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Post by musik on Oct 25, 2018 15:42:06 GMT
As it says above.
Death penalty
What's your opinion on this? Is it awful and inhuman? Is it unfair? Is it the only human solution? Have you applied for a job as an executioner at a state prison?
Pros and cons Discuss
I remember a rather interesting and lively discussion we had on this when I did my military service. Quite refreshing it was.
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Post by Billybigbollox on Oct 25, 2018 16:52:32 GMT
As it says above. Death penalty What's your opinion on this? Is it awful and inhuman? Is it unfair? Is it the only human solution? Have you applied for a job as an executioner at a state prison? Pros and cons Discuss I remember a rather interesting and lively discussion we had on this when I did my military service. Quite refreshing it was. 🤔 They should bring it back. And anyone who disagrees can go hang.
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Post by musik on Oct 25, 2018 18:04:10 GMT
As it says above. Death penalty What's your opinion on this? Is it awful and inhuman? Is it unfair? Is it the only human solution? Have you applied for a job as an executioner at a state prison? Pros and cons Discuss I remember a rather interesting and lively discussion we had on this when I did my military service. Quite refreshing it was. 🤔 They should bring it back. And anyone who disagrees can go hang. Interesting point. Do you think it should be applied to any crime, or just a few? Which of these, if not all: kidnapping fraud unauthorized parking rape murder gross abuse tax cheating hooliganism defamation vandalism driving under influence (alcohol and/or drugs) attempted murder littering stalking
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2018 18:30:34 GMT
Returning ISIS fighters should be tried for high treason and put to death.
"British" Isis fighters should be hunted down and disposed of.
Wouldn't oppose it for active-paedos, rapists, sex offenders or murderers.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2018 18:47:14 GMT
Imagine how difficult reporting crimes would become. Especially in sex offence cases. We already have people scared to come forward, imagine the thoughts if them coming forward directly resulted in the death of someone.
That's ignoring the ethics behind murdering someone.
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Post by wagsastokie on Oct 25, 2018 18:52:48 GMT
They should bring it back. And anyone who disagrees can go hang. Interesting point. Do you think it should be applied to any crime, or just a few? Which of these, if not all: kidnapping fraud unauthorized parking rape murder gross abuse tax cheating hooliganism defamation vandalism You forgot to add supporting Man Utd to the list
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Post by felonious on Oct 25, 2018 18:59:19 GMT
Interesting point. Do you think it should be applied to any crime, or just a few? Which of these, if not all: kidnapping fraud unauthorized parking rape murder gross abuse tax cheating hooliganism defamation vandalism You forgot to add supporting Man Utd to the list Littering for me.
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Post by musik on Oct 25, 2018 19:07:49 GMT
It's on the list now. Just as driving under influence, stalking and murder attempts.
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Post by chuffedstokie on Oct 25, 2018 19:27:54 GMT
It's on the list now. Just as driving under influence, and other murder attempts. You do wonder why we're keeping the murderers of Lee Rigby in food and water.
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Post by Billybigbollox on Oct 25, 2018 19:29:33 GMT
Imagine how difficult reporting crimes would become. Especially in sex offence cases. We already have people scared to come forward, imagine the thoughts if them coming forward directly resulted in the death of someone. That's ignoring the ethics behind murdering someone. The death penalty is of course state sanctioned murder. Most of us would like to see it back for crimes such as the Lee Rigby murder though wouldn’t we LF?
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Post by musik on Oct 25, 2018 19:37:17 GMT
Trying to find some stats on how many innocent individuals who has got the electric chair.
In Sweden I think it was 0.03% who was for a death penalty in some cases (a survey a few years ago). That's 3 out of 10.000 people! I remember the arguments against it: it's medieval; undemocratic; not in proportion to the crime; treatment can help the criminals; it won't lower the crime rate; the nation shouldn't act just as the criminals; some might be innocent, and one would be enough
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2018 19:59:59 GMT
Imagine how difficult reporting crimes would become. Especially in sex offence cases. We already have people scared to come forward, imagine the thoughts if them coming forward directly resulted in the death of someone. That's ignoring the ethics behind murdering someone. The death penalty is of course state sanctioned murder. Most of us would like to see it back for crimes such as the Lee Rigby murder though wouldn’t we LF? I don't really want to see it at all. It's odd because obviously instinct is that people like that deserve to die. But I don't think you can ever be in a position where we can take a life. As unlikely as it is, what if those two were forced into it etc? There is no way to be perfectly 100% certain of fault and guilt. And above that, what's the point in killing someone? Where is the punishment in them never having to deal with their actions?
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Post by musik on Oct 25, 2018 20:02:24 GMT
What would the consequences be for the housing market, the labour market, consumer price index, inflation, health index, safety and welfare in general?
Especially if fraud, vandalism, cruelty to animals et cetera also were included.
An interesting field.
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Post by salopstick on Oct 25, 2018 20:02:57 GMT
I read somewhere that in the uk the murder rate went down when the death penalty was abolished.
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Post by musik on Oct 25, 2018 20:10:41 GMT
I read somewhere that in the uk the murder rate went down when the death penalty was abolished. Probably true, since many of those kind of criminals have an unknown death wish. On the other hand, if it was applied to all kind of crimes, no matter what, it would certainly lower the murder rate. In the news here recently some crap who have slaughtered three persons (a whole family) did it just because he needed some place to stay, a roof over his head. Then something is VERY wrong in society.
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Post by supersimonstainrod on Oct 25, 2018 20:24:03 GMT
It's on the list now. Just as driving under influence, and other murder attempts. You do wonder why we're keeping the murderers of Lee Rigby in food and water. So they can radicalize their fellow inmates.....😠
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2018 20:25:49 GMT
I read somewhere that in the uk the murder rate went down when the death penalty was abolished. Probably true, since many of those kind of criminals have an unknown death wish. On the other hand, if it was applied to all kind of crimes, no matter what, it would certainly lower the murder rate. In the news here recently some crap who have slaughtered three persons (a whole family) did it just because he needed some place to stay, a roof over his head. Then something is VERY wrong in society. It is but i think you fix that by giving adequate mental health care and a more fair society rather than killing people!
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Post by fortressbritannia on Oct 25, 2018 20:45:30 GMT
I'm in favour of it for multiple repeat offenders. It should if you are convicted of 5 sentences deemed to deserving of a custodial sentence then lights out.
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Post by neworleanstokie on Oct 25, 2018 20:55:47 GMT
Other than war criminals - no.
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Post by lordb on Oct 25, 2018 21:11:02 GMT
Pointless debate.
Argument one: it's a just punishment for murder. There is no counter argument to this because clearly it is.
Argument two: no one has the right to take someone else's life. There is no counter argument against this either.
All the other points to be made are ancillary.
Me personally I'm against it.
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Post by Billybigbollox on Oct 25, 2018 21:25:36 GMT
The death penalty is of course state sanctioned murder. Most of us would like to see it back for crimes such as the Lee Rigby murder though wouldn’t we LF? I don't really want to see it at all. It's odd because obviously instinct is that people like that deserve to die. But I don't think you can ever be in a position where we can take a life. As unlikely as it is, what if those two were forced into it etc? There is no way to be perfectly 100% certain of fault and guilt. And above that, what's the point in killing someone? Where is the punishment in them never having to deal with their actions? It gives justice and closure to the victims family. In the case of Lee Rigby it gives a sense of justice to the rest of us as well. That kind of crime affects everyone.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2018 21:37:21 GMT
I don't really want to see it at all. It's odd because obviously instinct is that people like that deserve to die. But I don't think you can ever be in a position where we can take a life. As unlikely as it is, what if those two were forced into it etc? There is no way to be perfectly 100% certain of fault and guilt. And above that, what's the point in killing someone? Where is the punishment in them never having to deal with their actions? It gives justice and closure to the victims family. In the case of Lee Rigby it gives a sense of justice to the rest of us as well. That kind of crime affects everyone. Does it? I don't think you ever really get closure from that sort of thing, but that seems more like revenge than closure anyway. Of course i wouldn't know having never experienced it thankfully. If you kill someone that's it. No going back. They may well have been forced into it etc, and beyond that, they will get the easy way out of living through the consequences of their crime.
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Post by woodstein on Oct 25, 2018 21:39:16 GMT
With additional torture for bad behaviour.
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Post by raythesailor on Oct 25, 2018 21:53:36 GMT
I remember as a child hearing on the radio news that so and so had been executed that morning and the announcer would say
“And the condemned man(woman) ate a hearty breakfast”. As a child I always found this quite disturbing and had visions of what those people went through during their last moments, deserved or not.
Ruth Ellis was the classic case which possibly bought about The abolishment of the ultimate sentence in this country.
Texas is still the execution capital of the planet. Google it and you will be shocked at the numbers.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2018 22:03:23 GMT
Trying to find some stats on how many innocent individuals who has got the electric chair. In Sweden I think it was 0.03% who was for a death penalty in some cases (a survey a few years ago). That's 3 out of 10.000 people! I remember the arguments against it: it's medieval; undemocratic; not in proportion to the crime; treatment can help the criminals; it won't lower the crime rate; the nation shouldn't act just as the criminals; some might be innocent, and one would be enough The nature of rehabilitation and restorative justice is one of turning a blind eye to crimes and violence towards the self and ones individual rights. If persons aren't able to arm themselves for defence and take appropriate action to protect their safety, what is the necessary cause for a government to keep the interests of the violater, and their future wellbeing and prospects in mind at the cost of the taxpayer? It's a nonsense. The role of justice for offences in the serious nature as I've outlined above should be punishment, not an expensive Clockwork orange style, see the best in people. It's how society degrades, Britain hasn't had a handle on punishment since arguably the 50's. And now we're at a time in society where Terrorists boldly wander the streets, comments on the internet or imprisonable and top priority but old ladies can get kicked in on their doorstep by thugs who have no fear of their crime because worst case scenario its a slap on the wrist and a £200 fine (if they're ever caught).
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Post by kidcrewbob on Oct 25, 2018 22:12:49 GMT
When ranting at the telly I'm sometimes for it but watching films like 10 Rillington Place and Let him have it set me against it many years ago
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Post by chuffedstokie on Oct 25, 2018 22:15:54 GMT
You do wonder why we're keeping the murderers of Lee Rigby in food and water. So they can radicalize their fellow inmates.....😠 By all accounts that is happening. These two are actually being looked up at by other inmates. If they're going to be locked up then lock them up alone. No frills.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2018 22:16:16 GMT
Trying to find some stats on how many innocent individuals who has got the electric chair. In Sweden I think it was 0.03% who was for a death penalty in some cases (a survey a few years ago). That's 3 out of 10.000 people! I remember the arguments against it: it's medieval; undemocratic; not in proportion to the crime; treatment can help the criminals; it won't lower the crime rate; the nation shouldn't act just as the criminals; some might be innocent, and one would be enough The nature of rehabilitation and restorative justice is one of turning a blind eye to crimes and violence towards the self and ones individual rights. If persons aren't able to arm themselves for defence and take appropriate action to protect their safety, what is the necessary cause for a government to keep the interests of the violater, and their future wellbeing and prospects in mind at the cost of the taxpayer? It's a nonsense. The role of justice for offences in the serious nature as I've outlined above should be punishment, not an expensive Clockwork orange style, see the best in people. It's how society degrades, Britain hasn't had a handle on punishment since arguably the 50's. And now we're at a time in society where Terrorists boldly wander the streets, comments on the internet or imprisonable and top priority but old ladies can get kicked in on their doorstep by thugs who have no fear of their crime because worst case scenario its a slap on the wrist and a £200 fine (if they're ever caught). The point is to try to rehabilitate people to be civilised and real help to society. Most criminals aren't that way in nature for want, it's out of necessity or environment they're brought up in. The issue isn't the idea of rehabilitating, it's the execution (mind the pun). Prisons are overcrowded, rife with crime and generally shit and not conducive of rehabilitation of criminals.
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Post by middleoftheboothen on Oct 25, 2018 22:18:41 GMT
I agree with it under certain circumstances, feminists and lefty do gooders first please.
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Post by shangamuzo on Oct 25, 2018 22:21:28 GMT
Imagine how difficult reporting crimes would become. Especially in sex offence cases. We already have people scared to come forward, imagine the thoughts if them coming forward directly resulted in the death of someone. That's ignoring the ethics behind murdering someone. The death penalty is of course state sanctioned murder. Most of us would like to see it back for crimes such as the Lee Rigby murder though wouldn’t we LF? I'd burn the vile Kunt.
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