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Post by fulagoals on Nov 21, 2019 19:57:13 GMT
Then we have to sign one, Federeci is as convincing as Prince Andrew under questioning. Goalkeeper is the priority after left back for me. They are the two positions that have let us down the most this calendar year. Wayne Hennessy at Palace is currently out of the 1st team. Would be an excellent replacement for Jack although would probably cost similar money.
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Post by robwahlmann on Nov 21, 2019 19:59:14 GMT
Agree with 10m + sell on Think we need to avoid loan because of reducing contract length and him devaluing further Would not be fussed at all to see the back of him. Bar some worldies, he's a nobody in recent years compared with Bego/Soro. I'd hope we'll get £12M + different clauses installed in the deal as well. Sell-on fee, number of games for WH + England and so on. Certainly need to sell now or he'll might sit out his contract.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2019 20:06:02 GMT
We need to sell because he threw NJ under the bus .Not that he needed any help .
A weak character ,who has let the side down often
Makes an average goalie like federici look decent
And a good goalie like Lee grant , look like Gordon banks
Looks the part , and has the right face for question of sport , football focus etc
And can pull off some worldy saves
But as reliable as an Austin Allegro with 200 000 miles on the clock
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Nov 21, 2019 20:13:06 GMT
£7m. Plus 50% sell on.🤑
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Nov 21, 2019 21:06:30 GMT
Jack's fall from grace and catastrophic loss of form is one of the biggest football mysteries of recent times. Seems to have paralleled the club's fortunes, not really a mystery to me at least.
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Post by pushon on Dec 5, 2019 11:40:30 GMT
Debated his current value recently with a couple of pals. One thinks we should still get around £20m for him, the concensus was, if we could get £10m then we'd drive him there. My view,is that a fee plus customary addons would be most likely. Say £5m as the base. This probably sounds ridiculously low to some on here, but he's at a very low ebb at the moment. Any thoughts?
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Post by lordb on Dec 5, 2019 11:45:59 GMT
Debated his current value recently with a couple of pals. One thinks we should still get around £20m for him, the concensus was, if we could get £10m then we'd drive him there. My view,is that a fee plus customary addons would be most likely. Say £5m as the base. This probably sounds ridiculously low to some on here, but he's at a very low ebb at the moment. Any thoughts? Like his form his value has plummeted.
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Post by FranktheRabbit on Dec 5, 2019 11:55:19 GMT
Debated his current value recently with a couple of pals. One thinks we should still get around £20m for him, the concensus was, if we could get £10m then we'd drive him there. My view,is that a fee plus customary addons would be most likely. Say £5m as the base. This probably sounds ridiculously low to some on here, but he's at a very low ebb at the moment. Any thoughts? I think your about right. I would cringe if we were looking for £15m/£20m for him. I’d say, £8m/£10m is about right based on current form.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 12:04:27 GMT
If I was part of a recruitment team looking for a goalkeeper Jack Butland would not be on my radar
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 5, 2019 12:21:05 GMT
If I was part of a recruitment team looking for a goalkeeper Jack Butland would not be on my radar I'd be tempted as a punt for 3/4m but not if my club needed a ready made #1.
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Post by onionman on Dec 5, 2019 12:34:07 GMT
I saw a film once when someone paid a thug to punch him repeatedly in the face. I can’t remember why he did that, but if he’s out there managing a football club somewhere maybe he would like to spend money signing Jack Butland.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Dec 5, 2019 12:41:10 GMT
If I was part of a recruitment team looking for a goalkeeper Jack Butland would not be on my radar I'd be tempted as a punt for 3/4m but not if my club needed a ready made #1. Yeah realistically why would anyone pay more than £5m at an absolute maximum for him?
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Post by crowey on Dec 5, 2019 14:12:47 GMT
... we’d be lucky to get someone to take him off our hands
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 5, 2019 16:54:02 GMT
I'd be tempted as a punt for 3/4m but not if my club needed a ready made #1. Yeah realistically why would anyone pay more than £5m at an absolute maximum for him? They just wouldn't. That's why I think we need to loan him out tbh. We've got to try and recoup some value and for me that's the only way.
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Post by jeycov on Dec 5, 2019 17:01:19 GMT
Does he want to stay?
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Post by emery1985 on Dec 5, 2019 18:14:37 GMT
Jack butland is the new Scott carson
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Post by str8outtahampton on Dec 5, 2019 18:32:41 GMT
I saw a film once when someone paid a thug to punch him repeatedly in the face. I can’t remember why he did that, but if he’s out there managing a football club somewhere maybe he would like to spend money signing Jack Butland. Possibly Dirty Harry (Callaghan), played by Clint Eastwood. The villain (the excellent Scorpio) paid to get beaten up so that suspicion would fall on Callaghan. I doubt he'd be interested in Jack Butland, but you never know. The problem with Butland, and indeed many of our squad, is not so much what we might get for them. The real question is whether anyone else would be prepared to match their wages. In the absence of that, I think we may be lumbered. Dirty Harry tended to sort out his problems with a Magnum 45, of course.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 18:45:08 GMT
Has anyone heard the story of Kaiser in Brazil ? If you'd never seen Butland play until this season you might think he was our Kaiser 😁
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Post by greystokie on Dec 5, 2019 20:22:54 GMT
I posted on another thread that I couldn't see any Premier League team looking to sign Butland as a first choice keeper. If they are looking for a second keeper to warm the bench then I don't think that would be an attractive proposition for the player, himself, and under such conditions I wouldn't be surprised if he turned down such a move. At least at Stoke he's getting games with the opportunity to turn his form around and get noticed whereas sitting on a bench is likely to do neither. For what its worth I don't know why Federici was dropped. He'd done nothing wrong in my eyes and Butland didn't deserve to be reinstated. The only reason I can think of was to get Butland in the shop window for the Jan transfer window but he hasn't covered himself in glory so far.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 20:49:29 GMT
I posted on another thread that I couldn't see any Premier League team looking to sign Butland as a first choice keeper. If they are looking for a second keeper to warm the bench then I don't think that would be an attractive proposition for the player, himself, and under such conditions I wouldn't be surprised if he turned down such a move. At least at Stoke he's getting games with the opportunity to turn his form around and get noticed whereas sitting on a bench is likely to do neither. For what its worth I don't know why Federici was dropped. He'd done nothing wrong in my eyes and Butland didn't deserve to be reinstated. The only reason I can think of was to get Butland in the shop window for the Jan transfer window but he hasn't covered himself in glory so far. I mean it could be that Butland is light years ahead of Federici in training (he probably is) so is being picked on merit. Hes struggling in games but the whole fucking team is. We ain't in the relegation places solely because of him.
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Post by greystokie on Dec 5, 2019 20:56:35 GMT
I posted on another thread that I couldn't see any Premier League team looking to sign Butland as a first choice keeper. If they are looking for a second keeper to warm the bench then I don't think that would be an attractive proposition for the player, himself, and under such conditions I wouldn't be surprised if he turned down such a move. At least at Stoke he's getting games with the opportunity to turn his form around and get noticed whereas sitting on a bench is likely to do neither. For what its worth I don't know why Federici was dropped. He'd done nothing wrong in my eyes and Butland didn't deserve to be reinstated. The only reason I can think of was to get Butland in the shop window for the Jan transfer window but he hasn't covered himself in glory so far. I mean it could be that Butland is light years ahead of Federici in training (he probably is) so is being picked on merit. Hes struggling in games but the whole fucking team is. We ain't in the relegation places solely because of him. I agree that our problems stem from the team, as a whole, and our poor form is not down to Butland alone. I only focused on Butland because he is what the thread is about, rather than the team in general. Jack may well be cutting the mustard in training but some of his performances in games, where it counts, have been absolutely dire. I accept that Federici has had less game time but I can't recall him making any howlers on the scale that Butland has - on several occasions.
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Post by ct1 on Dec 5, 2019 21:04:35 GMT
Given our history in transfer dealings maybe we will sell him for 5m he will come back to form culminating in man of the tournament at euros 2020 .... and we will discover there were no add-ons when we sold him
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 21:04:45 GMT
I mean it could be that Butland is light years ahead of Federici in training (he probably is) so is being picked on merit. Hes struggling in games but the whole fucking team is. We ain't in the relegation places solely because of him. I agree that our problems stem from the team, as a whole, and our poor form is not down to Butland alone. I only focused on Butland because he is what the thread is about, rather than the team in general. Jack may well be cutting the mustard in training but some of his performances in games, where it counts, have been absolutely dire. I accept that Federici has had less game time but I can't recall him making any howlers on the scale that Butland has - on several occasions. Hes made no howlers ad such but he was poor for Leeds first and third and Swanseas opener
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Post by onionman on Dec 6, 2019 18:11:31 GMT
I saw a film once when someone paid a thug to punch him repeatedly in the face. I can’t remember why he did that, but if he’s out there managing a football club somewhere maybe he would like to spend money signing Jack Butland. Possibly Dirty Harry (Callaghan), played by Clint Eastwood. The villain (the excellent Scorpio) paid to get beaten up so that suspicion would fall on Callaghan. I doubt he'd be interested in Jack Butland, but you never know. The problem with Butland, and indeed many of our squad, is not so much what we might get for them. The real question is whether anyone else would be prepared to match their wages. In the absence of that, I think we may be lumbered. Dirty Harry tended to sort out his problems with a Magnum 45, of course. I don't think it was Dirty Harry but, even if it was, you're probably right, he won't be interested in Butland.
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