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Post by stokieinaus on Feb 19, 2019 11:33:42 GMT
Nothing against women but I believe to get paid for criticising and judging you need to have been part of the action at some time, that goes for management too. It’s easy to say what should have been but I find it a little unfair when you don’t have the background or experience to judge. It’s like criticising a sports difficulty and skill when you’ve never played it.
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 19, 2019 11:47:39 GMT
Nothing against women but I believe to get paid for criticising and judging you need to have been part of the action at some time, that goes for management too. It’s easy to say what should have been but I find it a little unfair when you don’t have the background or experience to judge. It’s like criticising a sports difficulty and skill when you’ve never played it. “You don’t have to have been a horse to be a jockey” Arrigo Sacchi
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Post by greyman on Feb 19, 2019 12:49:34 GMT
Anyone complaining about women's high pitched voices in the commentary is basically answering their own question about sexism in football. I'm sure there was similar outrage when women first read the news on "the wireless". I can only assume that, with that user name, you're being ironic
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Feb 19, 2019 13:09:28 GMT
Anyone complaining about women's high pitched voices in the commentary is basically answering their own question about sexism in football. I'm sure there was similar outrage when women first read the news on "the wireless". I can only assume that, with that user name, you're being ironic Or the user name is. Anyway - I don't know about you daaahling but I tend to find people with contradictions so much more interesting.
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Post by shangamuzo on Feb 19, 2019 13:27:36 GMT
Saw an interesting discussion on BT Sport on YouTube and thought I'd share. What are your thoughts? I’m all for women as pundits, commentators and reporters in football but I personally think TV stations are now overcompensating slightly as there seems to be a wider 'push' for it. That, somewhat paradoxically, is in itself unequal and unfair (i.e. in order to redress some sort of balance you have to actively shift against a certain group to achieve it). That said, it doesn't really matter to me whether they are a man or a woman. I think there's far too many pundits in general anyway. Why you need more than 2 people in a studio discussing a game of football is beyond me. It's all hollow cliches and stuff that anyone in the pub could see most of the time. 1 commentator, 1 presenter and 1 pundit is enough. Football is on television far too much these days. They arnt compensating on MOTD yet are they ?
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Post by shangamuzo on Feb 19, 2019 13:28:10 GMT
Satdee night.
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 19, 2019 14:36:50 GMT
Nothing against women but I believe to get paid for criticising and judging you need to have been part of the action at some time, that goes for management too. It’s easy to say what should have been but I find it a little unfair when you don’t have the background or experience to judge. It’s like criticising a sports difficulty and skill when you’ve never played it. But isn't it the case that the most female football pundits have played, or are playing the game? Women's football plays to the same rules as men's football and the principles are the same They commonly have male pundits who are sports journalists on TV which presumably you are against? I'm not convinced that ex-footballers are the most insightful when it comes to punditry anyway , its very common for players to appear on these shows and then struggle to string a coherent sentence together or just come out with a string of meaningless cliches. there are great managers who have fascinating insights on the game and have hardly ever played it, so couldn't this apply to punditry too?
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Feb 19, 2019 14:48:39 GMT
Nothing against women but I believe to get paid for criticising and judging you need to have been part of the action at some time, that goes for management too. It’s easy to say what should have been but I find it a little unfair when you don’t have the background or experience to judge. It’s like criticising a sports difficulty and skill when you’ve never played it. But isn't it the case that the most female football pundits have played, or are playing the game? Women's football plays to the same rules as men's football and the principles are the same They commonly have male pundits who are sports journalists on TV which presumably you are against? I'm not convinced that ex-footballers are the most insightful when it comes to punditry anyway , its very common for players to appear on these shows and then struggle to string a coherent sentence together or just come out with a string of meaningless cliches. there are great managers who have fascinating insights on the game and have hardly ever played it, so couldn't this apply to punditry too? This, exactly this. How many World Cups did Robbie Savage play in for instance? You can't put lines up for women everywhere saying they've never played at X level and then completely ignore them just because the pundit in question happens to be a man.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Feb 19, 2019 15:05:33 GMT
Anyone complaining about women's high pitched voices in the commentary is basically answering their own question about sexism in football. I'm sure there was similar outrage when women first read the news on "the wireless". I can only assume that, with that user name, you're being ironic Could be his real name?
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Feb 19, 2019 15:09:31 GMT
have to confess, I have a little crush on Michelle Owen.
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Post by heworksardtho on Feb 19, 2019 16:19:33 GMT
There is one who tries to sound like Jonathon Pearce, she does my head in.and they do seem to be adding more to the mix, no problem with it but I can't get used to it personally, even my Mrs says it doesn't sound right and it should be a bloke. Out of interest would you come on here and say that a West Indian accent didn't sound right ,- even if you thought it?? Ooooooo I sniff a hint of racism 😎
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Post by heworksardtho on Feb 19, 2019 16:20:42 GMT
Nothing against women but I believe to get paid for criticising and judging you need to have been part of the action at some time, that goes for management too. It’s easy to say what should have been but I find it a little unfair when you don’t have the background or experience to judge. It’s like criticising a sports difficulty and skill when you’ve never played it. “You don’t have to have been a horse to be a jockey” Arrigo Sacchi If a dog is born in a stable does that make it a horse 😎
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Feb 19, 2019 16:28:50 GMT
Nothing against women but I believe to get paid for criticising and judging you need to have been part of the action at some time, that goes for management too. It’s easy to say what should have been but I find it a little unfair when you don’t have the background or experience to judge. It’s like criticising a sports difficulty and skill when you’ve never played it. In which case ALL pundits should stop criticising referees as I cannot think of a single one that has refereed a top class game.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Feb 19, 2019 17:03:00 GMT
I can only assume that, with that user name, you're being ironic Could be his real name? Or I could be a she.
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Post by wakefieldstokie on Feb 19, 2019 17:07:26 GMT
Sexy female pundits you say...
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Feb 19, 2019 17:36:55 GMT
I always knew you dressed up😄
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Post by teenagefanclub on Feb 19, 2019 18:13:04 GMT
have to confess, I have a little crush on Michelle Owen. She's bloody gorgeous a d one of the best reporters on soccer Saturday.
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Post by waffles on Feb 19, 2019 18:21:52 GMT
It's worse at test match cricket, it's horrible, I don't care what the pc brigade say.
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Post by GrahamHyde on Feb 19, 2019 18:37:00 GMT
have to confess, I have a little crush on Michelle Owen. Thought that said Michael for a split second.
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Post by maninasuitcase on Feb 19, 2019 19:02:43 GMT
Eilidh Barbour gets my vote. I think she's a stunner.
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Post by str8outtahampton on Feb 19, 2019 19:03:19 GMT
I’m all for it , but has anybody else noticed how rough there hands look from washing all those dishes and doing all that hoovering 😎 Indeed. And menstruating. With monotonous regularity. Women - know your place!
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Post by tony1234 on Feb 19, 2019 19:09:46 GMT
Sorry to be political, but that's what this issue is There is no reason to promote women with these tokenist schemes - there is no such things as the pay gap, pretty much, once you take into account "choice" . The only reason that women are portrayed as disadvantaged is because those with a political agenda decided to look at, by and large, the only couple of metrics where women were worse off, which was total pay and how many are in Boardrooms. Out of that warped analysis comes the notion that in every area of life, women need to be artificially elevated to privileged jobs, irrespective of their lack of experience, ability, etc. When you look across the piece though, there are lots of good reasons to promote men from poorer backgrounds before you promote women to these jobs. www.essex.ac.uk/news/2019/01/03/new-measure-for-gender-inequality-suggests-many-disadvantages-for-men
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Post by bertieb on Feb 19, 2019 19:15:21 GMT
There is one who tries to sound like Jonathon Pearce, she does my head in.and they do seem to be adding more to the mix, no problem with it but I can't get used to it personally, even my Mrs says it doesn't sound right and it should be a bloke. The female commentator on BBC sounds atrocious. Almost trying to hard. That's the one
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Post by bertieb on Feb 19, 2019 19:16:54 GMT
There is one who tries to sound like Jonathon Pearce, she does my head in.and they do seem to be adding more to the mix, no problem with it but I can't get used to it personally, even my Mrs says it doesn't sound right and it should be a bloke. Out of interest would you come on here and say that a West Indian accent didn't sound right ,- even if you thought it?? I never said it, read the post again. And it is nothing to do with accents.
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Post by fca47 on Feb 19, 2019 19:18:09 GMT
They all pretty much spout the same drivel, I turn over whenever any of them come on, men or women. The feminist movement like a lot of other things uses historical truth to tell lies about today's reality. Like all of these movements , once they achieve most of their aims they are deserted by reasonable people and only the fanatics are left , but they play on the vestiges of goodwill left over from the past, to push ever more ludicrous policies.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Feb 19, 2019 19:27:36 GMT
Out of interest would you come on here and say that a West Indian accent didn't sound right ,- even if you thought it?? I never said it, read the post again. And it is nothing to do with accents. I have read it and it is everything to do with the attributes of a female voice. " Even my missus said it doesn't sound right and IT SHOULD BE A BLOKE". You wouldn't post " it doesn't sound right and it should be a white" would you?
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Feb 19, 2019 22:09:46 GMT
I always knew you dressed up😄 You can call me Brenda on Saturdays...
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Post by wrighter on Feb 19, 2019 22:12:11 GMT
Eilidh Barbour gets my vote. I think she's a stunner. Piss off, she"s mine ![(lol)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/lvpvZ64EmrkLcuVniUmo.gif)
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Post by adi on Feb 19, 2019 22:40:32 GMT
Sorry to be political, but that's what this issue is There is no reason to promote women with these tokenist schemes - there is no such things as the pay gap, pretty much, once you take into account "choice" . The only reason that women are portrayed as disadvantaged is because those with a political agenda decided to look at, by and large, the only couple of metrics where women were worse off, which was total pay and how many are in Boardrooms. Out of that warped analysis comes the notion that in every area of life, women need to be artificially elevated to privileged jobs, irrespective of their lack of experience, ability, etc. When you look across the piece though, there are lots of good reasons to promote men from poorer backgrounds before you promote women to these jobs. www.essex.ac.uk/news/2019/01/03/new-measure-for-gender-inequality-suggests-many-disadvantages-for-menYep. The true research has dispelled the gender pay gap myth. I’m glad you picked this out.
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Post by Seymour Beaver on Feb 19, 2019 23:38:52 GMT
Sorry to be political, but that's what this issue is There is no reason to promote women with these tokenist schemes - there is no such things as the pay gap, pretty much, once you take into account "choice" . The only reason that women are portrayed as disadvantaged is because those with a political agenda decided to look at, by and large, the only couple of metrics where women were worse off, which was total pay and how many are in Boardrooms. Out of that warped analysis comes the notion that in every area of life, women need to be artificially elevated to privileged jobs, irrespective of their lack of experience, ability, etc. When you look across the piece though, there are lots of good reasons to promote men from poorer backgrounds before you promote women to these jobs. www.essex.ac.uk/news/2019/01/03/new-measure-for-gender-inequality-suggests-many-disadvantages-for-menThe thread is about female pundits and sexism in football. The majority of football pundits ARE men from poorer backgrounds (albeit enriched by their playing contracts). People who don't like female pundits will inevitably claim their presence is due to quotas or diversity targets - and in some cases that may be true. However for a whole host of reasons attracting more girls/women to sport in general and football in particular can only be a good thing - and if employing female presenters helps to make the sport more inclusive then in my opinion it should be applauded.
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