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Post by Staffsoatcake on Apr 9, 2019 21:39:47 GMT
1 Clucas is never a number 10, I would like Nige to ask Nath what possessed him to pick him there Out of all the Google plex of numbers,there still wouldn't be a number in there I would give to Clucas. |
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Post by cousindupree on Apr 9, 2019 21:42:09 GMT
Jones still very much in a honeymoon period. But he genuinely seems to be seeing things in Clucas that nobody else is. I listened to another interview pre-match when it was all "top player" and "top guy", "top this" and "top that". Still waiting for anything to justify it, and the selection in that role today was a head-scratcher to put it mildly And Afobe on the wing was just batshit, bananas, crazy. He's offering so little in any position that I'm close to writing him off for next season. To be fair, so is Vokes but there's possible mitigation with fitness so best to hold fire there. Still very much in his camp, but concerned that he's throwing away what is essentially half a season with no pressure and going needlessly conservative in his selections. I'll give him 2 for blooding Collins. It was indeed a conservative selection especially compared to the previous game, And if he learnt anything from Blackburn it should have been if you devoid the team of creativity you are going to hand the initiative to the opposition which is what happened at Blackburn. His selection today did that from the off. The season is over it's a meaningless game why not try and emulate the first half at Blackburn and see if Bojan and /or Verlinden can put the opposition under pressure? |
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Post by jeycov on Apr 9, 2019 21:44:37 GMT
It looked like a performance from a lost dressing room to me There's no way you can say that after the last few weeks, and the way they battled with 9. They're very much on board. Sadly a lot of them are shit No one good enough to cope with James from Swansea |
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Post by madnellie on Apr 9, 2019 21:48:49 GMT
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I gave NJ a point for bringing on Collins but that just cancelled out the point he lost for thinking Clucas is any good at anything.
Hopefully a blip.
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Post by jontimmis on Apr 9, 2019 21:51:11 GMT
He tried to be compact and preserve his zero I’m sure of it. Negative and poor tactically. It’s been said loads, Sam Clucas is NOT a 10... that speaks volumes
Very poor tried to be too clever and we got taught a lesson and so did Jones
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Post by Gary Hackett on Apr 9, 2019 21:58:28 GMT
It looked like a performance from a lost dressing room to me There's no way you can say that after the last few weeks, and the way they battled with 9. They're very much on board. Sadly a lot of them are shit I'm not having that, they've played well last few games. The tactics today were the issue. |
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Post by jontimmis on Apr 9, 2019 21:59:38 GMT
There's no way you can say that after the last few weeks, and the way they battled with 9. They're very much on board. Sadly a lot of them are shit I'm not having that, they've played well last few games. The tactics today was the issue. Agree. Got out thought not necessarily out fought |
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Post by camstoke10 on Apr 9, 2019 22:08:25 GMT
6 from me, as bad as it was that team was capable of winning the match, and with shawcross and Ince out aswell as bojan not playing much football 4 games in 2 weeks is too soon for him and he will play vs Rotherham,he didn’t really have much of a choice with the team and I can’t even explain that clucas performance
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Post by thevoid on Apr 9, 2019 22:22:32 GMT
Zero.
That was up there with Brian Little season levels of utter horse-wank.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 9, 2019 22:52:12 GMT
Jones still very much in a honeymoon period. But he genuinely seems to be seeing things in Clucas that nobody else is. I listened to another interview pre-match when it was all "top player" and "top guy", "top this" and "top that". Still waiting for anything to justify it, and the selection in that role today was a head-scratcher to put it mildly And Afobe on the wing was just batshit, bananas, crazy. He's offering so little in any position that I'm close to writing him off for next season. To be fair, so is Vokes but there's possible mitigation with fitness so best to hold fire there. Still very much in his camp, but concerned that he's throwing away what is essentially half a season with no pressure and going needlessly conservative in his selections. I'll give him 2 for blooding Collins. I must admit the whole Clucas thing is a bit worrying. |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 9, 2019 22:56:11 GMT
I'm not having that, they've played well last few games. The tactics today was the issue. Agree. Got out thought not necessarily out fought He got out thought by himself, Afobe on the wing and Clucas as the number 10, what was he thinking. |
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Post by camstoke10 on Apr 9, 2019 23:00:12 GMT
Agree. Got out thought not necessarily out fought He got out thought by himself, Afobe on the wing and Clucas as the number 10, what was he thinking. bojan wasn’t fully fit, clucas is shit but who else does he play? Adam won’t be here next season so no point playing him, and afobe was the right choice on the wing, Verlinden was carrying a knock from his debut so he won’t be 100% I expect a couple of yiungester be in vs Rotherham and hopefully no Ashley Williams |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Apr 10, 2019 0:52:44 GMT
He got out thought by himself, Afobe on the wing and Clucas as the number 10, what was he thinking. bojan wasn’t fully fit, clucas is shit but who else does he play? Adam won’t be here next season so no point playing him, and afobe was the right choice on the wing, Verlinden was carrying a knock from his debut so he won’t be 100% I expect a couple of yiungester be in vs Rotherham and hopefully no Ashley Williams I've got no problem with Bojan not playing it would have been better with Allen as the 10 and Clucas further back, at least Allen would press a bit, the game just passed Clucas by. I don't want Adam ever playing for stoke, he plays a few good balls now and then but he's a disgraces of a professional and a poor role model for the kids to look up to imo. There was no need to play with wingers, his preferred system doesn't use it, Afobe on the wing is like having no one there it just isn't his game, it just all seemed a little off to me. |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Apr 10, 2019 2:01:13 GMT
I have no idea why he thought playing Clucas as a number 10 with Afobe as a winger was a good idea, especially when your other winger is McLean.
The tactics today stunk the place out and he's going to lose a lot of fans if he tries something like that again.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 5:25:45 GMT
0. Absolutely awful performance/team selection.
Some of the comments I’ve read on social media about him being out his depth etc are just ridiculous. He is still picking a team in which he inherited. Admittedly some bad choices tonight.
Last night again just showed what a huge summer we have ahead of us
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 7:52:45 GMT
1 For putting a team sheet in. That was as bad a day at the office a manager can have. His starting xi wreaked of negativity and parking the bus. It handed the initiative to Swansea from the kick off. I never ever want to see Clucas as a no 10 ( we know you love him Nath but he will never be a no 10). Nor do I want to see Afobe playing out right ever again. Jones's game management was as if he was asleep. It was predictable that James v Edwards would be a major tactic for them and Jones did nothing to stop Edwards getting rinsed. His 2nd yellow was absolutely inevitable. This performance doesn't make him a bad manager but it's a reminder that he has a lot to learn and needs to do it quickly I agree re Edwards. Pre match you tell him to stay close to James at all times, not to stand close to Batth. During match you instruct him to re-arrange to get closer to James. After booking you tell a young player what to do to avoid another booking. At all times you instruct Afobe to come back and help Edwards, and when Afobe refuses to do that, you pull him off and tell him he will never play for Stoke again. But Jones did nothing. |
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Post by jarvinski on Apr 10, 2019 8:06:14 GMT
0....sick of all the excuses, just tell the truth Jones, that this bunch of misfits are bloody useless
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Post by berahinosgoals on Apr 10, 2019 8:32:18 GMT
It looked like a performance from a lost dressing room to me Looked to me like a performance with an immobile solitary striker, a striker who is 100% a striker 'only' out wide, a utility player at #10 and a CB at LB. Jones fucked up last night for me. I was about to post just as their second went in that we will be lucky to get to HT 1 behind |
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 10, 2019 8:36:59 GMT
There's no way you can say that after the last few weeks, and the way they battled with 9. They're very much on board. Sadly a lot of them are shit I'm not having that, they've played well last few games. The tactics today were the issue. Tactics were a big part, Gary. But I don't think it was a performance which remotely indicated he'd lost the dressing room which was the point I was responding to. When 3/4 of your attacking quartet are Clucas, McClean and Afobe (on the wing) - supporting a painfully unfit target man, it's not really clear what you're expecting to happen. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 10, 2019 11:04:54 GMT
I'm not having that, they've played well last few games. The tactics today were the issue. Tactics were a big part, Gary. But I don't think it was a performance which remotely indicated he'd lost the dressing room which was the point I was responding to. In a manner of speaking I'd say the dressing room probably lost itself. Characteristic of our players they'd come to believe their own hype, again, like they did in pre season. They thought their unbeaten run showed they were at the top of their game, when in truth they are still at the bottom of things. They thought they'd grind out another zero just by turning up. Well obviously I don't know what they thought or if they thought at all. But they weren't helped by their manager, who may or may not have thought the exact same thing, that is, nothing at all. The only thing he might have told in his pre match was 'just carry on, lads'. Problem was he never told them who was supposed to run the game, create openings and chances, now that you know who was out of the team. He might have looked to Etebo, but Etebo was back to the player he was before he connected so well with Bojan, looking for some inspiration that Jones had chosen to leave out. Second problem appears to be that his pre match talk did not involve any run down of what to expect from Swansea. Edwards appeared wholly unaware that he was going to be up against a magnificently skillful pacy wide man, and he never really recovered. Batth and Williams never looked comfortable when McBurnie did his runs and what to do when the opposition plays a small man as their number 9. As I said in another thread I don't think Bojan would have made much difference, had he played. In fact I probably agree with Lawrence who agrees with Jones that asking Bojan to start a fourth game in succession might have been asking too much of a still not fully fit skinny guy, if that was the reason. If instead it was a slight on Bojan with Jones thinking we could do better without him in the team then that was a very poor decision. But what do you do instead if you leave out your playmaker? You don't do what Jones did. You bring on your other creative players, from the squad Adam for Bojan, and Verlinden for Ince. But apparently Jones refuses to do what you're supposed to do and wants to be seen as a manager who thinks out of the box. So for Ince and Bojan, he brings Vokes and Clucas. Jones is a very lucky man. If we had lost 7-1, and we deserved to, all his momentum blah blah would have been gone and how would he have been able to pick up players with such low self esteem? |
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Post by Gary Hackett on Apr 10, 2019 20:05:49 GMT
I'm not having that, they've played well last few games. The tactics today were the issue. Tactics were a big part, Gary. But I don't think it was a performance which remotely indicated he'd lost the dressing room which was the point I was responding to. When 3/4 of your attacking quartet are Clucas, McClean and Afobe (on the wing) - supporting a painfully unfit target man, it's not really clear what you're expecting to happen. Precisely the point I was trying to make. I don't buy all this 'the players are shit' business which you originally posted. They have been good enough for the last few weeks until the ridiculous tactics employed last night. It was straight out of the Rowett book of shit tactics and he'd have got endless grief for it. |
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