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Post by Laughing Gravy on Feb 10, 2019 10:23:33 GMT
I thought etebo was mom, although he wasn't great. I stayed at home to watch it (am a season ticket holder) so can't comment re edward s staying on the half way line, but if that is the case it sounds like instructions from the manager to me. This exactly. Tom Edwards, and Clucas to be fair although the rest of his game was shite, was clearly following instructions. Edwards and Clucas had plainly been told not to both bomb on at the same time. So yes there was, particularly in the second half, gaping spaces on the right but Edwards was unwilling to move forward because Clucas had already gone on. And vice versa from what I could see. Edwards wasn't by any means perfect but he had a decent game and was our most creative player. Which in itself is a damning indictment on the array of expensive 'talent' we had on the pitch.
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Post by sharonbeech21 on Feb 10, 2019 10:26:54 GMT
I thought Edwards MOM followed by Etebo
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Post by The Toxic Avenger on Feb 10, 2019 10:28:57 GMT
I've not been his biggest fan this season but he was our best player last night. The people saying ince clearly know sweet fa about football. He was totally disinterested until he saw bojan warming up then made a good run, that's it. He should be nowhere near the "tip of the diamond" if that's the system nathan plays from now on and should only be played as a winger. I hope last night made clear that McClean shouldn't start upfront either and should likewise only be started as a winger or coming on as a sub like the Leeds game. Sorry that’s absolute bollocks, he was making runs like that and generally trying to make things happen long before Bojan was anywhere near coming on.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Feb 10, 2019 10:32:33 GMT
Him and Ince the only players who could even be considered Ince really ? Until Bojan stood up to come on I had forgotten he was on the pitch..... Yes that was so blindingly obvious and a sad reflection on the arsehole that is Tom Ince. He did absolutely fuck all in the entire game except miss control the ball, whimp out of tackles and whinge, until the second Bojan stripped off and he thought he was going to get hooked and then he did that mazey run albeit ending in a piss weak shot, which was the best piece of individual skill by anybody in the entire game. Then when he didn't get subbed, he reverted back to the uninterested sulk he'd been before. He is a shithouse plain and simple and is robbing a living off us. Bojan should start ahead of him every single game and I accept he's not perfect either.
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Post by silverdollar on Feb 10, 2019 12:54:01 GMT
Really want the kid do well but if he was man of the match god help us. He is standing in no mans land half the time it was crying out for him to overlap but he was scared of getting forward. Is he under orders not to get forward or was he just knackered? He can put good crosses in but if he is our width then he needs to make himself available. Are you from another planet and just watched your first game of football? Did you not count the number of wonderful crosses Edwards put into the WBA goal area yesterday?
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Post by Absolution on Feb 10, 2019 13:03:15 GMT
No problem with Edwards getting man of the match, if only for his crossing, the like of which I've not seen for a fair few years.
Thought Etebo did well, though I'm not sure if he's overly effective or just damn good to watch a la Afellay.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2019 13:05:03 GMT
He probably was the best player on the pitch for us tonight, in the same kind of way that Fred West is the cutest serial killer I've ever seen. What, you don't think Ted Bundy is more handsome? Ted Bundy was a very handsome man, but Fred West, I just wanted to grab hold of both his little cheeks and shout " coochie coochie coo"
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Post by maine on Feb 10, 2019 14:39:59 GMT
2nd after the amazing Allen. I feared the worst when Montero came on but he managed him very well. Honorable mentions for Etebo and Baath (and Butland did OK) but the rest were horrible.
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Feb 10, 2019 15:35:57 GMT
Without sounding too ‘football manager’. The problem with our wing backs going forward is that the midfield still haven’t grasped that someone is supposed to fill that gap when he’s getting forward. If we lose possession we can’t expect him to be back in his own box immediately after putting a cross in at the other end. Once the midfield start dropping in properly and the players have more trust in one another Edwards will make a great wingback. He was our main attacking threat yesterday and kept them very quiet on that wing, including a fresh legged Jefferson Montero who’s fast as fuck, by the way. Agreed. It is a potential problem with the diamond system - if they haven't been told it is possible that Allen and Etebo never worked out their responsibility as cover for the full backs.. With a 352 system it is less of a problem as it is quite clear that the two wide players in the back 3 need to cover for the wing back when he is attacking rather than defending. You have to hope that management will sit the players down after each game and review what happened (and what should have happened) when the full backs were well up the pitch. Even though it wasn't specifically his job, I always thought Whelan was excellent at judging when a forward run by any player left a gap which he (Whelan) should cover if no other bugger was doing it. As I understand the system it is the responsibility of the DM at the base of the diamond to drop into a back three and the CBs job to shift over to cover the gaps left by the fullbacks. The middle 2 (Allen and Etebo in our case) are supposed to move forward to overload the attack. Etebo and Allen aren't the problem - we don't have a natural DM in the base of the diamond. We need an N'Zonzi type - calm, disciplined and with a physical presence lacking in our current midfield.
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Post by robwahlmann on Feb 10, 2019 15:38:45 GMT
The first game by Edwards where he has showed the potential people have been raving about.
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Post by Miles Offside on Feb 10, 2019 16:11:11 GMT
Really want the kid do well but if he was man of the match god help us. He is standing in no mans land half the time it was crying out for him to overlap but he was scared of getting forward. Is he under orders not to get forward or was he just knackered? He can put good crosses in but if he is our width then he needs to make himself available. Edwards, Ince and Allen all had good games yesterday.
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Post by mrcoke on Feb 10, 2019 23:30:06 GMT
Really want the kid do well but if he was man of the match god help us. He is standing in no mans land half the time it was crying out for him to overlap but he was scared of getting forward. Is he under orders not to get forward or was he just knackered? He can put good crosses in but if he is our width then he needs to make himself available. All players are told what to do, not do, watch out for, etc., etc. He will be under strict instructions on when he can venture forward and when he can't.
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Post by roylandstoke on Feb 10, 2019 23:55:47 GMT
I don't think Edwards is fit enough to get forward from RB. He failed to make any use of the huge spaces left open for him and many promising situations were wasted when players had to re direct play away from the obvious right wing outlet he should have been running into.
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Post by UsAndThem on Feb 11, 2019 1:27:46 GMT
Not a fan of Edwards at all and if I’m honest I don’t think he is anywhere near good enough but he was definitely MOM on Saturday and it was by far his best game yet.
Etebo wasn’t too bad and Allen had an ok game too but the rest were utter tripe. Clucas played well in his first three or four games but the last 3 or 4 games he has looked like a Sunday league player who’s been out on the piss until 6am that morning. Still can’t get over the Shawcross substitution as well 😩
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Post by stokiejoeofalsager on Feb 11, 2019 2:24:31 GMT
It will still take a lot of time for players to get used to Jones' tactics and the diamond. The full-backs are a big part of this to provide the width but its very different from playing with wingers to overlap as a full-back is usually used to. All things considered I thought Edwards was very good. His crossing is comfortably the best at the club with the exception of maybe Adam.
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Post by kustokie on Feb 11, 2019 3:53:34 GMT
2nd after the amazing Allen. I feared the worst when Montero came on but he managed him very well. Honorable mentions for Etebo and Baath (and Butland did OK) but the rest were horrible. Butland was horrible. No goalie should ever let a player have a free header inside the six yard box. That’s a basic rule of goalkeeping. He was pointing ringers almost before it went in. And he almost gifted them a second.
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