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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2019 13:26:40 GMT
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Post by sportsman on May 10, 2019 13:31:56 GMT
They will change it to:
No two English teams can compete in the same final
Only 10 fans are allowed in the main stand of an English ground eg kop.
English teams can only field 8 players where as the opposition the usuall 11
English teams have to spin around the ball 10 times before taking a penalty
We're leaving the EU, and we're taking the European trophies with us
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Post by andystokey on May 10, 2019 13:43:55 GMT
So basically making it impossible to join the already established elite and a whole new gravy train for the top clubs regardless of results.
Very fair (not!)
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Post by spiderpuss on May 10, 2019 13:54:01 GMT
Sounds fine, as the Shit and the Arse aren't regularly involved anymore, then they can't enter. Ha.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2019 13:56:47 GMT
The first step to a super league...twats the lot of them
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Post by MilanStokie on May 10, 2019 14:00:39 GMT
It all hinges on the selection process really.
There is a lot of effort to get AC Milan back in there as they have been, by and large, shit for a long time now.
If the 24 teams are chosen on merit over a prolonged period of ranking the best teams in Europe, then fair enough.
If its the opinion of the top dogs regarding which clubs are "suitable" to be in the 24, then it will do way more harm for the sport than good.
It will be interesting to know what the 3 competitions would be called.
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2019 14:02:12 GMT
It all hinges on the selection process really. There is a lot of effort to get AC Milan back in there as they have been, by and large, shit for a long time now. If the 24 teams are chosen on merit over a prolonged period of ranking the best teams in Europe, then fair enough. If its the opinion of the top dogs regarding which clubs are "suitable" to be in the 24, then it will do way more harm for the sport than good. It will be interesting to know what the 3 competitions would be called. This is one step to the death of the domestic league and creating a European super league. The Champions league is a cup competition for then "Champions" of the domestic leagues and remain so. |
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Post by MilanStokie on May 10, 2019 14:03:51 GMT
It all hinges on the selection process really. There is a lot of effort to get AC Milan back in there as they have been, by and large, shit for a long time now. If the 24 teams are chosen on merit over a prolonged period of ranking the best teams in Europe, then fair enough. If its the opinion of the top dogs regarding which clubs are "suitable" to be in the 24, then it will do way more harm for the sport than good. It will be interesting to know what the 3 competitions would be called. This is one step to the death of the domestic league and creating a European super league. The Champions league is a cup competition and remain so. I fully agree. I didn't mean my response to sound like I am in agreement with it, I just think it is inevitable that football is heading in this direction. Ensuring that the selection policy is fair is the only thing that would concern me. If there is long term split of a super league from domestic leagues, football as a sport will suffer immensely IMO. |
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Post by Deleted on May 10, 2019 14:20:22 GMT
This is one step to the death of the domestic league and creating a European super league. The Champions league is a cup competition and remain so. I fully agree. I didn't mean my response to sound like I am in agreement with it, I just think it is inevitable that football is heading in this direction. Ensuring that the selection policy is fair is the only thing that would concern me. If there is long term split of a super league from domestic leagues, football as a sport will suffer immensely IMO. Nothing is inevitable. Fans across Europe need to stand together on this issue. People generally don't seem to stand together anymore on many political and social issues but I have a feeling that if football is threatened we might see some action taken in response to these absurd proposals! Football fans unite! |
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Post by wembley4372 on May 10, 2019 14:39:52 GMT
Just create a league and fuck em off
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Post by Davef on May 10, 2019 14:40:09 GMT
 UEFA officials emerge from latest meeting. |
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Post by spitthedog on May 10, 2019 16:21:27 GMT
This is shit.
It makes it a closed shop, but let's face the truth. It has virtually been made into a closed shop already.
This is just to seal the door completely and comprehensively.
If Ajax would have beat Tottenham it would have been a miracle.
Ajax TV money £10m per year
Tottenham TV money £300m per year
Where is the even playing field?
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Post by rawli on May 10, 2019 16:30:36 GMT
This is shit. It makes it a closed shop, but let's face the truth. It has virtually been made into a closed shop already. This is just to seal the door completely and comprehensively. If Ajax would have beat Tottenham it would have been a miracle. Ajax TV money £10m per year Tottenham TV money £300m per year Where is the even playing field? There's an irony in a supporter of a team that's been in the premier league for 10 years complaining about an even financial playing field. |
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Post by thevoid on May 10, 2019 16:39:48 GMT
They will change it to: No two English teams can compete in the same final Only 10 fans are allowed in the main stand of an English ground eg kop. English teams can only field 8 players where as the opposition the usuall 11 English teams have to spin around the ball 10 times before taking a penalty We're leaving the EU, and we're taking the European trophies with us Are you Woodbine Wrightwat? 😂 |
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Post by tony1234 on May 10, 2019 16:55:19 GMT
Any chance of a challenge from (anti) competition law?
In EU rules as below on cartels seem appropriate. (UK law mirrors this and will continue to do so post Brexit, whatever the outcome....)
"European Union (EU) competition law protects consumer welfare by encouraging businesses to produce what the consumer wants, develop innovative products and services, and reduce prices...."
"In doing so, small and medium-sized businesses should get a fair chance to compete against larger businesses."
The competition law deals specifically with anti-competitive behaviour such as:
- Monopolies - EU anti-trust laws prevent a single business taking advantage of being the only, or strongest, business providing a service.
- Mergers – under mergers law in Europe businesses it must not reduce competition in that market sector when they merge.
- Cartels - EU cartels legislation prevent agreements between businesses in the same industry to be uncompetitive. For example, by agreeing to jointly raise prices.
- State aid - state aid and regional aid are allowed only under certain circumstances.
....lets look at cartels....
"EU cartels legislation prevent agreements between businesses in the same industry to be uncompetitive. For example, by agreeing to jointly raise prices."
"Cartels are agreements between two or more businesses that lead to the unfair treatment of consumers. You must not agree with another business to:
- fix purchase or selling prices
- limit or control production, markets, technical development, innovation or investment
- share markets or sources of supply
- treat other businesses unequally to put them at a disadvantage
- refuse to deal with other businesses for unfair reasons
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Post by spitthedog on May 10, 2019 17:48:55 GMT
This is shit. It makes it a closed shop, but let's face the truth. It has virtually been made into a closed shop already. This is just to seal the door completely and comprehensively. If Ajax would have beat Tottenham it would have been a miracle. Ajax TV money £10m per year Tottenham TV money £300m per year Where is the even playing field? There's an irony in a supporter of a team that's been in the premier league for 10 years complaining about an even financial playing field. That maybe true, but I don't see how its got anything to do with who you support. Its to do with the game and the way its managed. It is possible to be a Man City fan and not agree with the way football is structured. Making football less competitive is not good for the game and the wider support network. We each have our own moral compass. I would always want Stoke to earn promotion. to me relegation is part of football, and I don't like or dislike football any more or any less because of it. I would hate it if Stoke was one of several teams who could not get relegated from the Prem. The Championship is favoured towards those that are given parachute payments no doubt but it has also demonstrated that it is still very competitive, unpredictable and no-one is guaranteed promotion. Look at Sheffield United. Football needs achievements like these whether we like these teams or not is irrelevant to me. |
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Post by middleoftheboothen on May 10, 2019 22:02:00 GMT
There's an irony in a supporter of a team that's been in the premier league for 10 years complaining about an even financial playing field. That maybe true, but I don't see how its got anything to do with who you support. Its to do with the game and the way its managed. It is possible to be a Man City fan and not agree with the way football is structured. Making football less competitive is not good for the game and the wider support network. We each have our own moral compass. I would always want Stoke to earn promotion. to me relegation is part of football, and I don't like or dislike football any more or any less because of it. I would hate it if Stoke was one of several teams who could not get relegated from the Prem. The Championship is favoured towards those that are given parachute payments no doubt but it has also demonstrated that it is still very competitive, unpredictable and no-one is guaranteed promotion. Look at Sheffield United. Football needs achievements like these whether we like these teams or not is irrelevant to me. Agree with all of that. it's the dream of all so called smaller clubs to get into the Premier league and if you take that away football is fucked. |
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on May 11, 2019 19:49:57 GMT
I fully agree. I didn't mean my response to sound like I am in agreement with it, I just think it is inevitable that football is heading in this direction. Ensuring that the selection policy is fair is the only thing that would concern me. If there is long term split of a super league from domestic leagues, football as a sport will suffer immensely IMO. Nothing is inevitable. Fans across Europe need to stand together on this issue. People generally don't seem to stand together anymore on many political and social issues but I have a feeling that if football is threatened we might see some action taken in response to these absurd proposals! Football fans unite! You can rest assured that the Football Supporters Association ( as we now are) will launch a national campaign to oppose this which would be disastrous for our game |
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 11, 2019 20:58:36 GMT
In the week high end top level football suddenly reconnected with everyone. This.
The people who run the game are just beyond contempt.
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Post by stokieinaus on May 11, 2019 22:35:46 GMT
For the love of the game or for the love of the money?
How they see it is that you have Man City and Barca, two clubs with the best players and lots of money, and neither are in the final.
This will cost both clubs, something UEFA can’t afford to happen, so they need to find away of generating more money for such clubs.
What they are proposing will do just that, however, if fans don’t follow the change then this can all come crashing down.
Football is a game where the underdog can win, take that away and the game starts to lose its appeal.
This week has been a win for football, two sides (underdogs) managing to do the impossible and fans of the game realising that there is hope for everyone.
Having the richest teams play each other week in and week out will become boring and predictable, if UEFA cant see that then to them it’s only about money, good luck, will see you when the money runs out.
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Post by cousindupree on May 12, 2019 10:31:46 GMT
In the week high end top level football suddenly reconnected with everyone. This. The people who run the game are just beyond contempt. I think the dumb asses at UEFA looked at the excitement around the Manure v PSG, Lpool v barca ManC v Spurs etc etc (there have been some great games) and thought hey this is exactly what we want more of. And of course a closed shop approach is unlikely to reproduce that level of intensity of this season's Champ League. But hey for some reason we have to look after the top European clubs and ensure they get stronger while the rest keep falling behind. |
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