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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 21:20:52 GMT
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Post by TexasPotter on Jan 5, 2019 21:23:44 GMT
It's borderline club seppaku keeping him from the matchday squad. We deserve everything coming to us having that talent and not using it correctly instead going all graft, no offense.
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Post by werrington on Jan 5, 2019 21:32:20 GMT
He’s hung himself ostracising Bojan and Bauer as well as publcally naming those two and Shawcross in his aftermatch interviews
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 21:37:00 GMT
He’s hung himself ostracising Bojan and Bauer as well as publcally naming those two and Shawcross in his aftermatch interviews Yes he has Wez.
The frustrating part of this is for me he's obviously an intelligent fella that will learn from this and do well elsewhere when he goes back in. It's the first time he's been in this situation, he's made mistakes by his own admission and it's obviously gone too far that he can't bring it back. It's hard to learn when you are right on the coal face and when he is gone and he takes time out he will look back over the things he's done/hasn't done and learn from it, come back and improve.
Doesn't bloody help us now though.
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Post by boru on Jan 5, 2019 21:44:01 GMT
How does he was know he was fut ??
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Post by nenepotter on Jan 5, 2019 21:44:11 GMT
He should have learnt these lessons by now. He's just too arrogant.
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Post by CalgaryPotter on Jan 5, 2019 21:44:35 GMT
I just hope a change of manager will persuade Bojan & Bauer to stay.
Both have been ostracized in a ridiculous fashion by a weak man who is scared of their popularity with the fan base which he has taken a pop at since the start of his tenure
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Post by pinoypotter on Jan 5, 2019 21:59:38 GMT
I just hope a change of manager will persuade Bojan & Bauer to stay. Both have been ostracized in a ridiculous fashion by a weak man who is scared of their popularity with the fan base which he has taken a pop at since the start of his tenure Totally agree with you. Is it just their popularity with the fans that is the reason that GR won't include them in the squad or is there some pressure from the CEO that is the main reason they're not involved? Can't help thinking there's some friction between Rowett and Scholes, especially involving Bojan and Bauer.
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Post by pinoypotter on Jan 5, 2019 22:05:32 GMT
Sorry... what I'm suggesting is do you think that Scholes is pushing for Bojan and Bauer to be in the squad and Rowett is digging his heels in against this. More so than fan pressure?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 22:12:48 GMT
His treatment of Bojan is the main reason why he has lost my support.
If we were ripping the league apart without Bojan anywhere near the squad then I wouldn't be arsed.
If we were competing at the top end of the league and looking like a cohesive footballing unit without Bojan anywhere near the squad then I wouldn't be arsed.
If we were creating shit loads of chances every game but not converting enough of those chances without Bojan anywhere near the squad, I'd be a bit more arsed but not that bothered.
The fact that we aren't remotely close to any of the above as it stands, makes it almost unbelievable that Rowett can't find a place in his matchday squad for Bojan, who in my opinion could rip this league to pieces given the chance to.
I backed Rowett earlier in the season thinking that if Bojan was playing well he would pick him, obviously I couldn't have been more wrong. I know that Bojan isn't the world beating footballer that some Stoke fans would have you believe, but I've seen enough of this division now to know that, if fit and given a run of games in his best position, he could still be a top player for us at this level. I keep hearing people say, he's not up for the physical demands of this division, and it's absolute bollocks, there are similar players to him size wise who thrive in this league and they aren't half the player he is when he's at his best, he's on a different level to anything else in this division if used properly.
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Post by salopstick on Jan 5, 2019 22:14:23 GMT
How often have you seen players ostracised at other clubs to come back in with a change of manager and been brilliant
Pogba a recent example.
Sooner we get a new manager the better
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 5, 2019 22:20:37 GMT
He’s hung himself ostracising Bojan and Bauer as well as publcally naming those two and Shawcross in his aftermatch interviews Yes he has Wez. The frustrating part of this is for me he's obviously an intelligent fella that will learn from this and do well elsewhere when he goes back in. It's the first time he's been in this situation, he's made mistakes by his own admission and it's obviously gone too far that he can't bring it back. It's hard to learn when you are right on the coal face and when he is gone and he takes time out he will look back over the things he's done/hasn't done and learn from it, come back and improve. Doesn't bloody help us now though. I don't think so, he's arrogant with very little football know how. He can't handle supposedly better players and I'd be surprised to see him succesful above League 1 level to be honest. Stoke was too big a club for Rowett believe it or not, he really was out of his depth.
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Post by nenepotter on Jan 5, 2019 22:21:34 GMT
True he might not be the world beating footballer some would have us believe, and his confidence and mentality need rebuilding. But even in his limited cameos this season we were more effective with him on the pitch..... only for him to be inexplicably excluded.
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Post by boru on Jan 5, 2019 22:22:16 GMT
His treatment of Bojan is the main reason why he has lost my support. If we were ripping the league apart without Bojan anywhere near the squad then I wouldn't be arsed. If we were competing at the top end of the league and looking like a cohesive footballing unit without Bojan anywhere near the squad then I wouldn't be arsed. If we were creating shit loads of chances every game but not converting enough of those chances without Bojan anywhere near the squad, I'd be a bit more arsed but not that bothered. The fact that we aren't remotely close to any of the above as it stands, makes it almost unbelievable that Rowett can't find a place in his matchday squad for Bojan, who in my opinion could rip this league to pieces given the chance to. I backed Rowett earlier in the season thinking that if Bojan was playing well he would pick him, obviously I couldn't have been more wrong. I know that Bojan isn't the world beating footballer that some Stoke fans would have you believe, but I've seen enough of this division now to know that, if fit and given a run of games in his best position, he could still be a top player for us at this level. I keep hearing people say, he's not up for the physical demands of this division, and it's absolute bollocks, there are similar players to him size wise who thrive in this league and they aren't half the player he is when he's at his best, he's on a different level to anything else in this division if used properly. Rubbish, six managers have tried. Was a great player,
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 22:24:06 GMT
Yes he has Wez. The frustrating part of this is for me he's obviously an intelligent fella that will learn from this and do well elsewhere when he goes back in. It's the first time he's been in this situation, he's made mistakes by his own admission and it's obviously gone too far that he can't bring it back. It's hard to learn when you are right on the coal face and when he is gone and he takes time out he will look back over the things he's done/hasn't done and learn from it, come back and improve. Doesn't bloody help us now though. I don't think so, he's arrogant with very little football know how. He can't handle supposedly better players and I'd be surprised to see him succesful above League 1 level to be honest. Stoke was too big a club for Rowett believe it or not, he really was out of his depth. I respect your opinion and I will watch his career with limited interest once he has gone.
I could be wrong and to be fair, once he's gone and we've moved on I won't be that bothered. I'm more bothered about the missed opportunity currently residing at Swansea...
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Post by thequietman on Jan 5, 2019 22:31:27 GMT
How often have you seen players ostracised at other clubs to come back in with a change of manager and been brilliant Pogba a recent example. Sooner we get a new manager the better We can only hope, Salop, on both counts. Every club doing well in this division seems to have one magic talent surrounded by grafters who'll cover for his lack of tackling. So many players have come to our beloved club and looked like world-beaters for a short time only to have all creativity ground out of them. Today was one of the most soul-destroying games I've seen for a long time. The number of times one of our players got the ball in the last third and you could clearly see the look of "oh fuck, what do I do with it now?". Makes me want to weep. A flick, a trick, any bleeding thing even if it only comes off 1 in 10 times. Bojan can do that, I don't think any other player we've got can. But no, our esteemed manager can't or won't see it. I've never been one to criticise current managers /players but fook Rowett. Fook him and the horse he rode in on.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jan 5, 2019 22:32:49 GMT
His treatment of Bojan is the main reason why he has lost my support. If we were ripping the league apart without Bojan anywhere near the squad then I wouldn't be arsed. If we were competing at the top end of the league and looking like a cohesive footballing unit without Bojan anywhere near the squad then I wouldn't be arsed. If we were creating shit loads of chances every game but not converting enough of those chances without Bojan anywhere near the squad, I'd be a bit more arsed but not that bothered. The fact that we aren't remotely close to any of the above as it stands, makes it almost unbelievable that Rowett can't find a place in his matchday squad for Bojan, who in my opinion could rip this league to pieces given the chance to. I backed Rowett earlier in the season thinking that if Bojan was playing well he would pick him, obviously I couldn't have been more wrong. I know that Bojan isn't the world beating footballer that some Stoke fans would have you believe, but I've seen enough of this division now to know that, if fit and given a run of games in his best position, he could still be a top player for us at this level. I keep hearing people say, he's not up for the physical demands of this division, and it's absolute bollocks, there are similar players to him size wise who thrive in this league and they aren't half the player he is when he's at his best, he's on a different level to anything else in this division if used properly. Rubbish, six managers have tried. Was a great player, Yet another crap post from a crap poster.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 5, 2019 22:35:22 GMT
He should have learnt these lessons by now. He's just too arrogant. Are you suggesting he should play Bauer & bojan because some fans are insisting on it? Maybe, just maybe they arnt good enough? Where is the evidence bojan still has it? He may have but what is it based on?
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 5, 2019 22:40:57 GMT
All this hysteria for a player that has done didly squat ' anywhere'for nearly 3 years and picked up a fortune along the way. A fortune most people will have to work a lifetime for.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 22:44:54 GMT
He should have learnt these lessons by now. He's just too arrogant. Are you suggesting he should play Bauer & bojan because some fans are insisting on it? Maybe, just maybe they arnt good enough? Where is the evidence bojan still has it? He may have but what is it based on? Where is the evidence that they aren't good enough? I know what you're going to say about Bojan, but how can a player who was good enough to impress in the Premier League not be good enough for the Championship? Well if he's been eating pastry and sacheltort ten times a day and is ten pounds overweight that could explain but there is no "evidence" of that or anything else, only Rowett's negativity and prejudice about flair players.
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Post by Mr_DaftBurger on Jan 5, 2019 22:46:17 GMT
We can only hope, Salop, on both counts. Every club doing well in this division seems to have one magic talent surrounded by grafters who'll cover for his lack of tackling. I think another problem is our so called grafters don't believe they are grafters!
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Post by olimje on Jan 5, 2019 22:47:50 GMT
Truly cannot understand the ‘love in ‘ of Bojan. He was once an excellent player but is no longer. Confirmed by his loan spells at clubs where he never set the world alight and consequently had to return to Stoke
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Post by stokesupporter on Jan 5, 2019 22:48:03 GMT
Bojan has been much better than Clucas for example, even in the deeper role. Clucas has so far offered nothing, still he is ever present.
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Post by swampySCFC on Jan 5, 2019 22:50:30 GMT
Bojan has been much better than Clucas for example, even in the deeper role. Lucas has so far offered nothing, still he is ever present. Cant be any worse than Woods and Clucas
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Post by numpty40 on Jan 5, 2019 22:56:35 GMT
All this hysteria for a player that has done didly squat ' anywhere'for nearly 3 years and picked up a fortune along the way. A fortune most people will have to work a lifetime for. I've seen most of the rare games this season that Bojan has got onto the pitch. On those rare occasions he was different class to everyone else. People around me stirred in their seats when he was in possession, that's what good footballers do.
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 5, 2019 22:56:44 GMT
Are you suggesting he should play Bauer & bojan because some fans are insisting on it? Maybe, just maybe they arnt good enough? Where is the evidence bojan still has it? He may have but what is it based on? Where is the evidence that they aren't good enough? I know what you're going to say about Bojan, but how can a player who was good enough to impress in the Premier League not be good enough for the Championship? Well if he's been eating pastry and sacheltort ten times a day and is ten pounds overweight that could explain but there is no "evidence" of that or anything else, only Rowett's negativity and prejudice about flair players. Is it though, bojan has done nothing anywhere for nearly 3 years, nobody was banging down the door for him in summer it seems were they, even for a loan move? Why? This is bojan Krkic right? The one time Barcelona prodigy who we happened to "steal" for what was it £1.8m. Why does Hughes send him out on loan ( The man that brought him?), lambert not opt to bring him back? Why does he Only manage to get on the pitch a combined 24 times in 2 seasons on loan for 2 average teams in 2 different countries? And then only score 1 goal during them 2 years? It's all good and well remembering what he once did but these managers see the guy every single day in training. I happen to believe it's a mental issue, not sure what but there has been hints before that there may be more to it than meets the eye. As for Bauer, great wing back for me but if he has no positional sense what use is he in a back 4?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2019 22:58:13 GMT
Truly cannot understand the ‘love in ‘ of Bojan. He was once an excellent player but is no longer. Confirmed by his loan spells at clubs where he never set the world alight and consequently had to return to Stoke In his loan spell in Germany he was playing for a poor side who were fighting relegation. He'd also not played regular football for some time. In his loan spell in Spain it was the same plus there was some problem between the manager and the Chairman which didn't help. As I and many have stated over and over again, to the clear ignorance of yourself and others, Bojan like 1000s of other professional sport players requires game time to hit top gear. He's started 3 games this season (and was influential in all of them)...but that's it. He's still young and isn't reliant on pace. You don't just become a bad footballer especially given the levels he was playing at. I would bet my house that if he had started every League game this season under a proper manager not playing shit Rowett football he would have scored a minimum of 8 goals plus assists.
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Post by ursemboys on Jan 5, 2019 22:59:37 GMT
All this hysteria for a player that has done didly squat ' anywhere'for nearly 3 years and picked up a fortune along the way. A fortune most people will have to work a lifetime for. You won't get through to them ,no use knocking ,they are bewitched by the Bojan from years ago .I wish he would just play hm for a couple games and see how many eat there words
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Post by berahinosgoals on Jan 5, 2019 23:02:03 GMT
All this hysteria for a player that has done didly squat ' anywhere'for nearly 3 years and picked up a fortune along the way. A fortune most people will have to work a lifetime for. You won't get through to them ,no use knocking ,they are bewitched by the Bojan from years ago .I wish he would just play hm for a couple games and see how many eat there words I nearly wrote that last sentence myself mate word for word. I'd happily eat my words to see the same bojan pre injury
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Post by nenepotter on Jan 5, 2019 23:04:30 GMT
He should have learnt these lessons by now. He's just too arrogant. Are you suggesting he should play Bauer & bojan because some fans are insisting on it? Maybe, just maybe they arnt good enough? Where is the evidence bojan still has it? He may have but what is it based on? One thing you could look at is how have the team performed in his limited appearances this season. How did we get on with Bojan playing compared to when he was sat on the bench?
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