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Post by salopstick on Nov 2, 2020 13:59:12 GMT
That's normal at this stage in an election isn't it? I would say it is but Bidens done the square root of piss all in the campaign and with the polls apparently as they are I just find it strange that all of a sudden he’s on the pep pills and is wheeling out bomb it Obama at the last minute There are a lot more trump voters than the polls suggest. A trump supporter is less likely to admit voting for trump than a Biden supporter. God knows what will happen tomorrow but polls are often media driven. There is a poll out there that shows trump is in for an electoral college landslide. The same polling company that against media speculation got 2016 and Brexit correct. To say it’s over now could be a mistake. If trump wins it will be hilarious watching the democrats and the 95% democrat favouring media lose their shit.
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 2, 2020 14:00:24 GMT
The flag isn't even that big. I wonder where Trump supporters get the idea of exaggerating the size of something?
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 2, 2020 14:02:11 GMT
I would say it is but Bidens done the square root of piss all in the campaign and with the polls apparently as they are I just find it strange that all of a sudden he’s on the pep pills and is wheeling out bomb it Obama at the last minute There are a lot more trump voters than the polls suggest. A trump supporter is less likely to admit voting for trump than a Biden supporter. God knows what will happen tomorrow but polls are often media driven. There is a poll out there that shows trump is in for an electoral college landslide. The same polling company that against media speculation got 2016 and Brexit correct. To say it’s over now could be a mistake. If trump wins it will be hilarious watching the democrats and the 95% democrat favouring media lose their shit. Which polling company is this?
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Post by mattyd2 on Nov 2, 2020 14:11:02 GMT
If Biden wins does Trump lose all exec powers between now and inauguration day. 2 Months is a long time for that nut job to do summat daft. And I still believe that The Grim Reaper will have a lot to contribute between now and Jan 20th, when it will be either an inauguration or recitation. Personally cant see either of them lasting till then, both look absolutely knackered...
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 2, 2020 14:11:24 GMT
Strikes me there are a fair few right-wingers on here who are quite keen for Trump to win, but just can't quite bring themselves to say it openly!
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 2, 2020 14:15:25 GMT
Strikes me there are a fair few right-wingers on here who are quite keen for Trump to win, but just can't quite bring themselves to say it openly! I couldn’t give a flying fuck which one wins there much of the same the USA is truly screwed either way And they only have themselves to blame
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Post by noustie on Nov 2, 2020 14:22:28 GMT
It's a proper head scratcher. If the pollsters have adjusted their methods and are more accurate this time around, Biden could win by a landslide. However, Trump is still very much in the election and could rattle up another comfortable electoral college victory. The majority of left wing commentators appear to accept it's closer than the polls are suggesting so who knows. Watched the Jordan documentary and he got pelters for not backing Harvey Gantt vs Jesse Helms in 1990. Gantt, bidding to be the first black senator, was ahead in the polls up until the week before. Helms released this campaign video which led to Helms winning by 53% - 47% despite being pro-segregation and instrumental in banning HIV suffers from travelling to or from US: Then in 1996 in the rematch Helms won again by about the same margin. What is interesting though is that the number of folk voting increased by 25%. Given the turnout seems to hover around 50-55% for presidential elections in recent history (even Obama only increased that to 58%) wouldn't be surprised if the folk the Democrats manage to convince to vote are matched by those the Republicans drum up to keep them out. It's going to be a massive cluster fuck if Trump wins on the night but loses once the postal vote is counted as is a likely possibility.
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Post by salopstick on Nov 2, 2020 14:35:07 GMT
There are a lot more trump voters than the polls suggest. A trump supporter is less likely to admit voting for trump than a Biden supporter. God knows what will happen tomorrow but polls are often media driven. There is a poll out there that shows trump is in for an electoral college landslide. The same polling company that against media speculation got 2016 and Brexit correct. To say it’s over now could be a mistake. If trump wins it will be hilarious watching the democrats and the 95% democrat favouring media lose their shit. Which polling company is this? www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/jimrossi/2020/10/13/only-one-poll-shows-trump-leading-i-interviewed-the-polls-director/amp/I know it’s the express but they are really one of the only British media outlets using the poll www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/news/world/1354506/us-election-2020-donald-trump-win-poll-democracy-institute-joe-biden-swing-states/ampThis company polls likely voters as well as registered voters but also uses trends So for example 60% of new gun owners are black. 40% of new gun owners are female. Gun owners are more likely to vote republican so this could suggest an increased black republican vote. I do get nothing is perfect but my point is it would be wrong to start celebrating the end of trump. But also dont be surprised if he wins. The Jonathon Pie video I posted on the previous page is pretty accurate too
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 2, 2020 14:43:00 GMT
Cheers - I hadn't seen that one. I agree it aint over until it's over. Pie's videos are good, but I disagreed with him on this one. From stuff I've read, most people are not taking anything for granted this time around - one article I read had the headline "I assume Trump will win, but these last few days I'm beginning to have doubts" and it was written by someone who was very much anti-Trump. I think most people, particularly people who don't want Trump to win, are treading carefully.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 2, 2020 15:54:35 GMT
Strikes me there are a fair few right-wingers on here who are quite keen for Trump to win, but just can't quite bring themselves to say it openly! I couldn’t give a flying fuck which one wins there much of the same the USA is truly screwed either way And they only have themselves to blame In what way, waga?
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Post by thisisouryear on Nov 2, 2020 17:29:33 GMT
The flag isn't even that big. I wonder where Trump supporters get the idea of exaggerating the size of something? Don't know if you looked at the whole thread but there was a black car which drove straight into a white car to purposely bump it out of the way. The bloke involved is like a Trump extremist.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Nov 2, 2020 18:45:18 GMT
I know of an anti Trumper that's just bought an assault rifle and I get the feeling that there are more Dems than usual that are buying guns right now, so it would not surprise me if following gun sales is flawed this time. I've also been told that it's something of a myth that Dems don't do guns.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Nov 2, 2020 18:49:37 GMT
You do wonder how the Trump supporters might react if he loses...
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Post by heworksardtho on Nov 2, 2020 18:54:54 GMT
Trump 74 Biden 78 , one geriatric as president and now a fossil could be president, what’s the world coming to
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Post by Mason_Stokie on Nov 2, 2020 19:12:01 GMT
Over here in the US they are very keen on putting signs in their front gardens showing support for Trump / Biden. One thing I've noticed in the last couple of weeks is on the estate that I live in suburban Ohio in the last election there was 1 Clinton sign in the 250 odd house estate, and that kept getting vandalized. This time around there are nearly as many 'Biden' signs as 'Trump'.
Driving around the area and the same can be said. Trump signs do outnumber Biden, but there are far, far more Biden ones about.
Hopefully a good sign..
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 2, 2020 19:33:02 GMT
You do wonder how the Trump supporters might react if he loses... I think it will depend on how close it is The worst thing that could happen is trump wins on the day and then loses after postal votes are counted Then there is a future spanner in the works if Biden wins comfortably and then fails to last his term which is at least a fifty fifty chance I cannot see certain trump voters accepting Harris in any form
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Post by The man from Utch on Nov 2, 2020 20:28:15 GMT
You do wonder how the Trump supporters might react if he loses... For the best part the same way they did when Obama was elected. Businesses are boarding up in Democrat run cities where we have been witnessing all the lawlessness in the likelihood of a Trump win.
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Post by thisisouryear on Nov 2, 2020 22:30:25 GMT
I watched some of Trump's rally in Pennsylvania and the crowd was huge but what a load of shit he comes out with. One minute he's calling the media fake news and within seconds he's going on about Hunter Biden making money which is apparently on a laptop somewhere and making out he's here there and everywhere making a load of money but where's his proof? I thought it was poor by him, just a hate speech dishing abuse out to Biden, Kamala and Hunter. The crowd were lapping it up but it looked boring as fuck.
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Post by murphthesurf on Nov 2, 2020 23:26:28 GMT
I watched some of Trump's rally in Pennsylvania and the crowd was huge but what a load of shit he comes out with. One minute he's calling the media fake news and within seconds he's going on about Hunter Biden making money which is apparently on a laptop somewhere and making out he's here there and everywhere making a load of money but where's his proof? I thought it was poor by him, just a hate speech dishing abuse out to Biden, Kamala and Hunter. The crowd were lapping it up but it looked boring as fuck. Agreed. Trump's dishonesty and cheap, in-the-gutter behaviour is mind-boggling - he knows no shame. Wouldn't surprise me at all if the actual 'final' result isn't known for a week or more, and if things don't go Trump's way I can see him claiming the figures were falsified or something of that ilk and demanding recounts wherever he could wangle them - it also wouldn't surprise me if he cooked up some sort of 'legal' challenge to the result if the election goes Biden's way. Let's face it, Trump's brass-necked enough and sufficiently round the bend to try anything he can.
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Post by thisisouryear on Nov 2, 2020 23:30:55 GMT
I watched some of Trump's rally in Pennsylvania and the crowd was huge but what a load of shit he comes out with. One minute he's calling the media fake news and within seconds he's going on about Hunter Biden making money which is apparently on a laptop somewhere and making out he's here there and everywhere making a load of money but where's his proof? I thought it was poor by him, just a hate speech dishing abuse out to Biden, Kamala and Hunter. The crowd were lapping it up but it looked boring as fuck. Agreed. Trump's dishonesty and cheap, in-the-gutter behaviour is mind-boggling - he knows no shame. Wouldn't surprise me at all if the actual 'final' result isn't known for a week or more, and if things don't go Trump's way I can see him claiming the figures were falsified or something of that ilk and demanding recounts wherever he could wangle them - it also wouldn't surprise me if he cooked up some sort of 'legal' challenge to the result if the election goes Biden's way. Let's face it, Trump's brass-necked enough and sufficiently round the bend to try anything he can. If anyone rigs the election it's Trump. He even accused people from Pennsylvania of cheating in elections and still he had no proof. He's a con man with the gift of the gab.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Nov 2, 2020 23:41:16 GMT
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Post by thisisouryear on Nov 2, 2020 23:45:41 GMT
One of the funny things watching a news stream on YouTube on Trump's rally was that there was an ad for people watching to get 10% off an iTarget gun which is a gun with a laser on for better shooting.
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Post by metalhead on Nov 2, 2020 23:49:08 GMT
Strikes me there are a fair few right-wingers on here who are quite keen for Trump to win, but just can't quite bring themselves to say it openly! I don't personally want Trump to win, but the way you write that makes me pretty uncomfortable. Donald Trump was democratically elected once. He is a legitimate political choice, whether you agree with his bullshit rhetoric or not. There is nothing inherently wrong with being a Trump supporter. It doesn't make you a racist, or a stupid prick or anything else the McGuardian would have you believe. I find it astounding that it's basically become acceptable to intimidate Donald Trump supporters for 'wrong-think'. What the fuck? Seriously. He may be an obnoxious and unlikable fuckstick but I'm amazed at the kind of shit that seems to fly for welcome behaviour. That shit is slowly making it's way over to this country. Do we actually want that? Again, Labour voter for life but the fact it's basically become OK to rough up Tories for voting for the wrong party is fucking unacceptable.
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Post by murphthesurf on Nov 2, 2020 23:56:45 GMT
Agreed. Trump's dishonesty and cheap, in-the-gutter behaviour is mind-boggling - he knows no shame. Wouldn't surprise me at all if the actual 'final' result isn't known for a week or more, and if things don't go Trump's way I can see him claiming the figures were falsified or something of that ilk and demanding recounts wherever he could wangle them - it also wouldn't surprise me if he cooked up some sort of 'legal' challenge to the result if the election goes Biden's way. Let's face it, Trump's brass-necked enough and sufficiently round the bend to try anything he can. If anyone rigs the election it's Trump. He even accused people from Pennsylvania of cheating in elections and still he had no proof. He's a con man with the gift of the gab. Oh, absolutely! A snake-oil salesman of the highest - or lowest - order!
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 3, 2020 6:29:54 GMT
There is only one way to stop electoral fraud and that is to stop postal votes
If you’re to Disabled or to unwell to vote in person than a election official should be contacted well in advance and comes and collects your vote
If you want to vote get off your arse
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Post by mtrstudent on Nov 3, 2020 6:45:43 GMT
Fivethirtyeight's final forecast. They're the most sensible seeming projections to me and they give 89% for Biden, 10% Trump, 1% rounding error + chance of an electoral college tie. Problem is that this election is nutty with so many early votes etc so maybe all the old techniques will break down.
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 3, 2020 7:57:32 GMT
You do wonder how the Trump supporters might react if he loses... I think it will depend on how close it is The worst thing that could happen is trump wins on the day and then loses after postal votes are counted Then there is a future spanner in the works if Biden wins comfortably and then fails to last his term which is at least a fifty fifty chance I cannot see certain trump voters accepting Harris in any form Because Harris is a black woman, two of the things Trump and his supporters hate above anything else.
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 3, 2020 7:59:56 GMT
Strikes me there are a fair few right-wingers on here who are quite keen for Trump to win, but just can't quite bring themselves to say it openly! I don't personally want Trump to win, but the way you write that makes me pretty uncomfortable. Donald Trump was democratically elected once. He is a legitimate political choice, whether you agree with his bullshit rhetoric or not. There is nothing inherently wrong with being a Trump supporter. It doesn't make you a racist, or a stupid prick or anything else the McGuardian would have you believe. I find it astounding that it's basically become acceptable to intimidate Donald Trump supporters for 'wrong-think'. What the fuck? Seriously. He may be an obnoxious and unlikable fuckstick but I'm amazed at the kind of shit that seems to fly for welcome behaviour. That shit is slowly making it's way over to this country. Do we actually want that? Again, Labour voter for life but the fact it's basically become OK to rough up Tories for voting for the wrong party is fucking unacceptable. This shit is already in this country. Populism. Farage and Johnson are the cause. We need to start having an electoral system where you vote for policies. Personality should be completely irrelevant.
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Post by wagsastokie on Nov 3, 2020 8:04:46 GMT
I think it will depend on how close it is The worst thing that could happen is trump wins on the day and then loses after postal votes are counted Then there is a future spanner in the works if Biden wins comfortably and then fails to last his term which is at least a fifty fifty chance I cannot see certain trump voters accepting Harris in any form Because Harris is a black woman, two of the things Trump and his supporters hate above anything else. Oh dear I was thinking it could be something to do with the fact she’s a raging communist in some people’s eyes But if you want to lower the conversation by bringing colour into by all means that is your right
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Post by oggyoggy on Nov 3, 2020 8:10:23 GMT
Because Harris is a black woman, two of the things Trump and his supporters hate above anything else. Oh dear I was thinking it could be something to do with the fact she’s a raging communist in some people’s eyes But if you want to lower the conversation by bringing colour into by all means that is your right Yes because America (specifically the far right) are known for seeing beyond colour. They have had how many women presidents/vice-presidents? How many female supreme court justices? How many of each who are not white? They are all about equality! Anyone who is not Republican is called a raving communist by Trump. Harris isn’t even close to a communist, even less so Biden.
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