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Post by kustokie on Dec 21, 2018 2:48:27 GMT
We are 8th in the Championship in goals against, which is not terrible. We are where are because we throw away leads too easily by conceding silly goals and miss too many chances. Agree about conceding silly goals, which effects the midfield and forwards play. We desperately need at least one center half We have conceded 27 goals which is the same as the average for the top 6 teams. However, we have only scored 29, which about 10 less than the average for the top 6 teams. As a result we have only won 7 games and drawn 10. We would be in 3rd place if we had won half of the games we drew. We are creating plenty of chances, but we desperately need a striker. The best striker Hughes signed is Bojan, who joined Stoke on the promise that he would play up front. Unfortunately he went back on his word and tried several strikers that weren’t anywhere near as good a finisher as Bojan - Jesé, Diouf, Berahino, and Joselu to name a few. |
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Post by boru on Dec 21, 2018 2:56:00 GMT
Agree about conceding silly goals, which effects the midfield and forwards play. We desperately need at least one center half We have conceded 27 goals which is the same as the average for the top 6 teams. However, we have only scored 29, which about 10 less than the average for the top 6 teams. As a result we have only won 7 games and drawn 10. We would be in 3rd place if we had won half of the games we drew. We are creating plenty of chances, but we desperately need a striker. The best striker Hughes signed is Bojan, who joined Stoke on the promise that he would play up front. Unfortunately he went back on his word and tried several strikers that weren’t anywhere near as good a finisher as Bojan - Jesé, Diouf, Berahino, and Joselu to name a few. Those home losses at the beginning of the season did a lot of damage. I wish Bojan could still do it. Get the Polish forward from Birmingham Ledwoski |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 21, 2018 13:12:47 GMT
Shawcross has been a great player for us but at the moment I'd rather see Williams and BMI at the back and I'm bit surprised he's kept his place since Pieters came back and BMI was not required at left back. If we get a decent centre back in the January window (and we really need the cover if nothing else) I can see Ryan dropping further down the pecking order.
I do believe centre backs can have an Indian Summer if they adapt their game to deal with the fact that they can't rely on their body and need to use their brain more and there's a long least of player's who've done that. I remain hopeful Ryan can do the same - although he's now playing far better than at the start of the season I'm just not seeing it at the moment. To be fair that may be down to the fact that he hasn't got a young, fit, pacey partner alongside him. The problem is that after a dodgy start Williams looks a class above Ryan at the moment and if we do get a quality centre back he's more likely to end up playing alongside Williams.
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Post by Bagwash on Dec 22, 2018 4:37:43 GMT
What can i say? Top professional and a Stoke Legend - maybe not the player he was a few years ago, but still gives this club 110% on the pitch and a great ambassador for us off it too. Exactly,perfect role model for any up and coming would be footballer. |
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Post by robwahlmann on Dec 22, 2018 8:39:50 GMT
What can i say? Top professional and a Stoke Legend - maybe not the player he was a few years ago, but still gives this club 110% on the pitch and a great ambassador for us off it too. Exactly,perfect role model for any up and coming would be footballer. I'm a real fan of Ryan, but he has certainly lost some pace. Because of this I feel he now is more reliant on a partner who possesses this, unfortunately neither of Indi and Williams have pace to compensate. We really need another central defender with pace to get the best out of Ryan in my opinion.  |
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Post by reddipotter on Dec 22, 2018 8:48:29 GMT
Shawcross has been a great player for us but at the moment I'd rather see Williams and BMI at the back and I'm bit surprised he's kept his place since Pieters came back and BMI was not required at left back. If we get a decent centre back in the January window (and we really need the cover if nothing else) I can see Ryan dropping further down the pecking order. I do believe centre backs can have an Indian Summer if they adapt their game to deal with the fact that they can't rely on their body and need to use their brain more and there's a long least of player's who've done that. I remain hopeful Ryan can do the same - although he's now playing far better than at the start of the season I'm just not seeing it at the moment. To be fair that may be down to the fact that he hasn't got a young, fit, pacey partner alongside him. The problem is that after a dodgy start Williams looks a class above Ryan at the moment and if we do get a quality centre back he's more likely to end up playing alongside Williams. Could it be that one reason for Williams' improvement is that he's playing alongside Ryan who organises the defence and provides power in the air? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2018 9:07:45 GMT
Shawcross has been a great player for us but at the moment I'd rather see Williams and BMI at the back and I'm bit surprised he's kept his place since Pieters came back and BMI was not required at left back. If we get a decent centre back in the January window (and we really need the cover if nothing else) I can see Ryan dropping further down the pecking order. I do believe centre backs can have an Indian Summer if they adapt their game to deal with the fact that they can't rely on their body and need to use their brain more and there's a long least of player's who've done that. I remain hopeful Ryan can do the same - although he's now playing far better than at the start of the season I'm just not seeing it at the moment. To be fair that may be down to the fact that he hasn't got a young, fit, pacey partner alongside him. The problem is that after a dodgy start Williams looks a class above Ryan at the moment and if we do get a quality centre back he's more likely to end up playing alongside Williams. Could it be that one reason for Williams' improvement is that he's playing alongside Ryan who organises the defence and provides power in the air? No, as good as Ryan has been he has never been an organiser, IMHO. I would suggest that Williams has been doing the organising, and both have benefitted as a result of it. |
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Post by reddipotter on Dec 22, 2018 9:37:55 GMT
Could it be that one reason for Williams' improvement is that he's playing alongside Ryan who organises the defence and provides power in the air? No, as good as Ryan has been he has never been an organiser, IMHO. I would suggest that Williams has been doing the organising, and both have benefitted as a result of it. Ah, the old myth that Ryan, despite being our captain for over ten years, isn't an organiser. |
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Post by foxysgloves on Dec 22, 2018 10:16:55 GMT
Just a couple of points.
He’s Ryan Shawcross.
He’s Ryan Shawcross.
Oh, and he’s Ryan Shawcross.
Just enjoy the fact that we still get to see an actual Stoke City legend playing in the red and white. We might never again see someone like Ryan play for us. He arrived from United, led us to promotion barely more than a boy, went toe to toe with giants of the game and epitomized what made us a Premier League force, didn’t angle for a move away - even when relegation loomed. He might not be the force he once was but he’s far from the disaster some seem to think.
Ryan Shawcross has so much credit in the Bank of Stoke Legend that he could score a hat trick of own goals, buy a Vale season ticket, change his name to Arsene Ferguson Cotterill......and still be immune to criticism.
That’s just the way it is with legends like Ryan.
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Post by davejohnno1 on Dec 22, 2018 10:31:20 GMT
Just a couple of points. He’s Ryan Shawcross. He’s Ryan Shawcross. Oh, and he’s Ryan Shawcross. Just enjoy the fact that we still get to see an actual Stoke City legend playing in the red and white. We might never again see someone like Ryan play for us. He arrived from United, led us to promotion barely more than a boy, went toe to toe with giants of the game and epitomized what made us a Premier League force, didn’t angle for a move away - even when relegation loomed. He might not be the force he once was but he’s far from the disaster some seem to think. Ryan Shawcross has so much credit in the Bank of Stoke Legend that he could score a hat trick of own goals, buy a Vale season ticket, change his name to Arsene Ferguson Cotterill......and still be immune to criticism. That’s just the way it is with legends like Ryan. The cotterill bit might be pushing it |
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Post by adi on Dec 22, 2018 10:50:47 GMT
Just a couple of points. He’s Ryan Shawcross. He’s Ryan Shawcross. Oh, and he’s Ryan Shawcross. Just enjoy the fact that we still get to see an actual Stoke City legend playing in the red and white. We might never again see someone like Ryan play for us. He arrived from United, led us to promotion barely more than a boy, went toe to toe with giants of the game and epitomized what made us a Premier League force, didn’t angle for a move away - even when relegation loomed. He might not be the force he once was but he’s far from the disaster some seem to think. Ryan Shawcross has so much credit in the Bank of Stoke Legend that he could score a hat trick of own goals, buy a Vale season ticket, change his name to Arsene Ferguson Cotterill......and still be immune to criticism. That’s just the way it is with legends like Ryan. Absolutely agree with this. He needs to go before he taints people’s memory of him. |
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Post by greyman on Dec 22, 2018 12:43:50 GMT
Just a couple of points. He’s Ryan Shawcross. He’s Ryan Shawcross. Oh, and he’s Ryan Shawcross. Just enjoy the fact that we still get to see an actual Stoke City legend playing in the red and white. We might never again see someone like Ryan play for us. He arrived from United, led us to promotion barely more than a boy, went toe to toe with giants of the game and epitomized what made us a Premier League force, didn’t angle for a move away - even when relegation loomed. He might not be the force he once was but he’s far from the disaster some seem to think. Ryan Shawcross has so much credit in the Bank of Stoke Legend that he could score a hat trick of own goals, buy a Vale season ticket, change his name to Arsene Ferguson Cotterill......and still be immune to criticism. That’s just the way it is with legends like Ryan. Absolutely agree with this. He needs to go before he taints people’s memory of him. It would only be for those with bloody short memories |
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Post by boskampsflaps on Dec 22, 2018 13:28:39 GMT
Shawcross has been a great player for us but at the moment I'd rather see Williams and BMI at the back and I'm bit surprised he's kept his place since Pieters came back and BMI was not required at left back. If we get a decent centre back in the January window (and we really need the cover if nothing else) I can see Ryan dropping further down the pecking order. I do believe centre backs can have an Indian Summer if they adapt their game to deal with the fact that they can't rely on their body and need to use their brain more and there's a long least of player's who've done that. I remain hopeful Ryan can do the same - although he's now playing far better than at the start of the season I'm just not seeing it at the moment. To be fair that may be down to the fact that he hasn't got a young, fit, pacey partner alongside him. The problem is that after a dodgy start Williams looks a class above Ryan at the moment and if we do get a quality centre back he's more likely to end up playing alongside Williams. Could it be that one reason for Williams' improvement is that he's playing alongside Ryan who organises the defence and provides power in the air? Williams has had good games without Shawcross so that falls down a little, personally however good he's been for us in the past its time to phase him out, its a shame but all players go the same way in the end. |
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Post by CBUFAWKIPWH on Dec 22, 2018 19:29:24 GMT
Williams started to look decent when Shawcross got dropped and built a good partnership with BMI. The only reason it got broken up was because Pieters got injured and BMI had to fill in at left back. Ryan has been better than at the start of the season since coming back in but he really doesn't fill me with confidence. If anyone is the organiser at the moment it's Williams who just looks a class above Ryan.
Ryan is a a legend and always will be but I'd hate to see his legend tarnished by being the cause of us losing much needed points this season. Today confirmed for me that Williams and BMI should be starting in the middle and if we sign anyone in January it has to be a quality pacey centre back.
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Post by lordb on Dec 22, 2018 19:32:31 GMT
Williams started to look decent when Shawcross got dropped and built a good partnership with BMI. The only reason it got broken up was because Pieters got injured and BMI had to fill in at left back. Ryan has been better than at the start of the season since coming back in but he really doesn't fill me with confidence. If anyone is the organiser at the moment it's Williams who just looks a class above Ryan. Ryan is a a legend and always will be but I'd hate to see his legend tarnished by being the cause of us losing much needed points this season. Today confirmed for me that Williams and BMI should be starting in the middle and if we sign anyone in January it has to be a quality pacey centre back. Thought Williams had his first bad game for ages, basic mistakes today. Bruno in for Blues. |
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Post by mrred on Dec 22, 2018 20:26:14 GMT
Shawcross and Butland stuck out like sore thumbs today. No end of mistakes between them.
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Post by Chewbacca the Wookie on Dec 22, 2018 20:36:09 GMT
He's been a great servant and ambassador for the club has Ryan but he was awful today.
He seems to be shown up even more for his lack of technical skill in the Championship than he ever was in the PL. He looks devoid of confidence and on the whole bar the barnstorming run cant get rid of the ball quick enough.
Such a shame but he needs replacing.
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Post by jarhead on Dec 22, 2018 20:39:37 GMT
Butland AGAIN arrogance all over his stupid Fuckin face!
And I will say it AGAIN you are NOT Left Footed you dickwad! So stop trying to switch every ball you receive onto your Wank left-foot so you then kick it out.
Just Do the fuckin Basics and stop trying to be flash ffs
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 22, 2018 20:41:17 GMT
Butland AGAIN arrogance all over his stupid Fuckin face! And I will say it AGAIN you are NOT Left Footed you dickwad! So stop trying to switch every ball you receive onto your Wank left-foot so you then kick it out. Just Do the fuckin Basics and stop trying to be flash ffs His kicking seems to be getting worse, it’s was diabolical today. Does he not practice it, ffs! |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Dec 22, 2018 20:41:40 GMT
Williams started to look decent when Shawcross got dropped and built a good partnership with BMI. The only reason it got broken up was because Pieters got injured and BMI had to fill in at left back. Ryan has been better than at the start of the season since coming back in but he really doesn't fill me with confidence. If anyone is the organiser at the moment it's Williams who just looks a class above Ryan. Ryan is a a legend and always will be but I'd hate to see his legend tarnished by being the cause of us losing much needed points this season. Today confirmed for me that Williams and BMI should be starting in the middle and if we sign anyone in January it has to be a quality pacey centre back. Thought Williams had his first bad game for ages, basic mistakes today. Bruno in for Blues. I agree in that Williams' general play was quite poor however he had 2 massive moments. 1 was a header from pretty much under our own bar (think the ref gave a foul) but it was a fantastic header away And the second was a shit they had in the first half that he managed to get something on. BMI and Williams for me. |
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Dec 22, 2018 20:42:52 GMT
Butland AGAIN arrogance all over his stupid Fuckin face! And I will say it AGAIN you are NOT Left Footed you dickwad! So stop trying to switch every ball you receive onto your Wank left-foot so you then kick it out. Just Do the fuckin Basics and stop trying to be flash ffs His body language today in the first half was fucking pathetic. 100% off in Jan. |
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Post by terryconroysmagic on Dec 22, 2018 20:43:24 GMT
Thought Williams had his first bad game for ages, basic mistakes today. Bruno in for Blues. I agree in that Williams' general play was quite poor however he had 2 massive moments. 1 was a header from pretty much under our own bar (think the ref gave a foul) but it was a fantastic header away And the second was a shit they had in the first half that he managed to get something on. BMI and Williams for me. What did he get on the “shit they had”, toilet roll...😁 |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2018 20:47:54 GMT
Just a couple of points. He’s Ryan Shawcross. He’s Ryan Shawcross. Oh, and he’s Ryan Shawcross. Just enjoy the fact that we still get to see an actual Stoke City legend playing in the red and white. We might never again see someone like Ryan play for us. He arrived from United, led us to promotion barely more than a boy, went toe to toe with giants of the game and epitomized what made us a Premier League force, didn’t angle for a move away - even when relegation loomed. He might not be the force he once was but he’s far from the disaster some seem to think. Ryan Shawcross has so much credit in the Bank of Stoke Legend that he could score a hat trick of own goals, buy a Vale season ticket, change his name to Arsene Ferguson Cotterill......and still be immune to criticism. That’s just the way it is with legends like Ryan. Absolutely spot on. But having said all of this - if we do get a quality DC during the January transfer window, I don think it will be Ryan who makes way. |
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Post by crouchpotato1 on Dec 22, 2018 20:57:00 GMT
Was Shawcross really as bad as so called supporters are making out?No he wasn’t but then again I’d expect no different after certain fans have written him off already this season.
What folk need to do is read the back of today’s Oatcake and go to games rather than sit on here slagging players off week in week out
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Post by jarhead on Dec 22, 2018 21:01:18 GMT
Butland AGAIN arrogance all over his stupid Fuckin face! And I will say it AGAIN you are NOT Left Footed you dickwad! So stop trying to switch every ball you receive onto your Wank left-foot so you then kick it out. Just Do the fuckin Basics and stop trying to be flash ffs His body language today in the first half was fucking pathetic. 100% off in Jan. So slow again playing under hit Passes out to the full backs Left-Footed of course and nearly putting us in the shit, He’s doing my fuckin head in. |
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Post by SneydGreenStokie on Dec 22, 2018 21:03:44 GMT
Off you pop pal. Good effort but not quite good enough SGS It is the truth, worse defence in the world for professional football players last year, and terrible again this season. Suits making the present and last manager play him. Another clean sheet Bet you're gutted SGS |
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Post by onefatcopper on Dec 22, 2018 21:34:01 GMT
Butland AGAIN arrogance all over his stupid Fuckin face! And I will say it AGAIN you are NOT Left Footed you dickwad! So stop trying to switch every ball you receive onto your Wank left-foot so you then kick it out. Just Do the fuckin Basics and stop trying to be flash ffs His kicking seems to be getting worse, it’s was diabolical today. Does he not practice it, ffs! For Gods sake, give the man a break ! I don’t think that we the fans realise just how hard Jack has been working on his game behind the scenes, it’s now been confirmed that the hard work has finally payed dividends, Jack has mastered the Dive to the Left at Penalty kicks ! |
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Post by boru on Dec 27, 2018 10:57:16 GMT
It is the truth, worse defence in the world for professional football players last year, and terrible again this season. Suits making the present and last manager play him. Another clean sheet Bet you're gutted SGS No its great to have clean sheet, Terrible again the last two matches, we need a centerhalf |
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Post by awrypotter on Dec 27, 2018 11:04:48 GMT
Just a couple of points. He’s Ryan Shawcross. He’s Ryan Shawcross. Oh, and he’s Ryan Shawcross. Just enjoy the fact that we still get to see an actual Stoke City legend playing in the red and white. We might never again see someone like Ryan play for us. He arrived from United, led us to promotion barely more than a boy, went toe to toe with giants of the game and epitomized what made us a Premier League force, didn’t angle for a move away - even when relegation loomed. He might not be the force he once was but he’s far from the disaster some seem to think. Ryan Shawcross has so much credit in the Bank of Stoke Legend that he could score a hat trick of own goals, buy a Vale season ticket, change his name to Arsene Ferguson Cotterill......and still be immune to criticism. That’s just the way it is with legends like Ryan. Sadly Ryan is now way past his best. Contuing to play him does him no favours. I don't think he has ever been the same since Huthy left. |
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