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Post by ladyinred on Apr 5, 2019 9:54:31 GMT
Joe hart for me with Man City paying his wages I thought Burnley bought him in the summer?
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Post by Absolution on Apr 5, 2019 10:23:09 GMT
Joe hart for me with Man City paying his wages I thought Burnley bought him in the summer? They did. It's still a cunning plan though.
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Post by thehoof on Apr 5, 2019 10:53:31 GMT
There is no way we can expect Butland to stay- he wants to be part of the England set up, and Southgate will say I’ve stuck by you (squad wise) for 12 months, but you need to be in the Premiership. People talk up Heaton- well Burnley will escape relegation by the skin of their teeth, the current England number 1 is an accident waiting to happen so even playing at Bournemouth or Palace would give Butland an excellent chance to reclaim his number 1 spot with the national side. The only thing that remains to be seen is what sort of deflated price and no sell on clause our CEO manages to negotiate. I wouldn’t say no to Begovic and £12m (if Begovic would return).
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Post by berahinosgoals on Apr 5, 2019 12:12:47 GMT
My bet is butland out, F Forster in
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Post by liathroid on Apr 5, 2019 13:43:18 GMT
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Post by liathroid on Apr 5, 2019 13:44:07 GMT
Joe hart for me with Man City paying his wages hopefully not
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Post by callas12 on Apr 5, 2019 14:15:37 GMT
My bet is butland out, F Forster in I was thinking this too a while back but thinking Forsters days as a top keeper are gone
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Post by mrcoke on Apr 5, 2019 15:37:57 GMT
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Post by mrcoke on Apr 5, 2019 15:40:14 GMT
My bet is butland out, F Forster in I was thinking this too a while back but thinking Forsters days as a top keeper are gone Is my memory playing tricks on me, but these days it seems GKs often lose form and slip out of the first team? Years ago GKs seemed to permanent fixtures in all the teams.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Apr 5, 2019 16:24:00 GMT
I was thinking this too a while back but thinking Forsters days as a top keeper are gone Is my memory playing tricks on me, but these days it seems GKs often lose form and slip out of the first team? Years ago GKs seemed to permanent fixtures in all the teams. You're normally the stats man so I'm surprised you've not done some research on that thesis. Minus the stats I know what you mean. However "back in the day" clubs typically only had one first team and one "reserve" goalie. If either or both of those got crocked the loan and transfer system allowed players to move between clubs at any time so removing the need for depth of back up in the squad - all vying for one shirt as nowadays. Add to that most games were not televised - so any goalkeeping error was not analysed in slo-mo from every conceivable angle and pored over in the press the following day and it all led to an environment where the 'keeper had a better chance of holding on to the shirt for longer. So you're probably right.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2019 16:31:38 GMT
Lindegaard is available on a free
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Post by nonameface on Apr 5, 2019 18:34:39 GMT
Agree, what's the point in selling for anything less? Transfer fees are going sky high so we really should be looking at extracting as close to £30m as possible.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Apr 5, 2019 19:58:37 GMT
My bet is butland out, F Forster in I was thinking this too a while back but thinking Forsters days as a top keeper are gone Not sure who we could attract better than forster atm
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Post by callas12 on Apr 5, 2019 20:58:46 GMT
I was thinking this too a while back but thinking Forsters days as a top keeper are gone Not sure who we could attract better than forster atm A Saints fan I know says Forsters slipped to 3rd or 4th choice keeper these days & it isn't just a dip in form that's caused his fall from grace, others issues allegedly impacting him of late too. He hasn't played since December 2017 & only signed a new 5 year deal until 2022 worth an estimated £70k a week with Southampton in the summer of 2017. Did think he'd of been an option a few weeks back but the more I've heard the more I don't think he'll be playing footy anywhere anytime soon nevermind it being with Stoke. There are other keepers out there who could do us a job..
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Post by berahinosgoals on Apr 6, 2019 6:13:56 GMT
Not sure who we could attract better than forster atm A Saints fan I know says Forsters slipped to 3rd or 4th choice keeper these days & it isn't just a dip in form that's caused his fall from grace, others issues allegedly impacting him of late too. He hasn't played since December 2017 & only signed a new 5 year deal until 2022 worth an estimated £70k a week with Southampton in the summer of 2017. Did think he'd of been an option a few weeks back but the more I've heard the more I don't think he'll be playing footy anywhere anytime soon nevermind it being with Stoke. There are other keepers out there who could do us a job.. Which keepers are you thinking of? Forster could be a loan option it that's the case with stoke paying half of his wage? Wonder if we could get Grant back for a season?
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 7, 2019 9:18:32 GMT
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Apr 7, 2019 9:20:33 GMT
That Blackburn keeper looks quality. Their local radio said that the save he made from Vokes was the best save of the season, but apart from that his distribution with feet looked very good.
He saved a penalty too of course!
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Post by nutterpotter on Apr 7, 2019 9:24:16 GMT
Looks like he was on loan at Luton the season Jones joined them in January
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Post by FullerMagic on Apr 7, 2019 9:33:27 GMT
Looks like he was on loan at Luton the season Jones joined them in January Interesting. Could be quite a strong link then
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 7, 2019 9:36:45 GMT
Although I can understand Butland wanting to leave and accept fully that a keeper of his talents should be in the Premier League, I don’t see where his options are. Would a Watford/Brighton type club be attractive to him? Or would a club of that type be prepared to pay the asking price?
Alternatively, he could do “a Begovic” and sit on the bench for one of the big clubs...can’t see that happening either.
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Post by liathroid on Apr 7, 2019 9:46:09 GMT
wonder would he give it one more blast as a last respect to Gordon
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Post by lordb on Apr 7, 2019 10:09:15 GMT
Although I can understand Butland wanting to leave and accept fully that a keeper of his talents should be in the Premier League, I don’t see where his options are. Would a Watford/Brighton type club be attractive to him? Or would a club of that type be prepared to pay the asking price? Alternatively, he could do “a Begovic” and sit on the bench for one of the big clubs...can’t see that happening either. Any Premier League club offering first choice would be attractive to him, as it gets him a much better chance of being the England keeper. Would such a club meet the asking price? Depends what it is. Begovic + £20m would work for everyone.
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Post by desman2 on Apr 7, 2019 10:22:41 GMT
Weve overlooked the option of a European club which would probably be also on the radar of his agent
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Post by gonk on Apr 7, 2019 10:23:13 GMT
Although I can understand Butland wanting to leave and accept fully that a keeper of his talents should be in the Premier League, I don’t see where his options are. Would a Watford/Brighton type club be attractive to him? Or would a club of that type be prepared to pay the asking price? Alternatively, he could do “a Begovic” and sit on the bench for one of the big clubs...can’t see that happening either. Any Premier League club offering first choice would be attractive to him, as it gets him a much better chance of being the England keeper. Would such a club meet the asking price? Depends what it is. Begovic + £20m would work for everyone. Bid you see Begovic’s performance yesterday.😱😱😱
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Post by mickstupp on Apr 7, 2019 15:25:26 GMT
Although I can understand Butland wanting to leave and accept fully that a keeper of his talents should be in the Premier League, I don’t see where his options are. Would a Watford/Brighton type club be attractive to him? Or would a club of that type be prepared to pay the asking price? Alternatively, he could do “a Begovic” and sit on the bench for one of the big clubs...can’t see that happening either. Any Premier League club offering first choice would be attractive to him, as it gets him a much better chance of being the England keeper. Would such a club meet the asking price? Depends what it is. Begovic + £20m would work for everyone. I don’t see begovic being receptive to coming back here at all
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Apr 7, 2019 15:48:14 GMT
I can't see Butland staying - but I think we could better without him. We aren't going to get a better shot stopper and we'll certainly concede goals we wouldn't have with Butland in goal, However he doesn't command the area and his distribution is terrible - a more commanding goalkeeper who can distribute the ball more effectively could offset the deficit in blinding saves.
Butland also has that swagger you need if you're going to play at the very highest level - but I'm not sure that fits particularly well with Jones's team ethic. Butland probably thinks he's above playing at Championship level and considers himself to be in a different league to his team mates - which is actually true, We might be better off with a keeper who is just one of the lads.
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Post by robwahlmann on Apr 7, 2019 16:01:25 GMT
I'll say it again, Andre Hansen at Rosenborg in Norway is a very good and underrated goalkeeper. I really think we could get him for around £2M and that would be a bargain in my opinion!
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Post by Veritas on Apr 7, 2019 16:03:08 GMT
I can't see Butland staying - but I think we could better without him. We aren't going to get a better shot stopper and we'll certainly concede goals we wouldn't have with Butland in goal, However he doesn't command the area and his distribution is terrible - a more commanding goalkeeper who can distribute the ball more effectively could offset the deficit in blinding saves. Butland also has that swagger you need if you're going to play at the very highest level - but I'm not sure that fits particularly well with Jones's team ethic. Butland probably thinks he's above playing at Championship level and considers himself to be in a different league to his team mates - which is actually true, We might be better off with a keeper who is just one of the lads. In no way will we be better off if as is good as certain Butland leaves.
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Post by StokeTudoGuy on Apr 7, 2019 16:32:15 GMT
Joe Lumley should be high on our list as should Christian Walton.
I would like us to try and pick up Freddie Woodman too for his prospect.
Cost wise we would easily afford to pick up one of Lumley/Walton (Ready to go) and Woodman (Backup/Future) and have plenty left over from selling Jack.
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Post by lordb on Apr 7, 2019 16:36:39 GMT
Any Premier League club offering first choice would be attractive to him, as it gets him a much better chance of being the England keeper. Would such a club meet the asking price? Depends what it is. Begovic + £20m would work for everyone. Bid you see Begovic’s performance yesterday.😱😱😱 Not yet, heard he dropped some clangers. We know he's a good keeper though.
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