think & if only the Parliamentarians had accepted the Devine Right of Kings... Remember that they dug Cromwell’s body up & stuck his head on a spike. Watch out Pig £@#&er... 👁
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Post by trickydicky73 on May 25, 2019 12:32:50 GMT
Boris Ffs the whole world is laughing at us The whole world has been laughing at us for 3 years due to political ineptitude on all sides. For the record, I don't believe Boris will be able to deliver Brexit either. It goes back to my statement yesterday in which I hoped Theresa May would be judged more kindly in the history books than she is judged today. I do believe that, because Brexit would have confounded the greatest prime ministers this country has ever seen. She also shat on Baker, Davis and Raab. She turned down a free trade deal and backed Robbins to the exclusion of everyone else. She made a difficult task impossible.
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Post by thevoid on May 25, 2019 13:05:24 GMT
It does not answer my question though. If we were not in the EU ,do you think that there should be a mechanism to take us in or ,( and I'm not necessarily saying that i think that you are wrong) are you saying that we should just leave everything to MPs , who always know better. Or is it just those that you agree with that know better,?) If the Remainers had simply accepted the result ( democracy as you say, hanging by a thread) we could have been out by now. And I do think that it is about the maths, a little bit, in a voting situation. It doesn’t matter what I think & if only the Parliamentarians had accepted the Devine Right of Kings... Remember that they dug Cromwell’s body up & stuck his head on a spike. Watch out Pig £@#&er... 👁 Are you channelling cheesefreeex mate?
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Post by bathstoke on May 25, 2019 13:11:47 GMT
It doesn’t matter what I think & if only the Parliamentarians had accepted the Devine Right of Kings... Remember that they dug Cromwell’s body up & stuck his head on a spike. Watch out Pig £@#&er... 👁 Are you channelling cheesefreeex mate? I’m not sure what that means, but I don’t mind being compared to him. Not sure that he’d be too happy, mind...
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Post by shakermaker on May 25, 2019 14:24:05 GMT
Ideally, I would like it to be Steve Baker - he's one of the few hard-line brexiteers in parliament who won't kow-tow to the EU or to those wanting a watered down brexit. I too think Steve Baker would be perfect right now. I'm no fan of the Tories, but he has the understated charisma and intellectual rigour to bring that party together. He still hasn't thrown his hat in the ring yet though. I actually think he's a very dignified man and would be a credit to The Brexit Party if he decided to jump from the sinking ship!
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2019 15:18:59 GMT
I dinner give a fuck because I wunner be voting for any of them
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Post by Northy on May 25, 2019 15:39:04 GMT
70,000 senile old right wing farts choosing the next PM to make the toughest choices since the war. That's British democracy folks. Why do you call them senile, the average age is 57 ?
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Post by Northy on May 25, 2019 15:40:19 GMT
I agree but a genuine question - is the process similar if Labour had to elect a new leader? To be fair if a standing Prime Minister resigns, short of a new election how else could they choose a new leader? Whilst it seems weird I can see some sort of logic in this system of slowly narrowing the field down to 2. It gives a far better chance of the final winner getting a clear majority - how would it pan out if there were say 5 candidates and all got around 20% with one slightly higher - you can see the opposition saying "why should we listen to a prime minister who only gets 20% party support". At least narrowing it down to 2 to choose from makes it clear who wins - politicians are experts at making figures and numbers suit their arguments. I'm not saying its perfect but it seems to be a decent way of doing it. And before anyone says anything I've never voted tory in my life I've got no real problem with the candidate being chosen that way but they must go to the country at the very earliest opportunity. Every candidate who has been asked so far has said they will not do so, so we are in the hands of a bunch of reactionary blue rinse loons who drive to Dover at the weekends to shake their fists at the continent. More left wing clap trap, when you don't agree resort to slander.
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Post by claytonscrubs on May 25, 2019 16:21:17 GMT
The whole world has been laughing at us for 3 years due to political ineptitude on all sides. For the record, I don't believe Boris will be able to deliver Brexit either. It goes back to my statement yesterday in which I hoped Theresa May would be judged more kindly in the history books than she is judged today. I do believe that, because Brexit would have confounded the greatest prime ministers this country has ever seen. She also shat on Baker, Davis and Raab. She turned down a free trade deal and backed Robbins to the exclusion of everyone else. She made a difficult task impossible. Let’s face it, she was useless. She didn’t serve the country that she loved, as she claimed. She spent nearly three years undermining the biggest democratic vote in our country’s history. She served her own interests to stay in office. She humiliated this country and will go down as the worst PM in history imo... It’s time for a PM who believes in this country and wants to deliver Brexit. Sadly, due to parliamentary arithmetic, I can only see a GE within a year and my Brexit dream dying.
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Post by claytonscrubs on May 25, 2019 16:25:30 GMT
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Post by starkiller on May 25, 2019 17:17:05 GMT
Good fucking riddance to useless May. Should never have been given or kept in the job by this useless Tory party. The outcome was predictable.
The only people crying are her and the fucking EU.
In the meantime, to keep the seat warm for Farage, no Remoaner should be anywhere near the post or the negotiations. So we can actually have negotiations, not capitulation.
Baker preferred, followed by Mogg, Johnson - anyone else and this party is history.
Next GE, we can vote in a 100% Leave party that actually believes in the country and the opportunity of Leaving. Not one with a majority of snakes, double-dealers and anti-democratic remoaners.
The Con Party and Liebour can battle it out for second or third place.
And Brexit Party voters who shift back to Tory, because they have the memory of a goldfish, will allow Corbyn in.
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Post by thevoid on May 25, 2019 17:17:15 GMT
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Post by trickydicky73 on May 25, 2019 17:20:46 GMT
I like her. Her and Priti would be my dream ticket.
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Post by starkiller on May 25, 2019 17:45:14 GMT
NOT another woman. Don't care if that sounds sexist.
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