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Post by claytonscrubs on Feb 21, 2019 19:23:39 GMT
I personally couldn’t give a fig if they’re good at punditry or not, It’s what they look like, that’s all that matters to me 😉
Alex Scott ... I would. Sue Smith ... I wouldn’t touch her with a barge pole. Gabby Logan ... I would. Clare Balding ... My ex-wife would.
I’m sure Richard Keys (werewolf) and Andy Gray “Charlotte, can you tuck this down here for me, love?” Would agree.
Mr Beaver dislikes this post ^
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Feb 21, 2019 19:53:58 GMT
Reading through this thread reminds me that sexism is alive and well among some football fans, but also that there is some informed and well argued analysis of the issue.
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Post by Beloved Monkfish on Feb 21, 2019 20:03:06 GMT
Reading through this thread reminds me that sexism is alive and well among some football fans, but also that there is some informed and well argued analysis of the issue. It's extremely depressing isn't it? Why is it ok to justify it by saying "I'm old school"? Pathetic.
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Post by spitthedog on Feb 22, 2019 0:38:59 GMT
Reading through this thread reminds me that sexism is alive and well among some football fans, but also that there is some informed and well argued analysis of the issue. It's extremely depressing isn't it? Why is it ok to justify it by saying "I'm old school"? Pathetic. another one is "banter"....which somehow seems to magically legitimise abuse and prejudice!
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Post by thevoid on Feb 22, 2019 8:27:24 GMT
It's extremely depressing isn't it? Why is it ok to justify it by saying "I'm old school"? Pathetic. another one is "banter"....which somehow seems to magically legitimise abuse and prejudice! Snowflake.
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Post by Vadiation_Ribe on Feb 22, 2019 22:09:14 GMT
Everyone should know that in a parallel universe where the FA didn't ban women's football and set it back 50-odd years, it may be more popular than men's football.
The BTSport discussion was good and I think Jake Humphrey is a very good presenter. But I don't get the argument from him that they wouldn't employ a footballer who'd played in League Two to do punditry on the Premier League. How about all the journalists who've never played football professionally and regularly work as pundits? The trend for well-known footballers to be ubiquitous on punditry is a recent thing due to the modern cult of celebrity. I'm not saying famous footballers haven't been pundits for 50+ years, just that you don't have to have played at the top level to have a valid and informed opinion. How about the top managers who never played at the top level? Some posters on the Oatcake who haven't played football professionally are more qualified for punditry than ex-Premier League players in my opinion.
I'm also for "tokenism" to an extent. As a white male, maybe it'll work against me on occasions, but women and minorities (not a word I'm a fan of in this context) have been overlooked and discriminated against for hundreds of years, and the balance needs to be redressed somehow, at least so young girls (for example) have role models to look to and make them realise "I can do that." There's a line from the 92/93 season in the new documentary, "Macari's Red & White Army," from a girl in a Stoke City-obsessed family (EDIT: I've just remembered it was from a 1970s programme called "Jay Walks" (or something like that) that was shown before the Red & White Army premiere). When asked what she wants to be when she grows up, the girl says she wishes she was a boy so she could be a footballer. How thoroughly depressing. At least girls grow up now knowing they can be a pilot, astronaut, mechanic, or footballer for example. There's still a long way to go.
As for the quality of punditry, I haven't heard a bad female football pundit, and I've heard plenty of male football pundits where I've thought "yer what?" Many women have to work harder than their male counterparts to reach the positions they're in, whereas it seems easier for men to rest on their laurels. Sometimes I'm amazed by the lack of research from some well-known former Premier League players. Research should be the bare-minimum on a topic you're talking about.
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Post by Pugsley on Feb 22, 2019 22:30:15 GMT
Fair play to to Sky and the BBC though with Alex Scott. Saving a shed load of cash by filling the female, black and lesbian quota in one go. If she was a Scouser it would have been a full house.
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Post by adi on Feb 22, 2019 23:44:48 GMT
Reading through this thread reminds me that sexism is alive and well among some football fans, but also that there is some informed and well argued analysis of the issue. I must be the latter, cheers Malcolm. 😁
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Post by enuntio on Feb 23, 2019 13:10:51 GMT
The worst I have heard are all female, They are not commentating, they are reading cue cards. They don't seem to have any natural passion and drone on in just one high pitched monotone.
If good enough, the job is yours, but not just because you are female.
Audio is meant to be enjoyable. Have you ever listened to Test Match Special
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Post by harrysburrow on Feb 23, 2019 16:00:13 GMT
So the general consensus seems to be it's okay as long as they're fit? Well, I'm surprised 😉
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Post by Scrotnig on Feb 23, 2019 16:29:14 GMT
If they know their stuff and are good at the job I don’t care whether they are male or female.
There are poor female pundits and poor male pundits, but there are also excellent examples of both sexes.
Why should someone be excluded from a job they are good at, because of their sex?
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Post by kelw on Feb 24, 2019 7:18:29 GMT
The female pundit before the Chelsea game v Malmo was as bad as I've ever heard, not sure who she was but she really was terrible. Don't really care for punditry anyway to be honest, pay little attention to it and fast forward MOTD etc as watch later at night. There does seem to be a set criteria though..white chap,woman, non white chap ( whatever this week's term is as don't want to upset) ...soon to be followed by gay man, transsexual and Muslim cross dresser if the BBC carries on. ...cue the offended reply 😁
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