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Shawcross
Jan 26, 2019 21:53:19 GMT
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Post by mrteddysalad on Jan 26, 2019 21:53:19 GMT
I thought the backline was fine today. The 1st goal was an unlucky bounce and Etebo getting faked out and the 2nd was a quality counter by pne
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Shawcross
Jan 26, 2019 21:57:47 GMT
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Post by thehoof on Jan 26, 2019 21:57:47 GMT
I reckon my 54 year old dad is a better and faster defender than Shawcross. I reckon you’re a dick.
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Shawcross
Jan 26, 2019 21:59:08 GMT
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Post by thehoof on Jan 26, 2019 21:59:08 GMT
He did nothing wrong today. Why do the knives come out whenever we lose? How about that chronic backpass that nearly cost us a goal early on? Did it cost a goal- fancy having a user name of a bloke who plays like he has no feet!
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Post by cobhamstokey on Jan 26, 2019 22:10:45 GMT
It just feels like at the moment the opposition look like scoring every time they enter our half.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 26, 2019 22:14:10 GMT
I thought the backline was fine today. The 1st goal was an unlucky bounce and Etebo getting faked out and the 2nd was a quality counter by pne Good one ![(rofl)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/wMWjB17JNiCK5pUPtfmL.gif)
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Post by Davef on Jan 26, 2019 22:45:31 GMT
Shawcross is embarrassing stumbled around and even cleared one of our corners Not even 1% as fucking embarrassing as you though.
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Post by rorystowel on Jan 27, 2019 0:00:03 GMT
I thought the backline was fine today. The 1st goal was an unlucky bounce and Etebo getting faked out and the 2nd was a quality counter by pne Did you leave your white stick at home today? Tymon got totally done for the first. Our entire defence got done for the second - Williams couldn’t keep up with McGuire, Ryan couldn’t get across quickly enough to block the shot, Butland didn’t rush out to close down the angle, and our full backs were nowhere to be seen.
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Shawcross
Jan 27, 2019 0:15:47 GMT
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Post by wilcopotter on Jan 27, 2019 0:15:47 GMT
Thought Ryan did well today with a sjhite defence around him. After playing next stop Cort, Faye and Huth. He must look at Williams and think WTF.
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Shawcross
Jan 27, 2019 0:52:49 GMT
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Post by boru on Jan 27, 2019 0:52:49 GMT
Ryan has been past it for 2 years, he's slow poor with the ball and so scared of being turned he either grabs hold or drops off 3 yards, great player in his day, legend infact but his day has gone. No room for sentimentality and to combine him at the back with signing William's is fucking unbelievable. Which ever dipshit thought slow and past it * 2 was a good centre back pairkng is beyond me. We hold on to players to long! Because no one would buy or pay them the wages we do
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Post by jimigoodwinsbeard on Jan 27, 2019 1:03:10 GMT
I reckon my 54 year old dad is a better and faster defender than Shawcross. I reckon you're talking shit
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Post by gb on Jan 27, 2019 1:46:44 GMT
Shawcross passed back to Butland in first half , It was a good job Butland realised it wa a bad back pass or it would been 0 - 1
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2019 1:55:33 GMT
A mate just made an excellent point earlier. Ryan is a legend for us, but he's tainted it with his lack of leadership this last few seasons.
A vince overson would have slapped clucas for shushing the fans after he scored.
There have been a lot of cunts in our dressing room in recent times who need to be kept in line, and told what is expected. On the pitch, players need to be called out when they aren't giving everything.
But, in fact Ryan has fallen in with those useless cunts and has even shushed the fans himself. He's got it very wrong and needs to move on along with 10-12 others
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Post by Bojan Mackey on Jan 27, 2019 1:58:34 GMT
Can someone please correct his name in the thread title, it’s getting on my tits.
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Post by tuum on Jan 27, 2019 3:21:00 GMT
A mate just made an excellent point earlier. Ryan is a legend for us, but he's tainted it with his lack of leadership this last few seasons. A vince overson would have slapped clucas for shushing the fans after he scored. There have been a lot of cunts in our dressing room in recent times who need to be kept in line, and told what is expected. On the pitch, players need to be called out when they aren't giving everything. But, in fact Ryan has fallen in with those useless cunts and has even shushed the fans himself. He's got it very wrong and needs to move on along with 10-12 others He showed leadership by taking the ball off Etebo & giving it to Clucas for the oenalty. I, for one, was pleased to see that. It's a shame Clucas fucked it up but at least we now look to have some idea of responsibilities. One of the small improvements that we seem to have made under Jones' leadership.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jan 27, 2019 5:07:29 GMT
Since the removal of Huth from the centre of defence who has Shawcross had as a central partner, from the list how many have overshadowed/out performed Shawcross consistently, not forgetting the time when he obviously struggled with injury?
Wollschied? Wimmer? Zouma? Indi? Williams?
If central defence “has been/is” considered an area that needs strengthening since Whelan was dispatched who have we had that has filled his shoes as a defensive midfield player or been a significant improvement in that role?
As we all know teams need to defend as a unit. By that I’m turning my attention/thinking about the full/wing back position. How many players have we used particularly in the right full/wing back that have been consistent, especially in their defensive duties? The same can be asked about the left hand side but to a lesser extent.
It’s interesting when you put names to each of the above, perhaps and just perhaps a different picture may become clearer and wider consideration given to why Shawcross may at times look as though he’s struggling as the most central defender.
Just some thoughts.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2019 5:14:49 GMT
A mate just made an excellent point earlier. Ryan is a legend for us, but he's tainted it with his lack of leadership this last few seasons. A vince overson would have slapped clucas for shushing the fans after he scored. There have been a lot of cunts in our dressing room in recent times who need to be kept in line, and told what is expected. On the pitch, players need to be called out when they aren't giving everything. But, in fact Ryan has fallen in with those useless cunts and has even shushed the fans himself. He's got it very wrong and needs to move on along with 10-12 others He showed leadership by taking the ball off Etebo & giving it to Clucas for the oenalty. I, for one, was pleased to see that. It's a shame Clucas fucked it up but at least we now look to have some idea of responsibilities. One of the small improvements that we seem to have made under Jones' leadership. Sorry but it's not enough and Ryan has not been a leader this last few years. And he's one of many who needs to go asap if this club is going to turn things around
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Post by Pugsley on Jan 27, 2019 8:44:32 GMT
A mate just made an excellent point earlier. Ryan is a legend for us, but he's tainted it with his lack of leadership this last few seasons. A vince overson would have slapped clucas for shushing the fans after he scored. There have been a lot of cunts in our dressing room in recent times who need to be kept in line, and told what is expected. On the pitch, players need to be called out when they aren't giving everything. But, in fact Ryan has fallen in with those useless cunts and has even shushed the fans himself. He's got it very wrong and needs to move on along with 10-12 others He showed leadership by taking the ball off Etebo & giving it to Clucas for the oenalty. I, for one, was pleased to see that. It's a shame Clucas fucked it up but at least we now look to have some idea of responsibilities. One of the small improvements that we seem to have made under Jones' leadership. It was a bad decision all round, not only in hindsight. The way he did it belittled a young player and heaped pressure on another. Formality that Clucas missed it.
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Shawcross
Jan 27, 2019 8:56:50 GMT
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Post by Fred Merger on Jan 27, 2019 8:56:50 GMT
How about that chronic backpass that nearly cost us a goal early on? Did it cost a goal- fancy having a user name of a bloke who plays like he has no feet! Well he is our top scorer the best of a poor bunch!
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Post by tuum on Jan 27, 2019 9:34:28 GMT
He showed leadership by taking the ball off Etebo & giving it to Clucas for the oenalty. I, for one, was pleased to see that. It's a shame Clucas fucked it up but at least we now look to have some idea of responsibilities. One of the small improvements that we seem to have made under Jones' leadership. It was a bad decision all round, not only in hindsight. The way he did it belittled a young player and heaped pressure on another. Formality that Clucas missed it. If you have an agreed penalty taker and then someone decides to ignore that agreement then I have no sympathy for the person seeking to change that decision. To quote one of the big bosses where I work, there is no 'i' in team. Etebo was responsible for his own belittling. I have no sympathy for him. Both he and Clucas are grown ups. They will get over it. All of the above is predicated on the assumption that Clucas was the agreed penalty taker. If not, then it was unnecessary for Shawcross to act as he did.
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Shawcross
Jan 27, 2019 9:34:41 GMT
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Post by jarvinski on Jan 27, 2019 9:34:41 GMT
I wonder what Williams thinks of Shawcross
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Post by potterpaul on Jan 27, 2019 9:41:22 GMT
Since the removal of Huth from the centre of defence who has Shawcross had as a central partner, from the list how many have overshadowed/out performed Shawcross consistently, not forgetting the time when he obviously struggled with injury? Wollschied? Wimmer? Zouma? Indi? Williams? If central defence “has been/is” considered an area that needs strengthening since Whelan was dispatched who have we had that has filled his shoes as a defensive midfield player or been a significant improvement in that role? As we all know teams need to defend as a unit. By that I’m turning my attention/thinking about the full/wing back position. How many players have we used particularly in the right full/wing back that have been consistent, especially in their defensive duties? The same can be asked about the left hand side but to a lesser extent. It’s interesting when you put names to each of the above, perhaps and just perhaps a different picture may become clearer and wider consideration given to why Shawcross may at times look as though he’s struggling as the most central defender. Just some thoughts. He doesn't "look" as though he is struggling. He IS struggling.......it happens except it
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jan 27, 2019 9:47:04 GMT
I wonder what Williams thinks of Shawcross I wonder what Shawcross thinks of Williams?
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jan 27, 2019 9:58:02 GMT
Since the removal of Huth from the centre of defence who has Shawcross had as a central partner, from the list how many have overshadowed/out performed Shawcross consistently, not forgetting the time when he obviously struggled with injury? Wollschied? Wimmer? Zouma? Indi? Williams? If central defence “has been/is” considered an area that needs strengthening since Whelan was dispatched who have we had that has filled his shoes as a defensive midfield player or been a significant improvement in that role? As we all know teams need to defend as a unit. By that I’m turning my attention/thinking about the full/wing back position. How many players have we used particularly in the right full/wing back that have been consistent, especially in their defensive duties? The same can be asked about the left hand side but to a lesser extent. It’s interesting when you put names to each of the above, perhaps and just perhaps a different picture may become clearer and wider consideration given to why Shawcross may at times look as though he’s struggling as the most central defender. Just some thoughts. He doesn't "look" as though he is struggling. He IS struggling.......it happens except it He certainly didn’t struggle against Leeds nor did he yesterday
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 27, 2019 10:05:59 GMT
I wonder what Williams thinks of Shawcross I wonder what Shawcross thinks of Williams? I know what I think of Williams and whilst I accept Shawcross' performances haven't been the best I'd take him over Williams AND Indi any day of the week. That's not to say I don't think Shawcross needs replacing it's just that he's not one of my top five worries with Stoke at the moment.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 27, 2019 10:07:43 GMT
Since the removal of Huth from the centre of defence who has Shawcross had as a central partner, from the list how many have overshadowed/out performed Shawcross consistently, not forgetting the time when he obviously struggled with injury? Wollschied? Wimmer? Zouma? Indi? Williams? If central defence “has been/is” considered an area that needs strengthening since Whelan was dispatched who have we had that has filled his shoes as a defensive midfield player or been a significant improvement in that role? As we all know teams need to defend as a unit. By that I’m turning my attention/thinking about the full/wing back position. How many players have we used particularly in the right full/wing back that have been consistent, especially in their defensive duties? The same can be asked about the left hand side but to a lesser extent. It’s interesting when you put names to each of the above, perhaps and just perhaps a different picture may become clearer and wider consideration given to why Shawcross may at times look as though he’s struggling as the most central defender. Just some thoughts. He doesn't "look" as though he is struggling. He IS struggling.......it happens except it Accept I don't except it. ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/0m0lbCuTEBzaRn6f8QaM.gif)
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Post by ravey123 on Jan 27, 2019 10:27:54 GMT
It was a bad decision all round, not only in hindsight. The way he did it belittled a young player and heaped pressure on another. Formality that Clucas missed it. If you have an agreed penalty taker and then someone decides to ignore that agreement then I have no sympathy for the person seeking to change that decision. To quote one of the big bosses where I work, there is no 'i' in team. Etebo was responsible for his own belittling. I have no sympathy for him. Both he and Clucas are grown ups. They will get over it. All of the above is predicated on the assumption that Clucas was the agreed penalty taker. If not, then it was unnecessary for Shawcross to act as he did. Jones was asked about this in his interview and he said there was a board in the dressing room which listed the priority of penalty takers. Clucas was the highest on that list who was still on the pitch so Ryan did what a captain is supposed to do and stopped it turning into another Jesse moment. The fact it was a shit penalty is pretty irrelevant. At least it shows some organisation from the manager. What we desperately need is a captain who shows some steel with his words during the whole 90 minutes
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Post by mks1958 on Jan 28, 2019 20:34:00 GMT
He took the ball off Etebo on the orders of the manager and he was certainly much better than Williams and Bruno
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Post by adi on Jan 28, 2019 21:15:03 GMT
I’d like a new back 4... the current crop have massively helped relegate us and are a huge plus art of why we are languishing now....
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 28, 2019 21:16:12 GMT
I’d like a new back 4... the current crop have massively helped relegate us and are a huge plus art of why we are languishing now.... Spot on, they all need to be gone, but I don't mind Williams too much if I'm honest ![:-X](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/84w9NwSsj6YY9VWeECaY.gif)
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Post by mks1958 on Jan 28, 2019 21:17:41 GMT
I’d like a new back 4... the current crop have massively helped relegate us and are a huge plus art of why we are languishing now.... Spot on, they all need to be gone, but I don't mind Williams too much if I'm honest ![:-X](//storage.proboards.com/800541/images/84w9NwSsj6YY9VWeECaY.gif) Williams is the worst of the lot
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