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Post by chuckrocky on Jan 26, 2019 18:53:41 GMT
Nice of him to finally show some bollocks with the penalty incident. Where has that leadership and authority been over the last couple of years though?
He was excellent defending set pieces for us today but I don’t think he won a header in open play against their striker.
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Jan 26, 2019 18:57:04 GMT
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Post by gingerninja on Jan 26, 2019 18:57:04 GMT
I reckon my 54 year old dad is a better and faster defender than Shawcross.
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Jan 26, 2019 18:57:21 GMT
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Post by gingerninja on Jan 26, 2019 18:57:21 GMT
I reckon my 54 year old dad is a better and faster defender than Shawcross.
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Post by bridgnorthstokie on Jan 26, 2019 19:00:12 GMT
He did nothing wrong today. Why do the knives come out whenever we lose? Were you watching today? Absolute joke of a defender and the way he took the ball of etebo was just plain out of order! Roll on at least two seasons when most of these overpaid fools leave! NJ said on radio stoke there is an order of who takes penalties and clucas was that man today. Shawcross as captain was making sure the team followed the managers instructions. The stick shawcross gets on here is plain out of order.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jan 26, 2019 19:08:27 GMT
I feel Shawcross has totally lost it , hes making himself looking silly I'm afraid Absolute tripe. Shawcross was one of only several players today who came out of the game with any form of dignity in his performance. ”making himself look silly” at fire that one back to yourself.
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Post by Fred Merger on Jan 26, 2019 19:44:57 GMT
He did nothing wrong today. Why do the knives come out whenever we lose? How about that chronic backpass that nearly cost us a goal early on?
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Post by rawli on Jan 26, 2019 19:49:33 GMT
Ryan is not the worst centre back we have at the club. In fact he's not in the bottom 2. That's not exactly a ringing endorsement. Poor player now and poor captain.
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Post by Edward Tattsyrup on Jan 26, 2019 19:53:19 GMT
Ryan is not the worst centre back we have at the club. In fact he's not in the bottom 2. That's not exactly a ringing endorsement. Poor player now and poor captain. Correct. But it's the same thread every week, when the rest of the defensive unit have been equally if not worse. A young mobile centre half next to Ryan and we would see a completely different payer.
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Jan 26, 2019 20:01:09 GMT
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Post by rorystowel on Jan 26, 2019 20:01:09 GMT
I thought Ryan was commanding in the air at corners, but my god is he slow. He’s still running across the pitch now trying to block their second goal.
And don’t get me started on his lack of leadership on the pitch.
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Post by scfc5 on Jan 26, 2019 20:17:27 GMT
I thought Ryan was commanding in the air at corners, but my god is he slow. He’s still running across the pitch now trying to block their second goal. And don’t get me started on his lack of leadership on the pitch. The lack of leadership when he took the ball from Etebo to follow the manager’s orders?!! I dislike this “lack of leadership” point. It’s so easy to throw around the accusation but impossible to evidence because we’re not at pitch level listening. 5 managers would not have kept him as captain if he was such a woeful skipper.
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Post by benjaminbiscuit on Jan 26, 2019 20:18:30 GMT
If people think Ryan was the issue today then either
1 They were watching blindfold 2 They have an alternative agenda 3 They have never been to a football match before 4 They are a member of our transfer team
Or possibly all four
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 26, 2019 20:18:54 GMT
I feel Shawcross has totally lost it , hes making himself looking silly I'm afraid He lost it some time ago, its just a countdown until he retires now.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Jan 26, 2019 20:46:28 GMT
Everything you've all said on here tonight is correct. Ryan is simply nowhere near the player he once was, but he looked like Franz Bloody Beckenbauer today compared to Martins Indi and Williams. They are without doubt utterly shit. At least Shawcross stands strong and can head the ball the other two are weak as piss, slow, can't pass, can't head, CAN'T HEAD!!! They're centre halves for fucks sake. I'm with Benji all the way. Anyone who thinks Shawcross is even in the top 3 problems after today needs sectioning.
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Post by onefatcopper on Jan 26, 2019 20:46:46 GMT
I thought Ryan was commanding in the air at corners, but my god is he slow. He’s still running across the pitch now trying to block their second goal. And don’t get me started on his lack of leadership on the pitch. The lack of leadership when he took the ball from Etebo to follow the manager’s orders?!! I dislike this “lack of leadership” point. It’s so easy to throw around the accusation but impossible to evidence because we’re not at pitch level listening. 5 managers would not have kept him as captain if he was such a woeful skipper. Four out of those five managers have paid with their jobs for there poor decision making, is it possible that by selecting Ryan for the team and retaining him as the captain, is a common mistake that contributed to this quartets demise ? Watching Ryan is like watching a once great champion boxer that’s taken one fight to many ! The younger and hungrier fighter has finally arrived and the champ is taking a terrible hiding, he won’t stay down because he’s got to much pride but his corner should throw in the towel ? I’d like to remember Ryan as the player,Captain and legend that he was and is, and not like some Punch drunk shambling wreck .
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Jan 26, 2019 20:50:33 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 20:50:33 GMT
The lack of leadership when he took the ball from Etebo to follow the manager’s orders?!! I dislike this “lack of leadership” point. It’s so easy to throw around the accusation but impossible to evidence because we’re not at pitch level listening. 5 managers would not have kept him as captain if he was such a woeful skipper. Four out of those five managers have paid with their jobs for there poor decision making, is it possible that by selecting Ryan for the team and retaining him as the captain, is a common mistake that contributed to this quartets demise ? Watching Ryan is like watching a once great champion boxer that’s taken one fight to many ! The younger and hungrier fighter has finally arrived and the champ is taking a terrible hiding, he won’t stay down because he’s got to much pride but his corner should throw in the towel ? I’d like to remember Ryan as the player,Captain and legend that he was and is, and not like some Punch drunk shambling wreck . Maybe it as more to do with keeping Joe Allen in the side why managers have lost Thier jobs!
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Jan 26, 2019 20:50:53 GMT
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Post by stokefan1972 on Jan 26, 2019 20:50:53 GMT
Shawcross is embarrassing stumbled around and even cleared one of our corners
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jan 26, 2019 20:51:44 GMT
The lack of leadership when he took the ball from Etebo to follow the manager’s orders?!! I dislike this “lack of leadership” point. It’s so easy to throw around the accusation but impossible to evidence because we’re not at pitch level listening. 5 managers would not have kept him as captain if he was such a woeful skipper. Four out of those five managers have paid with their jobs for there poor decision making, is it possible that by selecting Ryan for the team and retaining him as the captain, is a common mistake that contributed to this quartets demise ? Watching Ryan is like watching a once great champion boxer that’s taken one fight to many ! The younger and hungrier fighter has finally arrived and the champ is taking a terrible hiding, he won’t stay down because he’s got to much pride but his corner should throw in the towel ? I’d like to remember Ryan as the player,Captain and legend that he was and is, and not like some Punch drunk shambling wreck . Is it perhaps that “four out of those five managers” are quite knowledgable about football and recognise his value. Just a thought By the way who is the manager who is playing odd one out
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jan 26, 2019 20:52:40 GMT
Shawcross is embarrassing stumbled around and even cleared one of our corners Wind up merchant or fool for posting such shite
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 20:52:46 GMT
Shawcross was the least of our worries today.....
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 26, 2019 20:53:23 GMT
Four out of those five managers have paid with their jobs for there poor decision making, is it possible that by selecting Ryan for the team and retaining him as the captain, is a common mistake that contributed to this quartets demise ? Watching Ryan is like watching a once great champion boxer that’s taken one fight to many ! The younger and hungrier fighter has finally arrived and the champ is taking a terrible hiding, he won’t stay down because he’s got to much pride but his corner should throw in the towel ? I’d like to remember Ryan as the player,Captain and legend that he was and is, and not like some Punch drunk shambling wreck . Is it perhaps that “four out of those five managers” are quite knowledgable about football and recognise his value. Just a thought By the way who is the manager who is playing odd one out Rowett had a go at dropping him until injury seemed to bring him back.
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Jan 26, 2019 20:55:16 GMT
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Post by rorystowel on Jan 26, 2019 20:55:16 GMT
I thought Ryan was commanding in the air at corners, but my god is he slow. He’s still running across the pitch now trying to block their second goal. And don’t get me started on his lack of leadership on the pitch. The lack of leadership when he took the ball from Etebo to follow the manager’s orders?!! I dislike this “lack of leadership” point. It’s so easy to throw around the accusation but impossible to evidence because we’re not at pitch level listening. 5 managers would not have kept him as captain if he was such a woeful skipper. I’m not just talking about today’s lacklustre shit show. There’s been little or no motivation on the pitch for the past 18 months and as the everpresent captain, he has to shoulder some of that responsibility.
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Jan 26, 2019 20:56:45 GMT
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Post by scfcno1fan on Jan 26, 2019 20:56:45 GMT
Shawcross was the least of our worries today..... He was pretty poor though.
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Post by owdestokie2 on Jan 26, 2019 20:57:09 GMT
Is it perhaps that “four out of those five managers” are quite knowledgable about football and recognise his value. Just a thought By the way who is the manager who is playing odd one out Rowett had a go at dropping him until injury seemed to bring him back. “Had a go” but Shawcross keeps going. Immense last week and a good game today
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Post by stokefan1972 on Jan 26, 2019 20:58:15 GMT
He did clear one of our corners then Preston went on to score straight away did you watch the game,?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2019 21:00:20 GMT
Shawcross was the least of our worries today..... He was pretty poor though. They we all poor. I'd give Etebo a 6, Shawcross and Butland 5 and the rest 4......
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Jan 26, 2019 21:00:27 GMT
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Post by stokefan1972 on Jan 26, 2019 21:00:27 GMT
Owdstokie did you watch the game ? Calling people a wind up merchant? You know it's true
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Jan 26, 2019 21:02:21 GMT
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Post by stokefan1972 on Jan 26, 2019 21:02:21 GMT
I feel Shawcross has totally lost it , hes making himself looking silly I'm afraid Absolute tripe. Shawcross was one of only several players today who came out of the game with any form of dignity in his performance. ”making himself look silly” at fire that one back to yourself. owdstokie 2 you are blind
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Post by loosestools on Jan 26, 2019 21:08:46 GMT
To relieve him of the captaincy would say to him - 'you are finished' Do I think he is the best person to be captain - no. but- who else? Does the Captaincy position belong to a player whe have on our books - name a leader, who understands what is required - tactics wise!! Its OK him taking control of who takes the penalty but that is schoolboy stuff. Its a shambles so what does the manager do?.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jan 26, 2019 21:27:04 GMT
Rowett had a go at dropping him until injury seemed to bring him back. “Had a go” but Shawcross keeps going. Immense last week and a good game today There's no one else, lets say it how it is, if we had a competent defender in the squad he wouldn't get a look in, its a shame but it is what it is, played a big part in our rise to the Prem and staying there and just as big a part in our fall from it.
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Post by onefatcopper on Jan 26, 2019 21:29:18 GMT
Four out of those five managers have paid with their jobs for there poor decision making, is it possible that by selecting Ryan for the team and retaining him as the captain, is a common mistake that contributed to this quartets demise ? Watching Ryan is like watching a once great champion boxer that’s taken one fight to many ! The younger and hungrier fighter has finally arrived and the champ is taking a terrible hiding, he won’t stay down because he’s got to much pride but his corner should throw in the towel ? I’d like to remember Ryan as the player,Captain and legend that he was and is, and not like some Punch drunk shambling wreck . Maybe it as more to do with keeping Joe Allen in the side why managers have lost Thier jobs! You’ve got to admit that since Joe arrived things have gone pear shaped, I always thought he was Hughes’s transfer gift to the fans, just to show that we could compete with the teams in the second tier of the Premier League. But no thought or reason was put into how or where to play Joe, and I still think that problem still exists today.
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