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Post by Frogger Theft Auto on Dec 6, 2018 17:07:59 GMT
I agree if the rematch goes the distance but with Wilder that one punch power can end fights before it goes to the judges. I'm not sure how Freddie would be able to influence Tyson on that as he's a big believer in not letting it go to the cards. I think Wilder might do better in a rematch. He improved as the fight went on, and I think a different trainer could get more out of him. He looped too many punches, and Fury was avoiding them. As soon as he punched a bit straighter, he knocked Fury down. Also, he wasn't consistent enough to the body, so straight away that's two areas he can improve on. Of course, Fury might get better, too, but that's as good as I have seen him to be honest. I don’t think Wilder has got any more in his locker, coaching or not. Catching a tired and unfocused Fury late on is about as good as I’ve seen Wilder at proper boxing, he’s a bit of a one-trick pony that’s always swinging like a maniac. Obviously it’s a good trick but he’s getting found out against the elite level. Fury was sharper for longer (and therefore better) against Klitschko and I reckon if he hadn’t had a while out and those two bum fights then he’d have seen out that fight without getting clocked by a far inferior fighter to Klitschko. I don’t think Wilder’s team would have taken the fight if they thought Fury was in top shape though, they seem to be protecting his titles something rotten.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Dec 6, 2018 19:01:31 GMT
I think Wilder might do better in a rematch. He improved as the fight went on, and I think a different trainer could get more out of him. He looped too many punches, and Fury was avoiding them. As soon as he punched a bit straighter, he knocked Fury down. Also, he wasn't consistent enough to the body, so straight away that's two areas he can improve on. Of course, Fury might get better, too, but that's as good as I have seen him to be honest. I don’t think Wilder has got any more in his locker, coaching or not. Catching a tired and unfocused Fury late on is about as good as I’ve seen Wilder at proper boxing, he’s a bit of a one-trick pony that’s always swinging like a maniac. Obviously it’s a good trick but he’s getting found out against the elite level. Fury was sharper for longer (and therefore better) against Klitschko and I reckon if he hadn’t had a while out and those two bum fights then he’d have seen out that fight without getting clocked by a far inferior fighter to Klitschko. I don’t think Wilder’s team would have taken the fight if they thought Fury was in top shape though, they seem to be protecting his titles something rotten. I certainly think Wilder is very limited. One trick pony does sum him up. Riddick Bowe reckons Joshua beats both him and Fury.
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 19, 2019 10:06:08 GMT
This is a brutal knock out but can we start seeing some proper fights next?
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Post by salopstick on May 19, 2019 10:10:16 GMT
This is a brutal knock out but can we start seeing some proper fights next? Until these three do a round robin with the potential of adding whyte This resurrected heavyweight division will go downhill just as fast I’m blaming Eddie Hearn. He’s been protecting Joshua far too long
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Post by sheikhmomo on May 19, 2019 10:16:19 GMT
This is a brutal knock out but can we start seeing some proper fights next? Until these three do a round robin with the potential of adding whyte This resurrected heavyweight division will go downhill just as fast I’m blaming Eddie Hearn. He’s been protecting Joshua far too long Yes Edward has been doing the rounds this week claiming this specimen is a valid opponent for Joshua next month! To be fair though, Fury's ESPN deal has complcated the picture a bit.
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Post by salopstick on May 19, 2019 10:17:15 GMT
I’d like to see a fury/joshua whyte/wilder semi final type affair leading to a winner takes all
Two first time fights with Potential for a final battle of potential rematches for both wilder and whyte or wilder Joshua first time affair
Then have an elimator with the beaten two. There. 2020 sorted
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Post by franklin66 on May 19, 2019 10:18:46 GMT
In my humble opinion AJ is by far the best heavyweight. It's a matter of politics which has stopped him taking all the belts.
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Post by Trouserdog on May 19, 2019 11:16:37 GMT
Unbelievable knockout from Wilder.
Everyone can talk about who beats who in the upper echelons of the heavyweight division, but if any boxer on the planet gets one of those Wilder bombs on the chin then they're hitting the canvas.
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Post by franklin66 on May 19, 2019 11:34:38 GMT
Unbelievable knockout from Wilder. Everyone can talk about who beats who in the upper echelons of the heavyweight division, but if any boxer on the planet gets one of those Wilder bombs on the chin then they're hitting the canvas. Yep but Fury got up and beat him.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 24, 2019 10:03:56 GMT
Another concussive blow from Wilder. Looks like Fury/Wilder is on in Feb.
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Post by salopstick on Nov 24, 2019 15:22:22 GMT
Another concussive blow from Wilder. Looks like Fury/Wilder is on in Feb. He’s wank. Just got one good hand. By all accounts got lucky last night
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Post by bigvern on Nov 24, 2019 16:59:43 GMT
He's absolute dynamite. Like he said, his opponents have to be perfect for 12 rounds, he has to be perfect for 2 seconds.
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Post by trickydicky73 on Nov 24, 2019 17:18:24 GMT
He's absolute dynamite. Like he said, his opponents have to be perfect for 12 rounds, he has to be perfect for 2 seconds. It wasn't a looping right, either, it was pretty short for him! Also, he was getting the range before that, and has developed a wicked left hook to the body.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2019 17:39:47 GMT
Another concussive blow from Wilder. Looks like Fury/Wilder is on in Feb. He’s wank. Just got one good hand. By all accounts got lucky last night He can afford to be wank if he gets one good shot in and KOs his opponent. There are better boxers technically, but nobody else in the division comes close to his power. I think Fury should be in a good place to take his belts in Feb though provided he doesn’t go in as light as he did in his last fight, but just one punch and Wilder can seemingly win any fight, so Tyson has to be perfect for 12 rounds.
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Post by serpico on Nov 24, 2019 17:56:53 GMT
If you're going to stand in front of wilder with no head movement and let him punch you so easily then yeh, he's going to knock you out eventually, technically wilder is pretty poor, he just has that big right hand, which is a considerable weapon but if you have a decent boxing brain is easy to avoid.. i'll also concede he has a good chin as well, but he's yet to beat a high calibre opponent, fury beat him and he knows it.
Wilder beats Joshua, Fury beats them both if his head is right.
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Post by Frogger Theft Auto on Nov 25, 2019 12:00:39 GMT
I think some of Wilder being a poor boxer is by design, his trainers probably don't want to fuck too much with the thing that has put him on top, the awkwardness and that ridiculous straight right. He might lose the lot if they improved his boxing.
Makes for interesting fights anyway and the division is great at the moment because of it. The top boxers Vs a ridiculous puncher.
Without that 7th round KO, seconds before the bell Wilder was going into the corner 7-0 down and had just started to get hurt - which I think is why he started throwing his right in a bit of a desperate panic. I was just starting to think that Ortiz was going to put him away in the 8th or 9th when he lost his concentration (which can happen from time to time when you're secretly 68), (it can also happen when you're head is turned pissing about in WWE and MMA). Bring on Fury II anyway.
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Post by serpico on Nov 25, 2019 13:55:44 GMT
I think some of Wilder being a poor boxer is by design, his trainers probably don't want to fuck too much with the thing that has put him on top, the awkwardness and that ridiculous straight right. He might lose the lot if they improved his boxing. Makes for interesting fights anyway and the division is great at the moment because of it. The top boxers Vs a ridiculous puncher. Without that 7th round KO, seconds before the bell Wilder was going into the corner 7-0 down and had just started to get hurt - which I think is why he started throwing his right in a bit of a desperate panic. I was just starting to think that Ortiz was going to put him away in the 8th or 9th when he lost his concentration (which can happen from time to time when you're secretly 68), (it can also happen when you're head is turned pissing about in WWE and MMA). Bring on Fury II anyway. Not sure its by design but rather stems from the fact he got into boxing late and had no real amateur career, he's not been properly schooled, i think the same probably goes for Joshua, both have massive power but lack in technical skills, wilder more so than Joshua.
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Post by Trouserdog on Nov 26, 2019 6:51:39 GMT
I think some of Wilder being a poor boxer is by design, his trainers probably don't want to fuck too much with the thing that has put him on top, the awkwardness and that ridiculous straight right. He might lose the lot if they improved his boxing. Makes for interesting fights anyway and the division is great at the moment because of it. The top boxers Vs a ridiculous puncher. Without that 7th round KO, seconds before the bell Wilder was going into the corner 7-0 down and had just started to get hurt - which I think is why he started throwing his right in a bit of a desperate panic. I was just starting to think that Ortiz was going to put him away in the 8th or 9th when he lost his concentration (which can happen from time to time when you're secretly 68), (it can also happen when you're head is turned pissing about in WWE and MMA). Bring on Fury II anyway. Not sure its by design but rather stems from the fact he got into boxing late and had no real amateur career, he's not been properly schooled, i think the same probably goes for Joshua, both have massive power but lack in technical skills, wilder more so than Joshua. Agree. Joshua's technical skills aren't great, but that's about the only advantage he has over Wilder.
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Post by Trouserdog on Nov 26, 2019 6:58:28 GMT
If you're going to stand in front of wilder with no head movement and let him punch you so easily then yeh, he's going to knock you out eventually, technically wilder is pretty poor, he just has that big right hand, which is a considerable weapon but if you have a decent boxing brain is easy to avoid.. i'll also concede he has a good chin as well, but he's yet to beat a high calibre opponent, fury beat him and he knows it. Wilder beats Joshua, Fury beats them both if his head is right. 'Easy to avoid' ??? Fury's the best ring technician there is and got floored twice by it. Ortiz isn't far behind and has also been on the receiving end twice. Wilder only has to land one punch in 36 minutes and chances are it's goodnight for whoever he's facing. The bloke has a massive reach and that punch comes in fast when he detonates it. You don't knock out 40 of 42 opponents if your big right hand is 'easy to avoid'.
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Post by serpico on Nov 26, 2019 8:54:05 GMT
If you're going to stand in front of wilder with no head movement and let him punch you so easily then yeh, he's going to knock you out eventually, technically wilder is pretty poor, he just has that big right hand, which is a considerable weapon but if you have a decent boxing brain is easy to avoid.. i'll also concede he has a good chin as well, but he's yet to beat a high calibre opponent, fury beat him and he knows it. Wilder beats Joshua, Fury beats them both if his head is right. 'Easy to avoid' ??? Fury's the best ring technician there is and got floored twice by it. Ortiz isn't far behind and has also been on the receiving end twice. Wilder only has to land one punch in 36 minutes and chances are it's goodnight for whoever he's facing. The bloke has a massive reach and that punch comes in fast when he detonates it. You don't knock out 40 of 42 opponents if your big right hand is 'easy to avoid'. Ok, maybe "easy to avoid" was a bit strong, but Fury had not had a competitive fight for 2+ years when he met wilder yet still, imo, outboxed wilder and beat him despite the two knock downs, i don't think a properly prepared 100% fit fury gets knocked down but we'll see. Ortiz is well over the hill, some claim he's much older than the 40 years he's billed, and i wouldn't be surprised if that was true, he certainly looks older than 40. Ortiz stood in range and practically allowed Wilder a free shot as did most of wilders previous opponents, Ortiz is wilders best win, and he's 40 years old, until he beats an elite heavyweight he can't be spoken of in the same breath as past greats. I'm not disputing wilders power, its immense, but a top tier HW should be able to mitigate it if they have a decent enough skill set, sure he'll knock the head off of any 'come forward plodder' in the division, thats cant be disputed.
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Post by borat on Nov 26, 2019 11:20:03 GMT
If wilder didn't have that power he wouldn't be in the top 500! Got to be technically the worst heavyweight champion of all time, he's so boring to watch, he just keeps the distance sticks his left hand out now and again, then waits for the 1 punch, don't get me wrong it works every time (except Fury who schooled him) but as a boxing fan it's wank to watch, hope Fury wins the rematch without corruption scores!
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Post by serpico on Nov 26, 2019 13:13:43 GMT
If wilder didn't have that power he wouldn't be in the top 500! Got to be technically the worst heavyweight champion of all time, he's so boring to watch, he just keeps the distance sticks his left hand out now and again, then waits for the 1 punch, don't get me wrong it works every time (except Fury who schooled him) but as a boxing fan it's wank to watch, hope Fury wins the rematch without corruption scores! yeh, he makes for a good knock out reel but his fights aren't exactly exciting affairs, i'd rather watch Joshua, his fights are invariably more entertaining to watch than wilders, he's also faced by far the better opponents despite having way fewer fights than wilder, wilders best win is against a past it 40 year old who's probably closer to 50.
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Post by neworleanstokie on Nov 26, 2019 13:33:38 GMT
I've seen Wilder fight 3 times (Szpilka, Stiverne, Braezeal-Barclays) and AJ once (Ruiz-MSG). Both entertaining fighters to watch in person but I disagree that Wilder isn't exciting.
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Post by Trouserdog on Nov 26, 2019 19:21:30 GMT
I've seen Wilder fight 3 times (Szpilka, Stiverne, Braezeal-Barclays) and AJ once (Ruiz-MSG). Both entertaining fighters to watch in person but I disagree that Wilder isn't exciting. Absolutely. I love watching Wilder due to the unpredictability factor: the Ko could come any time, and you're never sure when it's going to happen or how, only that it WILL happen- and when it does- fucking hell, you can't help but wince at the ferocity of it. People can talk about not beating a world class heavyweight, but how many fighters of that calibre are there out there? There are only ever 4 or 5 at most in any generation of fighters, and none of them meet that often due to the various mandatory challengers that the different organisations put forward. However, below that top tier (Wilder, Fury, AJ, arguably Usyk) there are many very, very good heavyweights capable of upsetting the odds (see Ruiz). Dominic Brezeale is a decent heavyweight (only defeat prior to Wilder was AJ), and I don't care how old Ortiz is, there are some respectable names on his CV as well. On his day, Wilder can beat anybody, and that's what makes him an exciting fighter. Fury will always outbox him; most of the top guys would, but would any of them be confident of even getting to the scorecards? it takes one slip of concentration and it's goodnight. While it might not always be exciting to watch someone staying out of range and trying to beat an opponent with technical ability, it's always intriguing.
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Post by neworleanstokie on Nov 27, 2019 13:10:56 GMT
I've seen Wilder fight 3 times (Szpilka, Stiverne, Braezeal-Barclays) and AJ once (Ruiz-MSG). Both entertaining fighters to watch in person but I disagree that Wilder isn't exciting. Absolutely. I love watching Wilder due to the unpredictability factor: the Ko could come any time, and you're never sure when it's going to happen or how, only that it WILL happen- and when it does- fucking hell, you can't help but wince at the ferocity of it. People can talk about not beating a world class heavyweight, but how many fighters of that calibre are there out there? There are only ever 4 or 5 at most in any generation of fighters, and none of them meet that often due to the various mandatory challengers that the different organisations put forward. However, below that top tier (Wilder, Fury, AJ, arguably Usyk) there are many very, very good heavyweights capable of upsetting the odds (see Ruiz). Dominic Brezeale is a decent heavyweight (only defeat prior to Wilder was AJ), and I don't care how old Ortiz is, there are some respectable names on his CV as well. On his day, Wilder can beat anybody, and that's what makes him an exciting fighter. Fury will always outbox him; most of the top guys would, but would any of them be confident of even getting to the scorecards? it takes one slip of concentration and it's goodnight. While it might not always be exciting to watch someone staying out of range and trying to beat an opponent with technical ability, it's always intriguing. Great post - completely agree with your analysis.
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Post by Goonie on Nov 27, 2019 17:05:16 GMT
One or two suggest Wilder is a terrible fighter technically- now that's one title he'll never earn
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