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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 23, 2019 8:52:57 GMT
I'm quite liking Sir Nige's new avatar... what are your plans for the economy once we leave the EU, Nigel. What do you think about privatisation in the Health Service? What do you think about hedge funds and city bonuses? How might you fill the gaps in key roles if immigration is curbed? Will you renew Trident? What are your plans for mental Health? What do you feel about our underperforming and exploitative privatised utilities? What's your stance on the gig economy and zero hours contracts? What will you do with Universal credit? What's that Nigel, 'Democracy, Democracy, Demoracy' Oh that explains it all. Thanks Nigel. Right Wing tosspot. He doesn't need to have an answer to those questions in the EU elections. As you know the Brexit party is designed to leave the EU and thereby honour democracy. Very important for socialism. Today Nigel as an individual simply has one vote like everyone else. If not personal but about the policies If ,and it's still a big if, the BREXIT party goes on to fight a general election, particularly if we have left the EU, then each of your questions and more would be valid. It would then be up to Corbyn to put something better, more attractive and hopefully realistic/ deliverable to the electorate and they will decide. When Farage " refused" to answer questions he was asked about gun law,Why?.....he quite rightly held the BBC to account as the agenda, it seems the only agenda alongside fear, is to get the man. I hope that the Brexit party at least goes on to challenge the existing cosy cartel at s General Election.
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Post by Eggybread on May 23, 2019 8:53:41 GMT
what are your plans for the economy once we leave the EU, Nigel. What do you think about privatisation in the Health Service? What do you think about hedge funds and city bonuses? How might you fill the gaps in key roles if immigration is curbed? Will you renew Trident? What are your plans for mental Health? What do you feel about our underperforming and exploitative privatised utilities? What's your stance on the gig economy and zero hours contracts? What will you do with Universal credit? What's that Nigel, 'Democracy, Democracy, Demoracy' Oh that explains it all. Thanks Nigel. Right Wing tosspot. He has one policy...... leave the EU. And that is all some people are bothered about, thinking it will solve all of their problems.Where in fact it will do the complete opposite. Im sure some on here will disagree with me.But they cannot argue with basic economics.O wait they can.
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Post by thevoid on May 23, 2019 8:56:50 GMT
I'm quite liking Sir Nige's new avatar... what are your plans for the economy once we leave the EU, Nigel. What do you think about privatisation in the Health Service? What do you think about hedge funds and city bonuses? How might you fill the gaps in key roles if immigration is curbed? Will you renew Trident? What are your plans for mental Health? What do you feel about our underperforming and exploitative privatised utilities? What's your stance on the gig economy and zero hours contracts? What will you do with Universal credit? What's that Nigel, 'Democracy, Democracy, Demoracy' Oh that explains it all. Thanks Nigel. Right Wing tosspot. Sorry, can you point me in the direction of any 'left wing tosspots' I can vote for that can guarantee commitment to Leaving? EDIT apart from the ones who've joined the Brexit Party, obviously.
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 23, 2019 9:04:32 GMT
what are your plans for the economy once we leave the EU, Nigel. What do you think about privatisation in the Health Service? What do you think about hedge funds and city bonuses? How might you fill the gaps in key roles if immigration is curbed? Will you renew Trident? What are your plans for mental Health? What do you feel about our underperforming and exploitative privatised utilities? What's your stance on the gig economy and zero hours contracts? What will you do with Universal credit? What's that Nigel, 'Democracy, Democracy, Demoracy' Oh that explains it all. Thanks Nigel. Right Wing tosspot. He doesn't need to have an answer to those questions in the EU elections. As you know the Brexit party is designed to leave the EU and thereby honour democracy. Very important for socialism. Today Nigel as an individual simply has one vote like everyone else. If not personal but about the policies If ,and it's still a big if, the BREXIT party goes on to fight a general election, particularly if we have left the EU, then each of your questions and more would be valid. It would then be up to Corbyn to put something better, more attractive and hopefully realistic/ deliverable to the electorate and they will decide. When Farage " refused" to answer questions he was asked about gun law,Why?.....he quite rightly held the BBC to account as the agenda, it seems the only agenda alongside fear, is to get the man. I hope that the Brexit party at least goes on to challenge the existing cosy cartel at s General Election. He's already stated that he is considering standing in a General Election, BJR so I think they are valid questions. They're also more than valid questions in terms of these elections. Brexit.....then what. What's you plan then, Nigel? Or is it all just Elysian Fields again?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 23, 2019 9:18:57 GMT
He doesn't need to have an answer to those questions in the EU elections. As you know the Brexit party is designed to leave the EU and thereby honour democracy. Very important for socialism. Today Nigel as an individual simply has one vote like everyone else. If not personal but about the policies If ,and it's still a big if, the BREXIT party goes on to fight a general election, particularly if we have left the EU, then each of your questions and more would be valid. It would then be up to Corbyn to put something better, more attractive and hopefully realistic/ deliverable to the electorate and they will decide. When Farage " refused" to answer questions he was asked about gun law,Why?.....he quite rightly held the BBC to account as the agenda, it seems the only agenda alongside fear, is to get the man. I hope that the Brexit party at least goes on to challenge the existing cosy cartel at s General Election. He's already stated that he is considering standing in a General Election, BJR so I think they are valid questions. They're also more than valid questions in terms of these elections. Brexit.....then what. What's you plan then, Nigel? Or is it all just Elysian Fields again? I hope the BREXIT party does stand in the GE, but for me that's a later issue. We've been over the " what next after BREXIT issue" many times. If the EU had " negotiated" in good faith and our Political class had not colluded we could have been cleanly out and planning our future. Trade will continue. We could possibly make decisions on our own interest ( ed steel). We could run our own affairs....and io could be a socialist government if that's what people want. You coy equally ask " what next?" if we stay in the EU...I considered that and that's why I voted leave. You can't predict ever aspect of the future. We didn't enter the second world war with a great vision post war....it just had to be done for reasons of democracy, sovereignty and identity. As it happened following the war we had the greatest Labour government in history.... that could not be envisaged five years earlier.... quite the opposite.
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 23, 2019 9:24:57 GMT
He's already stated that he is considering standing in a General Election, BJR so I think they are valid questions. They're also more than valid questions in terms of these elections. Brexit.....then what. What's you plan then, Nigel? Or is it all just Elysian Fields again? I hope the BREXIT party does stand in the GE, but for me that's a later issue. We've been over the " what next after BREXIT issue" many times. If the EU had " negotiated" in good faith and our Political class had not colluded we could have been cleanly out and planning our future. Trade will continue. We could possibly make decisions on our own interest ( ed steel). We could run our own affairs....and io could be a socialist government if that's what people want. You coy equally ask " what next?" if we stay in the EU...I considered that and that's why I voted leave. You can't predict ever aspect of the future. We didn't enter the second world war with a great vision post war....it just had to be done for reasons of democracy, sovereignty and identity. As it happened following the war we had the greatest Labour government in history.... that could not be envisaged five years earlier.... quite the opposite. Why do you think he refuses to talk about any other policies mate?
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Post by auntiegeorge on May 23, 2019 9:29:40 GMT
Fine comments bigjohn, especially about WWII. In extraordinary times you sometimes have to tackle one issue at a time and work with the consequences later. I agree that post war Labour government was one of remarkable ingenuity and vision.
To answer sheikh's question, once the EU elections are out of the way all registered supporters of the Brexit Party will be able to vote on future policy and shape the party's way forward. Nigel Farage is proposing a "Contract With The People" instead of a manifesto and you will be able to vote on what goes in that contract.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 23, 2019 9:34:15 GMT
I hope the BREXIT party does stand in the GE, but for me that's a later issue. We've been over the " what next after BREXIT issue" many times. If the EU had " negotiated" in good faith and our Political class had not colluded we could have been cleanly out and planning our future. Trade will continue. We could possibly make decisions on our own interest ( ed steel). We could run our own affairs....and io could be a socialist government if that's what people want. You coy equally ask " what next?" if we stay in the EU...I considered that and that's why I voted leave. You can't predict ever aspect of the future. We didn't enter the second world war with a great vision post war....it just had to be done for reasons of democracy, sovereignty and identity. As it happened following the war we had the greatest Labour government in history.... that could not be envisaged five years earlier.... quite the opposite. Why do you think he refuses to talk about any other policies mate? In my opinion I don't think that they are relevant to the main issue that he has given 20 years of his life to... independence, leaving the EU...It is actually his strength compared to other politicans, he is focused on what he wants and doesn't ( in my opinion) play politics, beat about the bush.....he does comment on / criticise EU policies ( eg fisheries, CAP, Bureacracy, democratic deficeit, Ever Closer Union) in and outside the EU parliament. He has no jurisdiction, influence on the issues that you want him to talk about. .... most are designed to undermine him as a person and therefore Brexit, they are not designed to clarify or explore the EU debate....and this is what this election and the Political debate has been about since the Referendum. Perhaps Corbyn needs to be scrutinized on the Fisheries policy or the EU industrial policy? If you are saying that you fear Farage's influence as ' an extreme right wing, racist"...My response would be 1 I don't think that he is at all...it's part of the agenda to discredit 2 That is not the point of the elections. 3 His other views on matters that could be construed right wing have no bearing on the matter in hand.... membership of the EU.... many on the do called " extreme" left support this. 4 To have influence on those issues the BREXIT party would have to gain seats in s GE... that's up to the electorate A question for you....why is there no discussion or interest shown by the UK electorate in other issues than Brexit in the ( any) EU elections? Normally when voting for representation a range of RELEVANT issues are discussed.... I've never seen this in ANY EU election( and that's not about Farage)
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 23, 2019 9:42:48 GMT
Why do you think he refuses to talk about any other policies mate? In my opinion I don't think that they are relevant to the main issue that he has given 20 years of his life to... independence, leaving the EU...It is actually his strength compared to other politicans, he is focused on what he wants and doesn't ( in my opinion) play politics, beat about the bush.....he does comment on / criticise EU policies ( eg fisheries, CAP, Bureacracy, democratic deficeit, Ever Closer Union) in and outside the EU parliament. He has no jurisdiction, influence on the issues that you want him to talk about. .... most are designed to undermine him as a person and therefore Brexit, they are not designed to clarify or explore the EU debate....and this is what this election and the Political debate has been about since the Referendum. A question for you....why is there no discussion or interest shown by the UK electorate in other issues than Brexit in the ( any) EU elections? Normally when voting for representation a range of RELEVANT issues are discussed.... I've never seen this in ANY EU election( and that's not about Farage) I disagree with you there mate, whole ranges of topics are usually discussed in EU elections. At a time when No Deal is running as favourite and we may exit on WTO rules and we might have a right wing idiot like Johnson at the helm or if there is an election, Farage involved, I want to know what the fuck their plan is. The prospect of a no deal and an extreme right wing Government frightens the frigging bejaysus out of me.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on May 23, 2019 9:54:24 GMT
In my opinion I don't think that they are relevant to the main issue that he has given 20 years of his life to... independence, leaving the EU...It is actually his strength compared to other politicans, he is focused on what he wants and doesn't ( in my opinion) play politics, beat about the bush.....he does comment on / criticise EU policies ( eg fisheries, CAP, Bureacracy, democratic deficeit, Ever Closer Union) in and outside the EU parliament. He has no jurisdiction, influence on the issues that you want him to talk about. .... most are designed to undermine him as a person and therefore Brexit, they are not designed to clarify or explore the EU debate....and this is what this election and the Political debate has been about since the Referendum. A question for you....why is there no discussion or interest shown by the UK electorate in other issues than Brexit in the ( any) EU elections? Normally when voting for representation a range of RELEVANT issues are discussed.... I've never seen this in ANY EU election( and that's not about Farage) I disagree with you there mate, whole ranges of topics are usually discussed in EU elections. At a time when No Deal is running as favourite and we may exit on WTO rules and we might have a right wing idiot like Johnson at the helm or if there is an election, Farage involved, I want to know what the fuck there plan is. The prospect of a no deal and an extreme right wing Government frightens the frigging bejaysus out of me. Sheikh, I honestly cannot recall ANY issue being scrutinised as has BREXIT...I don't know if you are talking about WTO rules as a different issue , for me it is the same issue. If that aspect of the future scares you, I can understand that, but it's up to the socialists to make and win a different case..Post BREXIT..and if Farage and Brexiteers are mad loons, nutters , racist, thick , inward looking, old...it should be fairly easy.... it's no good just saying that those who want to leave the EU are evil so socialism must prevail, some working class people voted to leave and patriotism actually matters to them as an issue in itself. Perhaps Corbyn needs to be scrutinized on the Fisheries policy or the EU industrial policy?...I don't recall such like taking place. Have a good voting day!
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Post by henry on May 23, 2019 9:58:18 GMT
My mum - life long Labour voter, has voted for Brexit Party. I was at her house the other day and don’t remember seeing any nazi memorabilia on the walls.
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Post by crapslinger on May 23, 2019 11:03:35 GMT
My whole family have voted for the Brexit Party five were staunch labour voters including myself, time for change to right it is.
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Post by wagsastokie on May 23, 2019 11:14:13 GMT
My mum - life long Labour voter, has voted for Brexit Party. I was at her house the other day and don’t remember seeing any nazi memorabilia on the walls. There probably been hidden under the stairs with the robertsons golliwog collection and the signed photograph of lee Harvey Oswald
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Post by mrcoke on May 23, 2019 12:10:08 GMT
Yep, majority for Brexit. No majority for no deal (or any other course of action). That's always the problem with proportional voting. There is never a majority for anything, so you end up with a compromise/coalition (normally) that nobody voted for. Not many people want to leave the EU with no deal, it would be very damaging, at least in the short term. The problem is the EU bureaucrats do not do compromise, don't want to see their glorious one European state project damaged, and actually believe they have got us over a barrel. The only language the EU will understand is a real threat of leaving with no deal, then you will see that German industry (and other economic interests in main land Europe), who have been very supportive of the EU to date, stepping in and putting huge pressure on their politicians to stop being so crass and get a sensible deal done with the UK. But we have to take them to the brink, or they will just stone wall us and expect our country and government to cave in. I would also remind us that we do not actually have deal on trade yet with the EU. Just an agreement to stay as we are for 2 years till a deal is made, and that the deal will include no hard border with Irelend. If we fail to agree a trade deal we are still stuck with the EU in charge of our trade. To get a deal each EU country will demand terms that favour them. For example, we had give up our fishing rights to enter the EU, we will almost certainly have to give them up again to leave the EU with a deal. I expect there will be an endless string of demands from the EU to come, including a demand for a financial contribution to the EU for the administration of our arrangements with the EU, which the likes of the USA, Canada, Japan, Russia, etc., etc. do not pay. You may think I am alarmist but I worked with Europeans for many years, have had French and Dutch bosses for many years, and sat on and Chaired a European committee. I know how their minds work; they think the UK is a soft touch. May and Cameron have done everything to confirm that view by rolling over for 3 years.
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Post by zerps on May 23, 2019 12:17:49 GMT
Nothing will change they just want you to think you’ve got a say in it 👍
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2019 12:25:48 GMT
Sickening amount of Lib Dem posters up in Richmond as I drove through last night - but then, It is Richmond...
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Post by henry on May 23, 2019 12:35:39 GMT
My mum - life long Labour voter, has voted for Brexit Party. I was at her house the other day and don’t remember seeing any nazi memorabilia on the walls. There probably been hidden under the stairs with the robertsons golliwog collection and the signed photograph of lee Harvey Oswald Dangerous breed these septuagenarians
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Post by maxplonk on May 23, 2019 12:44:41 GMT
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on May 23, 2019 12:49:46 GMT
Yep, majority for Brexit. No majority for no deal (or any other course of action). That's always the problem with proportional voting. There is never a majority for anything, so you end up with a compromise/coalition (normally) that nobody voted for. Not many people want to leave the EU with no deal, it would be very damaging, at least in the short term. The problem is the EU bureaucrats do not do compromise, don't want to see their glorious one European state project damaged, and actually believe they have got us over a barrel. The only language the EU will understand is a real threat of leaving with no deal, then you will see that German industry (and other economic interests in main land Europe), who have been very supportive of the EU to date, stepping in and putting huge pressure on their politicians to stop being so crass and get a sensible deal done with the UK. But we have to take them to the brink, or they will just stone wall us and expect our country and government to cave in. I would also remind us that we do not actually have deal on trade yet with the EU. Just an agreement to stay as we are for 2 years till a deal is made, and that the deal will include no hard border with Irelend. If we fail to agree a trade deal we are still stuck with the EU in charge of our trade. To get a deal each EU country will demand terms that favour them. For example, we had give up our fishing rights to enter the EU, we will almost certainly have to give them up again to leave the EU with a deal. I expect there will be an endless string of demands from the EU to come, including a demand for a financial contribution to the EU for the administration of our arrangements with the EU, which the likes of the USA, Canada, Japan, Russia, etc., etc. do not pay. You may think I am alarmist but I worked with Europeans for many years, have had French and Dutch bosses for many years, and sat on and Chaired a European committee. I know how their minds work; they think the UK is a soft touch. May and Cameron have done everything to confirm that view by rolling over for 3 years. Isn't the primary policy of the Brexit Party to leave on WTO/no deal terms?
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 23, 2019 12:55:01 GMT
Sickening amount of Lib Dem posters up in Richmond as I drove through last night - but then, It is Richmond... I do think ardent Brexiteers have shot themselves in the foot with their hatred of everyone who doesn't agree with them. Referenda don't change peoples minds. It's perfectly legitimate to want to stay in the EU and campaign to do so if that's what you believe in just as Farage and others would have continued to campaign to come out if it had gone the other way.
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Post by thevoid on May 23, 2019 12:56:59 GMT
Sickening amount of Lib Dem posters up in Richmond as I drove through last night - but then, It is Richmond... I do think ardent Brexiteers have shot themselves in the foot with their hatred of everyone who doesn't agree with them. Referenda don't change peoples minds. It's perfectly legitimate to want to stay in the EU and campaign to do so if that's what you believe in just as Farage and others would have continued to campaign to come out if it had gone the other way. I don't see Brexiteers lobbing projectiles at politicians.
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 23, 2019 13:00:01 GMT
I do think ardent Brexiteers have shot themselves in the foot with their hatred of everyone who doesn't agree with them. Referenda don't change peoples minds. It's perfectly legitimate to want to stay in the EU and campaign to do so if that's what you believe in just as Farage and others would have continued to campaign to come out if it had gone the other way. I don't see Brexiteers lobbing projectiles at politicians. I've seen plenty of unsavoury Brexiteers with extremely dubious backgrounds harassing politicians in London. EVERY SINGLE DAY.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on May 23, 2019 13:01:31 GMT
I do think ardent Brexiteers have shot themselves in the foot with their hatred of everyone who doesn't agree with them. Referenda don't change peoples minds. It's perfectly legitimate to want to stay in the EU and campaign to do so if that's what you believe in just as Farage and others would have continued to campaign to come out if it had gone the other way. I don't see Brexiteers lobbing projectiles at politicians. Corbyn was literally egged by a Brexit supporter last month?
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Post by henry on May 23, 2019 13:03:02 GMT
Sickening amount of Lib Dem posters up in Richmond as I drove through last night - but then, It is Richmond... Their Sausage’s are wank aswell
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Post by wagsastokie on May 23, 2019 13:05:39 GMT
Don’t worry I will max as will my family and most of the people I know The long march to freedom begins As for your article maybe the quoted labour mep should stop moaning and investigate why all the cases in the article seem to involve labour run councils
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on May 23, 2019 13:11:55 GMT
I'm quite liking Sir Nige's new avatar... what are your plans for the economy once we leave the EU, Nigel. What do you think about privatisation in the Health Service? What do you think about hedge funds and city bonuses? How might you fill the gaps in key roles if immigration is curbed? Will you renew Trident? What are your plans for mental Health? What do you feel about our underperforming and exploitative privatised utilities? What's your stance on the gig economy and zero hours contracts? What will you do with Universal credit? What's that Nigel, 'Democracy, Democracy, Demoracy' Oh that explains it all. Thanks Nigel. Right Wing tosspot. Why are asking the Leader of a European political party questions about UK domestic policies? Calm down dear. Sir Nige has promised domestic details after he smashes the EU elections. All ready for the brilliant Mike Greene in Peterborough on June 6th. Is your criminal candidate standing again?
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Post by thevoid on May 23, 2019 13:15:14 GMT
I don't see Brexiteers lobbing projectiles at politicians. I've seen plenty of unsavoury Brexiteers with extremely dubious backgrounds harassing politicians in London. EVERY SINGLE DAY. Did they throw anything?
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Post by thevoid on May 23, 2019 13:16:40 GMT
I don't see Brexiteers lobbing projectiles at politicians. Corbyn was literally egged by a Brexit supporter last month? One incident. Anyway, it was just a joke wasn't it?
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Post by mrcoke on May 23, 2019 13:16:57 GMT
Sickening amount of Lib Dem posters up in Richmond as I drove through last night - but then, It is Richmond... Apologies for being pedantic, but which Richmond?
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2019 13:50:38 GMT
Sickening amount of Lib Dem posters up in Richmond as I drove through last night - but then, It is Richmond... I do think ardent Brexiteers have shot themselves in the foot with their hatred of everyone who doesn't agree with them. Referenda don't change peoples minds. It's perfectly legitimate to want to stay in the EU and campaign to do so if that's what you believe in just as Farage and others would have continued to campaign to come out if it had gone the other way. I worked for the Lib Dems [And Remain In the Northwest] and Voted Remain.*
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