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Post by felonious on Mar 6, 2019 18:59:53 GMT
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Post by murphthesurf on Mar 6, 2019 19:47:10 GMT
I dunno, Fel, but a lot of them seem to have got a huge amount of money out of him after a while....... The whole thing is beyond vile. We just don't know, do we? It's all too bizarre to try to weigh up. At the start maybe the parents were simply too naïve about what was going on - you have to remember that Jackson was a massive international music star - one of the world's biggest --- and his 'best friend', apparently, was Liz Taylor! --- so maybe they were just in awe of him and thrilled out of their brains that their children were mixing with such a famous name, because some people do get ridiculously star-struck in that way. We don't know how it went between that first point and the closing point with the massive payouts. And Lisa Marie Presley married him! What was THAT all about?????? It's all too weird for words.
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Post by telfordstoke on Mar 6, 2019 19:50:53 GMT
Always been gobsmacked by the disparity between him and his legend and the other big names who’ve been done for similar. Glitter, expunged from history books, never see or hear music now. MJ, oh he’s a legend and he was damaged by childhood fame etc. Total BS to me, he’s hidden behind this aura and got away with all sorts
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Post by felonious on Mar 6, 2019 19:54:33 GMT
I dunno, Fel, but a lot of them seem to have got a huge amount of money out of him after a while....... The whole thing is beyond vile. We just don't know, do we? It's all too bizarre to try to weigh up. At the start maybe the parents were simply too naïve about what was going on - you have to remember that Jackson was a massive international music star - one of the world's biggest --- and his 'best friend', apparently, was Liz Taylor! --- so maybe they were just in awe of him and thrilled out of their brains that their children were mixing with such a famous name, because some people do get ridiculously star-struck in that way. We don't know how it went between that first point and the closing point with the massive payouts. And Lisa Marie Presley married him! What was THAT all about?????? It's all too weird for words. I don't think that Lisa Marie Presley is probably the best example of anything normal giving the upbringing that she must have had.
It's one thing star struck kids being around him it's another thing entirely allowing your child to sleep in the same bed overnight for 6 years in both cases. Jettisoned when they hit puberty by the sounds of it. Way, way beyond bizarre.
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Post by felonious on Mar 6, 2019 19:56:54 GMT
Always been gobsmacked by the disparity between him and his legend and the other big names who’ve been done for similar. Glitter, expunged from history books, never see or hear music now. MJ, oh he’s a legend and he was damaged by childhood fame etc. Total BS to me, he’s hidden behind this aura and got away with all sorts Isn't the subtle difference that Glitter was found guilty in court. There was so much compensation paid out by Jackson you'd think his music would have been shelved by now.
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Post by GeneralFaye on Mar 6, 2019 19:58:46 GMT
I find it amusing that there are actually quite a lot of people who are surprised by these revelations
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Post by murphthesurf on Mar 6, 2019 20:00:47 GMT
I dunno, Fel, but a lot of them seem to have got a huge amount of money out of him after a while....... The whole thing is beyond vile. And Lisa Marie Presley married him! What was THAT all about?????? It's all too weird for words. I don't think that Lisa Marie Presley is probably the best example of anything normal giving the upbringing that she must have had.
It's one thing star struck kids being around him it's another thing entirely allowing your child to sleep in the same bed overnight for 6 years in both cases. Jettisoned when they hit puberty by the sounds of it. Way, way beyond bizarre.
Can't argue with any of that.
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Post by pearo on Mar 6, 2019 20:11:16 GMT
How did Michael Jackson know when it was bedtime?
When the big hand was on the little hand
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 6, 2019 21:54:47 GMT
His family think Michael was whiter than white.
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Post by chad on Mar 6, 2019 21:59:17 GMT
Always been gobsmacked by the disparity between him and his legend and the other big names who’ve been done for similar. Glitter, expunged from history books, never see or hear music now. MJ, oh he’s a legend and he was damaged by childhood fame etc. Total BS to me, he’s hidden behind this aura and got away with all sorts Isn't the subtle difference that Glitter was found guilty in court. There was so much compensation paid out by Jackson you'd think his music would have been shelved by now. The difference is that Jackson had more money than Gary Glitter Hope after this Jackson’s music gets banned. Always thought he was shit anyway
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Post by kelw on Mar 6, 2019 22:46:15 GMT
Rakes me when I hear Stevie Wonder today saying leaving it he'd dead etc. Stuff like this has to come out as is just more confirmation of what so many suspected., still with us or not. Grim watching but when you see all the footage of him with these poor kids you kind of realise he was doing it in public the Moonwalking, fiddly, shit music making weirdo.
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Post by turtlefox on Mar 6, 2019 23:07:41 GMT
He's not a paedofile, he's a very naughty boy.
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Post by potterenfrance on Mar 6, 2019 23:12:27 GMT
Always been gobsmacked by the disparity between him and his legend and the other big names who’ve been done for similar. Glitter, expunged from history books, never see or hear music now. MJ, oh he’s a legend and he was damaged by childhood fame etc. Total BS to me, he’s hidden behind this aura and got away with all sorts maybe also because glitters music was total fucking turf and Jackson very influential lol
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Post by potterenfrance on Mar 6, 2019 23:12:41 GMT
Turd lol
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Post by salopstick on Mar 7, 2019 6:59:08 GMT
Jackson has a not guilty verdict
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Post by felonious on Mar 7, 2019 7:07:09 GMT
Jackson has a not guilty verdict I don't think he'd get one today.
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Post by Frogger Theft Auto on Mar 7, 2019 7:17:40 GMT
The weirdest thing about all of this is how many people defend him. The comments on the articles about the two blokes that came forward seemed to be 75% people calling those two liars.
A very rich paedophile that could pay off anybody that would testify against him, with an army of crazed fans that’ll cause a backlash to anybody reporting this.
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Post by telfordstoke on Mar 7, 2019 7:30:18 GMT
Always been gobsmacked by the disparity between him and his legend and the other big names who’ve been done for similar. Glitter, expunged from history books, never see or hear music now. MJ, oh he’s a legend and he was damaged by childhood fame etc. Total BS to me, he’s hidden behind this aura and got away with all sorts maybe also because glitters music was total fucking turf and Jackson very influential lol Last time I was in the US , and I’m sure it was after Glitter got done, I’m sure they were still using one of his songs at sports events ( you know when they play sing snippets between “plays” at basketball etc ). But yeah MJ seems to have been a hugely wealthy guy protected by an entourage who could pay pretty much anything off. I agree, he’d struggle to get a not guilty now
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 7, 2019 7:32:54 GMT
It’s bleedingly obvious, just look at him. Any man that goes to that much trouble to look like The Childcatcher has got to be wrong. They’re almost indistinguishable! “Lollipops🍭”
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Post by flea79 on Mar 7, 2019 8:34:52 GMT
watched part 1 last night and Michael was a fucked up individual, if indeed it is true then there is no justification for what he did to these kids
but he was facilitated by people around him, the story one mum told about how her room was moved further and further away from Michael's room where her boy was sleeping shows a large conspiracy here
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2019 8:55:12 GMT
Those kids have been let down by society. Was there ever any doubt of his guilt?
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Post by telfordstoke on Mar 7, 2019 9:01:27 GMT
watched part 1 last night and Michael was a fucked up individual, if indeed it is true then there is no justification for what he did to these kids but he was facilitated by people around him, the story one mum told about how her room was moved further and further away from Michael's room where her boy was sleeping shows a large conspiracy here Clear difficulty is that you have allegations about a hugely influential dead icon/legend, and the accusers hit a wall of a fan base bolstered by the ongoing money making machine that is MJ so there’s no real will to conclude that he behaved as badly as Saville-Glitter et al. Leaves a bad taste in the mouth doesn’t it
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Post by flea79 on Mar 7, 2019 9:33:25 GMT
watched part 1 last night and Michael was a fucked up individual, if indeed it is true then there is no justification for what he did to these kids but he was facilitated by people around him, the story one mum told about how her room was moved further and further away from Michael's room where her boy was sleeping shows a large conspiracy here Clear difficulty is that you have allegations about a hugely influential dead icon/legend, and the accusers hit a wall of a fan base bolstered by the ongoing money making machine that is MJ so there’s no real will to conclude that he behaved as badly as Saville-Glitter et al. Leaves a bad taste in the mouth doesn’t it pretty well summed up this was grooming like any other but on another level, not just a bag of sweets or bottle of vodka but the jacket from the thriller video given away and theme parks booked out for private use and entire toy shops paid for
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Post by salopstick on Mar 7, 2019 11:55:08 GMT
Michael Jackson was weird. But he had a very abnormal life. His dad took his childhood away and he lived his entire life under a public spotlight. It didn’t help he was that talented his fame and life was on a par with the Beatles.
All these stories of Jackson link to a man who was still a child in so many ways. Yes they are weird but there are too many inconsistencies on both sides to get the true facts
He was found not guilty in court but on the other hand for reasons which may not be sinister paid people off to keep shit out the news.
He’s dead. This is different to saville where there are institutions covering up and his abuse stretched far and wide implicating others.
On the face of it there is no actual evidence just somebodies word which along with their families and multi-million dollar lawsuits may have other reasons for doing so.
Neverland was filled with cameras and staff. I’m assuming they were all interviews and the building searched etc as part of the trial.
This is one case where opinions will differ but no full truth will come out.
But if it is true then there is no way the parents didn’t know things were strange.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Mar 7, 2019 12:03:21 GMT
It’s bleedingly obvious, just look at him. Any man that goes to that much trouble to look like The Childcatcher has got to be wrong. They’re almost indistinguishable! “Lollipops🍭” Explains the one white glove. The moonwalk was developed for a hasty retreat from a child's bedroom if a reporter happened to pass by.
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Post by felonious on Mar 7, 2019 12:47:16 GMT
Michael Jackson was weird. But he had a very abnormal life. His dad took his childhood away and he lived his entire life under a public spotlight. It didn’t help he was that talented his fame and life was on a par with the Beatles. All these stories of Jackson link to a man who was still a child in so many ways. Yes they are weird but there are too many inconsistencies on both sides to get the true facts He was found not guilty in court but on the other hand for reasons which may not be sinister paid people off to keep shit out the news. He’s dead. This is different to saville where there are institutions covering up and his abuse stretched far and wide implicating others. On the face of it there is no actual evidence just somebodies word which along with their families and multi-million dollar lawsuits may have other reasons for doing so. Neverland was filled with cameras and staff. I’m assuming they were all interviews and the building searched etc as part of the trial. This is one case where opinions will differ but no full truth will come out. But if it is true then there is no way the parents didn’t know things were strange. Remarkably similar grooming and abuse tales from the two participants last night. The parents are equally guilty in all of this and no doubt the two mothers are still in denial.
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Post by salopstick on Mar 7, 2019 13:00:21 GMT
Michael Jackson was weird. But he had a very abnormal life. His dad took his childhood away and he lived his entire life under a public spotlight. It didn’t help he was that talented his fame and life was on a par with the Beatles. All these stories of Jackson link to a man who was still a child in so many ways. Yes they are weird but there are too many inconsistencies on both sides to get the true facts He was found not guilty in court but on the other hand for reasons which may not be sinister paid people off to keep shit out the news. He’s dead. This is different to saville where there are institutions covering up and his abuse stretched far and wide implicating others. On the face of it there is no actual evidence just somebodies word which along with their families and multi-million dollar lawsuits may have other reasons for doing so. Neverland was filled with cameras and staff. I’m assuming they were all interviews and the building searched etc as part of the trial. This is one case where opinions will differ but no full truth will come out. But if it is true then there is no way the parents didn’t know things were strange. Remarkably similar grooming and abuse tales from the two participants last night. The parents are equally guilty in all of this and no doubt the two mothers are still in denial. That says either jacko did the same or they got their stories straight between each other. In my eyes he will never be guilty nor will he ever be innocent. Not enough facts or evidence to suggest 100% on either side. Being a weird childlike adult is not proof neither is there stories. The whole thing is very one sided
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Post by kelw on Mar 7, 2019 16:54:01 GMT
Jackson has a not guilty verdict So did another incredibly popular, wealthy black man in the USA around the same time with so much evidence pointing the finger at him.
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Post by felonious on Mar 7, 2019 18:05:46 GMT
Remarkably similar grooming and abuse tales from the two participants last night. The parents are equally guilty in all of this and no doubt the two mothers are still in denial. That says either jacko did the same or they got their stories straight between each other. In my eyes he will never be guilty nor will he ever be innocent. Not enough facts or evidence to suggest 100% on either side. Being a weird childlike adult is not proof neither is there stories. The whole thing is very one sided Out of interest did you watch the Programme?
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 7, 2019 18:19:48 GMT
Remarkably similar grooming and abuse tales from the two participants last night. The parents are equally guilty in all of this and no doubt the two mothers are still in denial. That says either jacko did the same or they got their stories straight between each other. In my eyes he will never be guilty nor will he ever be innocent. Not enough facts or evidence to suggest 100% on either side. Being a weird childlike adult is not proof neither is there stories. The whole thing is very one sided This is a V different tone that you’re taking to the one dished out to the McCann’s...
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