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Post by wearepremierleague on Jul 20, 2019 10:02:03 GMT
Good on the ball. Strong, tall. Couldn’t he be converted to a defensive midfielder at some point.
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Post by liathroid on Jul 20, 2019 10:06:06 GMT
Batth Lindsay Shawcross BMI Collins Even if BMI goes, how often is he going to get on the pitch? And if BMI stays, is he really going to be loaned out for the season to League One? Seems a terrible waste. Is he left or right footed? I'm assuming that Jones will start with Pennington as left centre back with Bruno as back up, and with Ryan and Batth the two options for right centre back. Pennington did not sign for us ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif)
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Post by kelw on Jul 20, 2019 10:07:03 GMT
Batth Lindsay Shawcross BMI Collins Even if BMI goes, how often is he going to get on the pitch? And if BMI stays, is he really going to be loaned out for the season to League One? Seems a terrible waste. Is he left or right footed? I'm assuming that Jones will start with Pennington as left centre back with Bruno as back up, and with Ryan and Batth the two options for right centre back. Have I missed something?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 20, 2019 10:12:00 GMT
Batth Lindsay Shawcross BMI Collins Even if BMI goes, how often is he going to get on the pitch? And if BMI stays, is he really going to be loaned out for the season to League One? Seems a terrible waste. Is he left or right footed? I'm assuming that Jones will start with Pennington as left centre back with Bruno as back up, and with Ryan and Batth the two options for right centre back. Right. I'm still not sure who's going to start. Have to assume Lindsay's been brought in to start on the left of the 2. But still can't really call Batth v Shawcross. BMI, if he stays, is just going to love that bench place behind Lindsay! There doesn't seem a queue forming though, although it'd be best for everyone if he left. As for Collins, it does seem better for him to get out on loan than being No.4 here. No.5 if BMI stays and it's a no-brainer. It'll be intereting to see what calibre of club he's loaned to if he does go.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Jul 20, 2019 10:17:43 GMT
Is he left or right footed? I'm assuming that Jones will start with Pennington as left centre back with Bruno as back up, and with Ryan and Batth the two options for right centre back. Right. I'm still not sure who's going to start. Have to assume Lindsay's been brought in to start on the left of the 2. But still can't really call Batth v Shawcross. BMI, if he stays, is just going to love that bench place behind Lindsay! There doesn't seem a queue forming though, although it'd be best for everyone if he left. As for Collins, it does seem better for him to get out on loan than being No.4 here. No.5 if BMI stays and it's a no-brainer. It'll be intereting to see what calibre of club he's loaned to if he does go. Sunderland? Big crowds and expectation.. if he is to go to league 1 it has to be in a pressurised situation.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 20, 2019 10:22:56 GMT
Bayern was bemoaning him playing at right back the other day, perfectly reasonable concern, however Collins was excellent at right back. Suspect he'd be excellent in midfield too. That's because he's a very good footballer in the making. Don't loan him out, play him. No I wasn’t. I actually it’s another reason why we don’t need Smith..... But do I want the centre half playing centre half and this attitude Stoke fans have of fuck it lets play x player there because.....yes. It does my head in.
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Post by stokeykez on Jul 20, 2019 10:27:25 GMT
That says to me, this year Shawcross will be fazed out and Collins will be fazed in. I think Collins has been told that, and is happy with it. Which is testament to his attitude. Add to that another reason why I don’t think we are ready to go up this year, say Collins plays after Christmas consistently then has all next season in the Championship before hitting the premier league. Completely agree with you, Ryan will not be able to cover 46 games plus better cup runs for us. Slight tweak tends to be 3-4 matches out and who better than a younger, fitter, hungrier model to alot in. Think BMI will go at the end of the window which will make Collins the natural choice. Think he knows he will get more time and development at stoke than utd.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 20, 2019 10:29:29 GMT
Shawcross is only 31 though.
And pretty sure he played more minutes last season than all but one of the last 6 or 7 seasons.
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Post by kelw on Jul 20, 2019 10:30:18 GMT
Is he left or right footed? I'm assuming that Jones will start with Pennington as left centre back with Bruno as back up, and with Ryan and Batth the two options for right centre back. Pennington did not sign for us ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) Can see him linking up well with Ajayi and Justin
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 20, 2019 12:12:46 GMT
I'm not sure people realise just how good this lad already is and is going to be. If we fail to handle this one properly it is going to cost us a hell of a lot of money. Fortunately for us he seems like a very nice, well rounded and well grounded lad. Don’t doubt his potential but if we start the season with him, he loses form and gets dropped is that going to do him any good? And how are the others going to react to getting overlooked for an 18 year old? We shouldn’t struggle to get him a loan to a top League 1 team where he can find his feet and come back ready to take a starting place. My worry if we keep him as 4th choice is that he won’t get the minutes to demonstrate what he can do. What if he starts the season and starts brilliantly? Why take the worst stance? Hes played twice in the 1st team and been our best player in both games. He'd be in my 1st 11 from the 1st day of the season. Make it his place to lose
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 20, 2019 12:13:46 GMT
Don’t doubt his potential but if we start the season with him, he loses form and gets dropped is that going to do him any good? And how are the others going to react to getting overlooked for an 18 year old? We shouldn’t struggle to get him a loan to a top League 1 team where he can find his feet and come back ready to take a starting place. My worry if we keep him as 4th choice is that he won’t get the minutes to demonstrate what he can do. What if he starts the season and starts brilliantly? Why take the worst stance? Hes played twice in the 1st team and been our best player in both games. He'd be in my 1st 11 from the 1st day of the season. Make it his place to lose I honestly think he could be a difference between being ok/poor to being a contender. The lad is mustard.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Jul 20, 2019 12:15:01 GMT
What if he starts the season and starts brilliantly? Why take the worst stance? Hes played twice in the 1st team and been our best player in both games. He'd be in my 1st 11 from the 1st day of the season. Make it his place to lose I honestly think he could be a difference between being ok/poor to being a contender. The lad is mustard. A bit like when shawcross arrived. The similarities between the 2 are remarkably uncanny
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 20, 2019 12:16:28 GMT
I honestly think he could be a difference between being ok/poor to being a contender. The lad is mustard. A bit like when shawcross arrived. The similarities between the 2 are remarkably uncanny It’s an absolute no brainer for me. But the manager seems so cautious. I think he’ll be out on loan come the start of the season. Which is just wrong.
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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 20, 2019 13:03:12 GMT
Is he left or right footed? I'm assuming that Jones will start with Pennington as left centre back with Bruno as back up, and with Ryan and Batth the two options for right centre back. Pennington did not sign for us ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif) The other one - I knew what I meant ![:D](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/kwfoKwtHI0jglJZ4qZf6.gif)
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Post by baystokie on Jul 20, 2019 16:29:33 GMT
A bit like when shawcross arrived. The similarities between the 2 are remarkably uncanny It’s an absolute no brainer for me. But the manager seems so cautious. I think he’ll be out on loan come the start of the season. Which is just wrong. I think he will be an integral part of the squad and will be needed frequently as form and injuries take their course. . Which is just right.
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Post by corkstokie on Jul 22, 2019 15:12:43 GMT
This has probably been discussed / answered but anyone know why Collins isn't with the Ireland U19's at the European tournament?
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Post by wammy on Jul 22, 2019 15:13:46 GMT
I think he asked to be left behind to try and challenge for a place with us during the preseason
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Post by corkstokie on Jul 22, 2019 15:22:11 GMT
I think he asked to be left behind to try and challenge for a place with us during the preseason Ok thanks - The lads have made the semi final and Nathan along with Adam Idah (Norwich) and Troy Parrott (Spurs) [seems same thing has happened to them] are big losses.
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Jul 22, 2019 15:30:45 GMT
Sunderland would be a good club for Nathan during the season.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jul 22, 2019 17:09:57 GMT
Bayern was bemoaning him playing at right back the other day, perfectly reasonable concern, however Collins was excellent at right back. Suspect he'd be excellent in midfield too. That's because he's a very good footballer in the making. Don't loan him out, play him. No I wasn’t. I actually it’s another reason why we don’t need Smith..... But do I want the centre half playing centre half and this attitude Stoke fans have of fuck it lets play x player there because.....yes. It does my head in. Hold on - one of the reasons we don't need Smith is because Collins can cover right back - but playing a centre half out of position does your head in? Actually a (I'm always right) Bayern v (I'm never wrong) Bayern message board thread will be quite entertaining. Knock yourselves out lads...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 22, 2019 17:18:28 GMT
No I wasn’t. I actually it’s another reason why we don’t need Smith..... But do I want the centre half playing centre half and this attitude Stoke fans have of fuck it lets play x player there because.....yes. It does my head in. Hold on - one of the reasons we don't need Smith is because Collins can cover right back - but playing a centre half out of position does your head in? Actually a (I'm always right) Bayern v (I'm never wrong) Bayern message board thread will be quite entertaining. Knock yourselves out lads... No. Play him at CB. If you need cover there, use him if the player we should have signed to cover both FB positions wasn’t fit either. Simple.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Jul 23, 2019 7:20:52 GMT
Hold on - one of the reasons we don't need Smith is because Collins can cover right back - but playing a centre half out of position does your head in? Actually a (I'm always right) Bayern v (I'm never wrong) Bayern message board thread will be quite entertaining. Knock yourselves out lads... No. Play him at CB. If you need cover there, use him if the player we should have signed to cover both FB positions wasn’t fit either. Simple. So you are saying that we need a fullback who can cover at right back and left back and not have 2 specialist left backs and 2 specialist right backs but at the same time can't put up with the idea of having players played out of position? I can only assume you are the only person capable of deciding which players can be played out of position and once that part of your head has made that decision the other half of your head agrees not to explode? Makes perfect sense now...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 23, 2019 8:31:38 GMT
No. Play him at CB. If you need cover there, use him if the player we should have signed to cover both FB positions wasn’t fit either. Simple. So you are saying that we need a fullback who can cover at right back and left back and not have 2 specialist left backs and 2 specialist right backs but at the same time can't put up with the idea of having players played out of position? I can only assume you are the only person capable of deciding which players can be played out of position and once that part of your head has made that decision the other half of your head agrees not to explode? Makes perfect sense now... Yes, that's what I've been saying all summer. 3 full backs is more than enough for a club like ours.
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Post by numberounominion on Jul 25, 2019 11:39:48 GMT
The club have to play or loan , Collins , verlinden , Edwards and Campbell
Either way , they MUST play and sink or swim
A season of youth football , or a season sitting on the bench , is no use to any of them
When Man utd had Beckham , Neville , Neville , scholes and Butt coming through all at the same time . They managed to sort out a game for them and they play at a higher level than us .
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Post by chiswickpotter on Jul 25, 2019 11:47:18 GMT
So you are saying that we need a fullback who can cover at right back and left back and not have 2 specialist left backs and 2 specialist right backs but at the same time can't put up with the idea of having players played out of position? I can only assume you are the only person capable of deciding which players can be played out of position and once that part of your head has made that decision the other half of your head agrees not to explode? Makes perfect sense now... Yes, that's what I've been saying all summer. 3 full backs is more than enough for a club like ours. Not playing a diamond it isn't. The full backs will be the hardest worked players in the side and excatly the positions we need fresh legs for. Midfield is where you can probably get away with 5 rather than 6 players for the 3 central slots.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 25, 2019 18:57:33 GMT
Yes, that's what I've been saying all summer. 3 full backs is more than enough for a club like ours. Not playing a diamond it isn't. The full backs will be the hardest worked players in the side and excatly the positions we need fresh legs for. Midfield is where you can probably get away with 5 rather than 6 players for the 3 central slots. We’ll see who the first right back to be pissed off with the situation is.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Jul 25, 2019 19:09:18 GMT
Like to see Jones show some bottle and play both Collins and Campbell.
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Post by shrewspotter on Jul 25, 2019 19:17:47 GMT
Like to see Jones show dome bottle and play both Collins and Campbell. 100% agree. Both have jumped the queue in my opinion. Collins is better than Ryan and Campbell has warranted a start. Be brave Nathan, every successful manager makes unpopular desicions with certain players. Collins, Campbell and Verlinden are our future
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Post by ChrisKamarasPerm on Jul 25, 2019 19:24:32 GMT
Nathan will be loaned out for at least part of this season. Several clubs watched him Wednesday and liked what they saw. Including Lincoln!
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Post by shrewspotter on Jul 25, 2019 19:25:49 GMT
Nathan will be loaned out for at least part of this season. Several clubs watched him Wednesday and liked what they saw. Including Lincoln! great. So he's staying put then that's good news
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