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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Jan 17, 2019 11:09:05 GMT
I couldn't sleep last night, so I was just lying in bed looking at the ceiling thinking about Stoke, because I'm a sad bastard.
I was thinking about the mess we've gotten ourselves into, and how to get out of it and out of nowhere I just thought - I bet NJ is up doing exactly the same thing.
He just strikes me as that kind of guy, after listening to interviews etc I just get the impression that he will be undeniable in the pursuit of his goals.
For some reason, I didn't get that feeling with GR.
I just have a hunch we're onto something good here, given the backing of the board and the fans - I think we can really build something here and see some really good football.
It's going to be a long ride, but I feel we've got the right man at the wheel.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 11:13:24 GMT
I couldn't sleep last night, so I was just lying in bed looking at the ceiling thinking about Stoke, because I'm a sad bastard. I was thinking about the mess we've gotten ourselves into, and how to get out of it and out of nowhere I just thought - I bet NJ is up doing exactly the same thing. He just strikes me as that kind of guy, after listening to interviews etc I just get the impression that he will be undeniable in the pursuit of his goals. For some reason, I didn't get that feeling with GR. I just have a hunch we're onto something good here, given the backing of the board and the fans - I think we can really build something here and see some really good football. It's going to be a long ride, but I feel we've got the right man at the wheel. I heard the gave them a right bollocking on Wednesday. I feel he won't suffer fools gladly. I also get the impression he has a very high work ethic. One thing I find interesting is that any time anyone talked about Hughes, Rowett or Lambert they were a "manager" when other people who have worked with him have spoken about him they refer to him as a "coach"...I know it could be used interchangeably but and using the word "coach" is a bit more modern but just something I've noticed
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Post by knype on Jan 17, 2019 11:13:33 GMT
I couldn't sleep last night, so I was just lying in bed looking at the ceiling thinking about Stoke, because I'm a sad bastard. I was thinking about the mess we've gotten ourselves into, and how to get out of it and out of nowhere I just thought - I bet NJ is up doing exactly the same thing. He just strikes me as that kind of guy, after listening to interviews etc I just get the impression that he will be undeniable in the pursuit of his goals. For some reason, I didn't get that feeling with GR. I just have a hunch we're onto something good here, given the backing of the board and the fans - I think we can really build something here and see some really good football. It's going to be a long ride, but I feel we've got the right man at the wheel. JVD, I feel the same mate, given time, money and no small amount of luck I think we will be better off for it!
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jan 17, 2019 11:15:16 GMT
I've tried but it always ends up sounding like a subcontinent accent! NJ will be fine and probably move on to bigger and better things within 3 years. I also have the feeling if what he wants or was promised doesn't happen he would walk!
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Post by onefatcopper on Jan 17, 2019 11:35:39 GMT
I've tried but it always ends up sounding like a subcontinent accent! NJ will be fine and probably move on to bigger and better things within 3 years. I also have the feeling if what he wants or was promised doesn't happen he would walk! I’m getting a lot closer, I now sound like a cross between Worzel Gummidge & Max Boyce ! Nathan strikes me as a very honest person who lives and breathes football and will leave no stone unturned until he finds the solution.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 11:40:06 GMT
I couldn't sleep last night, so I was just lying in bed looking at the ceiling thinking about Stoke, because I'm a sad bastard. I was thinking about the mess we've gotten ourselves into, and how to get out of it and out of nowhere I just thought - I bet NJ is up doing exactly the same thing. He just strikes me as that kind of guy, after listening to interviews etc I just get the impression that he will be undeniable in the pursuit of his goals. For some reason, I didn't get that feeling with GR. I just have a hunch we're onto something good here, given the backing of the board and the fans - I think we can really build something here and see some really good football. It's going to be a long ride, but I feel we've got the right man at the wheel. I'm glad it's not just me that inspects the ceiling every night* whilst thinking about Stoke... Give it up though, it will send you mental. I'm testament to that. I agree with your initial opinions on NJ, although I'm hoping he gets some results soon to fend off any intial pressure that might come. *Only when we lose.
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Post by kerouac on Jan 17, 2019 11:41:38 GMT
I was so excited about his appointment and the direction he wants to take us but my god,he’s got his work cut out and he must have seen from the last two games the utter mess he’s been handed and wondering where to start. He wants a fast attacking and pressing game which is going to require youth,where are ours?That Leeds team is a factory of kids well up for it compared to Adam,Crouch etc.....where are we going to get these bright young things from?
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Post by nott1 on Jan 17, 2019 11:47:28 GMT
I was so excited about his appointment and the direction he wants to take us but my god,he’s got his work cut out and he must have seen from the last two games the utter mess he’s been handed and wondering where to start. He wants a fast attacking and pressing game which is going to require youth,where are ours?That Leeds team is a factory of kids well up for it compared to Adam,Crouch etc.....where are we going to get these bright young things from? Charlie likes pressing............on their toes.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 11:59:55 GMT
I couldn't sleep last night, so I was just lying in bed looking at the ceiling thinking about Stoke, because I'm a sad bastard. I was thinking about the mess we've gotten ourselves into, and how to get out of it and out of nowhere I just thought - I bet NJ is up doing exactly the same thing. He just strikes me as that kind of guy, after listening to interviews etc I just get the impression that he will be undeniable in the pursuit of his goals. For some reason, I didn't get that feeling with GR. I just have a hunch we're onto something good here, given the backing of the board and the fans - I think we can really build something here and see some really good football. It's going to be a long ride, but I feel we've got the right man at the wheel. Totally agree. I think most Stoke fans, including me, thought we would be in with a great chance of promotion this season. We soon found out that wasn't the case though. However, in NJ we have a different approach to our footballing philosophy. It's actually a bold statement by the clubs owners. I think they think they have their man now and will stick with NJ for at least 18 months whatever happens. We should all just get behind NJ now and hold on for the ride (instead of hoping for miracles and instant success). His record at Luton should earn him our respect, at least for the foreseeable future. I think he is starting out as he means to go on and if that means defeats and clinging on to Championship status then so be it. We have to rebuild, we have to be patient, we have to support the manager and hopefully good things will come.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 12:06:31 GMT
I was so excited about his appointment and the direction he wants to take us but my god,he’s got his work cut out and he must have seen from the last two games the utter mess he’s been handed and wondering where to start. He wants a fast attacking and pressing game which is going to require youth,where are ours?That Leeds team is a factory of kids well up for it compared to Adam,Crouch etc.....where are we going to get these bright young things from? I think there will be a massive clear out in the summer.
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Post by cousindupree on Jan 17, 2019 12:16:05 GMT
I am pretty much in a minority here in being a bit sceptical of whether he will succeed and reserving judgement on NJ for the time being. In the context of where we are as a club I think the board have made the right appointment. Even an expensive investment in the likes of Moyes and 10's of millions on players he would not have delivered promotion. I think along with the fans they have come to the conclusion that the players are just not up for it and can't handle the requirements of the Championship and a rebuild is necessary. Posters have been impressed with NJ's comments as indeed they were with GR. They are also seduced by his record of attacking play and after a year of Lambert and Rowett any semblance of attacking play will be a welcome relief. But he is inexperienced and tuesday showed a slightly concerning lack of smart game management. We had 5 players with very little game time and in Bauer and Adam have hardly kicked a ball this season. He really should have made subs on the hour to freshen up tired legs, he didn't and they ran through us. He seems like a chap who learns quickly...let's hope so.
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Post by Absolution on Jan 17, 2019 12:16:43 GMT
I was so excited about his appointment and the direction he wants to take us but my god,he’s got his work cut out and he must have seen from the last two games the utter mess he’s been handed and wondering where to start. He wants a fast attacking and pressing game which is going to require youth,where are ours?That Leeds team is a factory of kids well up for it compared to Adam,Crouch etc.....where are we going to get these bright young things from? I think there will be a massive clear out in the summer. We've needed clearouts to varying degrees for the past 3 or 4 years, but if there's one thing worse than the club's recruitment, it's their ability to get rid of players - the two are connected obviously. The problem of having rich owners and an unfashionable club is that we have the means and the need to offer over-the-odds wages to get them in. Once they're in and they turn out to be shit, they're here for the longhaul. Or until we extend their contracts.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 12:28:00 GMT
I think there will be a massive clear out in the summer. We've needed clearouts to varying degrees for the past 3 or 4 years, but if there's one thing worse than the club's recruitment, it's their ability to get rid of players - the two are connected obviously. The problem of having rich owners and an unfashionable club is that we have the means and the need to offer over-the-odds wages to get them in. Once they're in and they turn out to be shit, they're here for the longhaul. Or until we extend their contracts. That is a problem for sure. I think the structure of the team and players will look very different come August though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 12:54:26 GMT
I couldn't sleep last night, so I was just lying in bed looking at the ceiling thinking about Stoke, because I'm a sad bastard. I was thinking about the mess we've gotten ourselves into, and how to get out of it and out of nowhere I just thought - I bet NJ is up doing exactly the same thing. He just strikes me as that kind of guy, after listening to interviews etc I just get the impression that he will be undeniable in the pursuit of his goals. For some reason, I didn't get that feeling with GR. I just have a hunch we're onto something good here, given the backing of the board and the fans - I think we can really build something here and see some really good football. It's going to be a long ride, but I feel we've got the right man at the wheel. There's some obvious differences between the two. Rowett's a family man with four daughters, I believe. I think he has very little choice in the matter, when he walks through his door at home, there will be five females demanding his every attention, and we all know how relentless that sort of attention is. I'm not especially known as being an admirer of Rowett to say the least, but I think it's a good thing not to think about football round the clock. Jones is different. He's not even married, although he does have a fiancé, but she probably has her own life to attend to. He does give the impression that he does think about football all the time. That's probably old school management. Families come second. Pulis was like that, Hughes wasn't. I think you can very easily wear down a squad if you're the obsessive kind, like Mourinho has been in his jobs. I agree that there is lot in Jones that looks like we have the right man for the time being, but we probably need him to commit himself (personally, not just by contract) for at least 2½ years before we're back on track, maybe even longer. He might well be so inclined and may do very well for us, but success can come at a price. If he was prepared to leave Luton, lying at the top of L1, who's to say he won't leave us 18 months from now, if a top 10 PL club comes calling...
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Post by danceswithclams on Jan 17, 2019 12:58:32 GMT
I've tried but it always ends up sounding like a subcontinent accent! I've got it pretty much nailed now. Our Nath sounds a bit like Eggsy on Goldie Lookin' Chain's Part Man, Part Machine when he does the robot voice:
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Jan 17, 2019 13:03:37 GMT
Appears to have the ideal combination of passion, professionalism and a need to constantly improve.
If given time I’m sure he’ll do a tremendous job here.
Hard to believe that there’s some on his back already, sometimes this place makes a home for the bewildered look like a tranquil sanctuary
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Post by GreaterGlasgowstokie on Jan 17, 2019 13:09:57 GMT
I couldn't sleep last night, so I was just lying in bed looking at the ceiling thinking about Stoke, because I'm a sad bastard. I was thinking about the mess we've gotten ourselves into, and how to get out of it and out of nowhere I just thought - I bet NJ is up doing exactly the same thing. He just strikes me as that kind of guy, after listening to interviews etc I just get the impression that he will be undeniable in the pursuit of his goals. For some reason, I didn't get that feeling with GR. I just have a hunch we're onto something good here, given the backing of the board and the fans - I think we can really build something here and see some really good football. It's going to be a long ride, but I feel we've got the right man at the wheel. I was up thinking the exact same thing!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 13:12:21 GMT
However, in NJ we have a different approach to our footballing philosophy. It's actually a bold statement by the clubs owners. I think they think they have their man now and will stick with NJ for at least 18 months whatever happens. We should all just get behind NJ now and hold on for the ride (instead of hoping for miracles and instant success). His record at Luton should earn him our respect, at least for the foreseeable future. I think he is starting out as he means to go on and if that means defeats and clinging on to Championship status then so be it. We have to rebuild, we have to be patient, we have to support the manager and hopefully good things will come. I agree that the owners may very well have decided to go less for immediate action and more for the long haul, and that they will back NJ, even if he doesn't succeed at first. Not least because the sacking of 3 managers within 12 months has hurt them. Perhaps financially, but that is less a concern. They've entered a policy that go against their beliefs, which is a manager should stay in the job for as long as 5-7 years for the sake of continuity in the project. With the club owner's business model that is a requirement. Though the managers hired have been very reluctant to connect to said model. None of them took to the idea that the club should be self-reliant or that we should sell before buying, so they just went ahead and spent spent spent, and the club chairman was happy to humour them. None of the past 4 managers have taken more than a passing interest at most in the Academy. NJ seems to be more willing in that regard and he has his past Luton record to prove it.
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Post by wuzza on Jan 17, 2019 13:18:49 GMT
He has an absolutely massive advantage over Rowett in that nearly everyone associated with the club have now accepted that promotion isn’t going to happen. That breathing space will be crucial. I think he has come across as a little nervy in his interviews so far and with good reason as he probably now realises that he is going to face challenges that he has never seen before in his short managerial career.
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Post by rickyfullerbeer on Jan 17, 2019 13:23:44 GMT
I couldn't sleep last night, so I was just lying in bed looking at the ceiling thinking about Stoke, because I'm a sad bastard. I was thinking about the mess we've gotten ourselves into, and how to get out of it and out of nowhere I just thought - I bet NJ is up doing exactly the same thing. He just strikes me as that kind of guy, after listening to interviews etc I just get the impression that he will be undeniable in the pursuit of his goals. For some reason, I didn't get that feeling with GR. I just have a hunch we're onto something good here, given the backing of the board and the fans - I think we can really build something here and see some really good football. It's going to be a long ride, but I feel we've got the right man at the wheel. Totally agree. I think most Stoke fans, including me, thought we would be in with a great chance of promotion this season. We soon found out that wasn't the case though. However, in NJ we have a different approach to our footballing philosophy. It's actually a bold statement by the clubs owners. I think they think they have their man now and will stick with NJ for at least 18 months whatever happens. We should all just get behind NJ now and hold on for the ride (instead of hoping for miracles and instant success). His record at Luton should earn him our respect, at least for the foreseeable future. I think he is starting out as he means to go on and if that means defeats and clinging on to Championship status then so be it. We have to rebuild, we have to be patient, we have to support the manager and hopefully good things will come. 100% Finishing position in the Championship counts for nothing, financially and in terms of player attraction. Sacrifice now could pay dividends in the future. This season is over and it's nothing more than a chance for Jonah to see which players he can utilise in the future and where he needs to make a change. Genuinely, I can't see many players here currently that will be starting for us come August. I hope the fans give him a chance but the early signs indicate otherwise...
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Post by maple on Jan 17, 2019 13:49:01 GMT
Personally i'm underwhelmed by the appointment. The turnaround at Luton was done by John Still who brought in the bulk of the players and got them back in the football league. Hope i'm wrong but can see this season only getting worse.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2019 13:53:33 GMT
This is what Bielsa has said in his pre- Stoke press conference about Jones:
“Head coaches express themselves through the games of their teams,” he said.
“You have head coaches who give traditional answers with common things not new things and you have inventive head coaches and I think he is a head coach that has creation. He is not a traditional head coach.”
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Post by JurgenVandeurzen on Jan 17, 2019 13:53:35 GMT
Personally i'm underwhelmed by the appointment. The turnaround at Luton was done by John Still who brought in the bulk of the players and got them back in the football league. Hope i'm wrong but can see this season only getting worse. Nice to hear a Luton fans perspective
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Post by maple on Jan 17, 2019 13:59:12 GMT
Personally i'm underwhelmed by the appointment. The turnaround at Luton was done by John Still who brought in the bulk of the players and got them back in the football league. Hope i'm wrong but can see this season only getting worse. Nice to hear a Luton fans perspective
I've written off the Leeds game, but Preston now becomes a must win with the form Hull are in and then free scoring West Brom.
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Post by PotterLog on Jan 17, 2019 14:04:59 GMT
The thing is he needs a lot of time, a fair bit of cash and, arguably most importantly, he needs a recruitment structure around him that buys into and works in tandem with his philosophy 100%. He might get one out of three here?
He seems like a talented, intelligent, conscientious bloke who could take a club places under the right conditions.. I'm glad he's been appointed but at the moment I can't seem to shake the feeling that we're the wrong club at the wrong time for him.
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Post by knype on Jan 17, 2019 14:07:26 GMT
Personally i'm underwhelmed by the appointment. The turnaround at Luton was done by John Still who brought in the bulk of the players and got them back in the football league. Hope i'm wrong but can see this season only getting worse. Can someone please ban this tool?
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Post by jeycov on Jan 17, 2019 14:16:58 GMT
Is NJs press conference today?
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Post by chigstoke on Jan 17, 2019 14:17:08 GMT
Nice to hear a Luton fans perspective
I've written off the Leeds game, but Preston now becomes a must win with the form Hull are in and then free scoring West Brom.
All you've done since signing up is moan.
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Post by Roger Everyone on Jan 17, 2019 14:25:47 GMT
I had only just perfected my Gary Rowett impression, and now he is gone. It will take a few more weeks before i can impersonate NJ....
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Post by cheekymatt71 on Jan 17, 2019 14:36:49 GMT
There is always a rock bottom or nadir moment in a clubs fortunes.
Lets hope Shrewsbury was that moment, because if there is worse to come this is going to be a horrible ride!
I do find Nathan Jones a lot more likeable than the arrogant Rowett, but likeable doesnt really count for a lot in football management.
Im hoping his positive and youth based philosophy can have an impact at Stoke, but our players have been used to playing slow plodding football since the Hughes days really. Are they really able to play a faster-pressing approach? It requires some serious coaching and fitness improvements for these players to step up
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