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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2018 20:13:11 GMT
Originally this was thrown out, but it is back in court for plagiarism.
They are accused of stealing the guitar solo intro to Stairway to Heaven from a song from the early 60's by unknown group called Spirit, and their equally unknown song Tauras.
Have a listen, quite how it was thrown out is beyond me, it is so stolen.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2018 1:15:40 GMT
I always wondered about this.
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Post by tuum on Sept 30, 2018 1:54:23 GMT
Not sure what to make of this.
Many bands borrow riffs..some blatantly.
Ritchie Blackmore ex-Deep Purple explained where all their songs came from and freely admitted that half of them were taken from other peoples songs and embellished slightly. Others were just copied.
I vaguely recall Black Sabbath and Pink Floyd members saying something similar.
Led Zep to my knowledge have never admitted anything yet according to some bloke on You Tube they are worse than Deep Purple.
I think it is probably quite common and may depend on how close to the original you have kept as to whether you are sued or not.
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Post by thevoid on Sept 30, 2018 8:43:58 GMT
I don't think it was intended, probably just a Communication Breakdown somewhere down the line.
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Post by riverman on Sept 30, 2018 10:06:34 GMT
It is similar but if I remember correctly Page's defence was that it was a decending A minor chord sequence which had been around for centuries and used in other melodies. He commented that Taurus didn't invent A minor. As for other accusations re the so called blues rip offs, all blues tunes were basically borrowed from each other. Let's face it most blues riffs are the same three chords and 12 bars. They were successfully sued for pinching the odd lyric and rightly so, especially from Willie Dixon who know gets credit.
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Post by bathstoke on Sept 30, 2018 10:15:03 GMT
Let's chuck this into the folky plinky plonky mix
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Post by riverman on Sept 30, 2018 10:25:57 GMT
Certainly sounds like another variation.
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Post by unknown182 on Sept 30, 2018 14:10:41 GMT
There are loads of other examples
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Post by bathstoke on Sept 30, 2018 16:32:52 GMT
For me, Stairway is like cheese & onion sandwiches. If you have too many they get dull, but leave them for 5-10yrs & come back to them & they’re amazing.
It’s not the folky but I like, but the rock bit. It’s got didactic power💋
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Post by innocentbystander on Sept 30, 2018 19:07:40 GMT
Originally this was thrown out, but it is back in court for plagiarism. They are accused of stealing the guitar solo intro to Stairway to Heaven from a song from the early 60's by unknown group called Spirit, and their equally unknown song Tauras. Have a listen, quite how it was thrown out is beyond me, it is so stolen. I'd just like to step in and defend Randy California, one of my favourite guitarists. Spirit were not an unknown band, they made one of the greatest psychedelic albums "The Twelve Dreams of Dr Sardonicus" which regularly crops up in best 100 lists. I got into them in the seventies after being told that guitarist/leader Randy California had been taught guitar by his stepfathers mate Jimi Hendrix. I saw them play at the Rainbow, a gig that sold out in one day, with no notice. There's a very strong Hendrix influence in his playing, especially on his heavy solo album "Kaptain Kopter and the Fabulous Twirly Birds", partly made with Noel Redding. Led Zep toured with Spirit on their first tour of the US. Randy California never acted on suggestions that Stairway was lifted from Taurus, the legal actions only started some time after his death i.e. it's one group of record company lawyers against another, with Randy California's reputation suffering. |
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Post by turtlefox on Sept 30, 2018 20:07:58 GMT
Let's chuck this into the folky plinky plonky mix It sounds like James Bond. |
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Post by turtlefox on Sept 30, 2018 20:17:02 GMT
I thought this got kicked out of court in the first place because Zep proved that the start of it is just a scale progression and not really a riff ?
Personaly, when music is out there and someone makes as good of a good job with your stuff, as you did, be happy you've influenced someone. Your music didn't sell wen you did it and someone put it to good use. You should be proud, not suing, again ! It's bullshit.
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Post by metalhead on Oct 1, 2018 10:39:29 GMT
Still one of the greatest hard rock songs of all time, as is Stairway.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Oct 3, 2018 11:38:45 GMT
I thought this got kicked out of court in the first place because Zep proved that the start of it is just a scale progression and not really a riff ? Personaly, when music is out there and someone makes as good of a good job with your stuff, as you did, be happy you've influenced someone. Your music didn't sell wen you did it and someone put it to good use. You should be proud, not suing, again ! It's bullshit. Can't agree with that at all mate. Led Zeppelin were utter thieves, who quite literally stole the work of other artists. Have a listen to the two tracks below if you've got a min. Dazed and Confused comes from one of the biggest selling albums of all time, Led Zeppelin's debut album, the song has earned millions and milions in publishing royalties since it was first released in 1969 but it wasn't their song. It was originally written and recorded by Jake Holmes in 1967, the same year that he opened for the Yardbirds (of whom Jimmy Page was a member at the time) in New York. And Zeppelin just went and blatantly stole it off him (they didn't even change the title!) and claimed it as their own. And for the next 43 years Holmes didn't receive a single penny for the song and received no song writing credits. It wasn't until just six years ago (when he was well into his 70's) that he got an out of court settlement from Zeppelin and all future releases now credit him as the song writer. If he had got what had been due to him from the beginning then he would have had a completely different life and Zeppelin have blatantly ripped off Randy California (among others) too. |
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Post by bathstoke on Mar 10, 2020 7:29:42 GMT
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Post by thequietman on Mar 10, 2020 12:34:42 GMT
For me, Stairway is like cheese & onion sandwiches. If you have too many they get dull, but leave them for 5-10yrs & come back to them & they’re amazing. It’s not the folky but I like, but the rock bit. It’s got didactic power💋 I'd not heard any versions for quite a few years (and there are plenty out there ... some bad, some bl00dy atrocious) until I was playing some Leningrad Cowboys & The Red Army Choir stuff whilst playing darts in the kitchen on Sunday.
Up pops their version of Stairway .. and jolly good it was too.
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Post by FbrgVaStkFan on Mar 10, 2020 15:19:34 GMT
Let's give credit and compensation where it's due, but let's also admit that LZ made the songs/riffs/melodies/etc. 1000 times better than the originals.
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Post by jimmygscfc1234 on Mar 10, 2020 15:35:57 GMT
Let's give credit and compensation where it's due, but let's also admit that LZ made the songs/riffs/melodies/etc. 1000 times better than the originals. That's really not the point though, is it? |
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Post by trainstobrazil on Mar 10, 2020 19:49:48 GMT
I find these things quite interesting, I often wonder if they were purposely stolen.
If you listen to My Sweet Lord by George Harrison it has a very similar melody to He’s So Fine by The Chiffons.
Ed Sheeran’s song Photograph is almost identical to a song called Amazing by Matt Cardle.
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Post by AlliG on Mar 10, 2020 21:00:32 GMT
I find these things quite interesting, I often wonder if they were purposely stolen. If you listen to My Sweet Lord by George Harrison it has a very similar melody to He’s So Fine by The Chiffons. Ed Sheeran’s song Photograph is almost identical to a song called Amazing by Matt Cardle. Well as George Harrison was successfully sued for plagiarism by the writers of He's So Fine you might be right.  |
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Post by innocentbystander on Mar 10, 2020 21:15:36 GMT
Ed Sheeran’s song Photograph is almost identical to a song called Amazing by Matt Cardle. That's like saying the turd you just produced looks very much like the one I did this morning - your arse has copied mine. |
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Post by Clayton Wood on Oct 5, 2020 18:29:47 GMT
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Post by cobhamstokey on Oct 5, 2020 18:35:40 GMT
I thought this got kicked out of court in the first place because Zep proved that the start of it is just a scale progression and not really a riff ? Personaly, when music is out there and someone makes as good of a good job with your stuff, as you did, be happy you've influenced someone. Your music didn't sell wen you did it and someone put it to good use. You should be proud, not suing, again ! It's bullshit. Can't agree with that at all mate. Led Zeppelin were utter thieves, who quite literally stole the work of other artists. Have a listen to the two tracks below if you've got a min. Dazed and Confused comes from one of the biggest selling albums of all time, Led Zeppelin's debut album, the song has earned millions and milions in publishing royalties since it was first released in 1969 but it wasn't their song. It was originally written and recorded by Jake Holmes in 1967, the same year that he opened for the Yardbirds (of whom Jimmy Page was a member at the time) in New York. And Zeppelin just went and blatantly stole it off him (they didn't even change the title!) and claimed it as their own. And for the next 43 years Holmes didn't receive a single penny for the song and received no song writing credits. It wasn't until just six years ago (when he was well into his 70's) that he got an out of court settlement from Zeppelin and all future releases now credit him as the song writer. If he had got what had been due to him from the beginning then he would have had a completely different life and Zeppelin have blatantly ripped off Randy California (among others) too. There first album is still my favourite of all there albums with “How many more times” my favourite all time Zep track. One of the greatest bands ever. |
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Post by innocentbystander on Oct 5, 2020 20:03:20 GMT
Agree with Cobham that the first LZ is the best, amazing for 1969.
Danny Baker claims that Physical Graffiti is the best rock album ever, for me it has too many weak tracks alongside the classics (Kashmir, Trampled, Custard Pie)
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Post by musik on Oct 5, 2020 23:09:58 GMT
No wonder. It doesn't even have similarities. |
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Post by foster on Oct 6, 2020 7:33:10 GMT
Covers Stairway to heaven among others.
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