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Post by Gods on Sept 8, 2018 10:07:40 GMT
If you mean me I wasn't blaming the player. Just saying what an odd existence it must be. Paid beyond most peoples wildest dreams and yet you don't actually do anything. Even if by some miracle he did get fit is he not 'persona non grata' at Stoke City for some reason I never understood? Once again I think he is an accomplished player. Ultimately I suppose I'm just really disappointed, prime time Affelay would be a cut above anyone in the Championship at any club full stop. But its just another thing in a long list of things that is hugely expensive and not happening for us right now. Second and third choice goalkeepers always get me. Carlo Nash had a 20 year long career and played about 12 games. Richard Wright, Stuart Taylor and to a degree Lee Grant have been the same and probably earned more than any of us do in a year in just a few weeks. I know, it must be strange to tell folks you are a professional football goalkeeper and then if pressed have to go on to explain you never actually keep goal!
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Post by greyman on Sept 8, 2018 10:12:48 GMT
Bit harsh on Richard Wright. Played 450 professional games.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Sept 8, 2018 10:20:07 GMT
Yes there are some proper 'Likely Lads' at Stoke at the moment aren't there?
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Post by pottersrule on Sept 8, 2018 10:24:54 GMT
Stop blaming the player - it is the club that dictated and / or agreed to these terms - so Coates and his band of bruvvers are squarely to blame Who has blamed him?
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Post by GoBoks on Sept 8, 2018 11:08:15 GMT
Do you think anyone would play for the club if they were told to go put their bodies on the line week after week but if you get injured, tough luck we’re not paying you? So in what alternate universe is it Coates’ fault? Not what I meant - Ts and Cs should cover reasonable levels of incapacity of course as in any walk of life - what's being alleged in this thread is that the Affalay situation appears to go beyond that and moreover could be subject to abuse - disclaimer - I know nothing of either of these allegations BUT if anything is founded there is only one person to blame, or one "body" perhaps......you cannot blame a player or his agent for signing a generous contract If a person who only has half of one brain cell alleges that the sky is black ( at midday with no clouds in sight and it’s not a total eclipse) are you going to engage and try and debate that the sky is blue? In this thread, it is said that the club is paying the wages of injured players. You claim that’s Coates’ fault and now try to deflect that they should provide coverage. What does that have anything to do with paying an injured players salary. Do you propose that we keep 2 spare players on the books ( and pay their wages for doing nothing most of the time) instead of having a number of utility players that can cover in event of injuries ( which we have done). I’m all for laying blame where it belongs, but not everything that goes wrong can be blamed on Coates.
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Post by wearepremierleague on Sept 8, 2018 11:55:02 GMT
Afellay is one of them players that stoke fans who have never actually played football don’t like, see Nzonzi. But I’m reality was a mustard footballer, a key part of ‘Stokelona’ and would be a very good player to have now
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Post by kidcrewbob on Sept 8, 2018 12:42:15 GMT
Not what I meant - Ts and Cs should cover reasonable levels of incapacity of course as in any walk of life - what's being alleged in this thread is that the Affalay situation appears to go beyond that and moreover could be subject to abuse - disclaimer - I know nothing of either of these allegations BUT if anything is founded there is only one person to blame, or one "body" perhaps......you cannot blame a player or his agent for signing a generous contract If a person who only has half of one brain cell alleges that the sky is black ( at midday with no clouds in sight and it’s not a total eclipse) are you going to engage and try and debate that the sky is blue? In this thread, it is said that the club is paying the wages of injured players. You claim that’s Coates’ fault and now try to deflect that they should provide coverage. What does that have anything to do with paying an injured players salary. Do you propose that we keep 2 spare players on the books ( and pay their wages for doing nothing most of the time) instead of having a number of utility players that can cover in event of injuries ( which we have done). I’m all for laying blame where it belongs, but not everything that goes wrong can be blamed on Coates. No - I'm saying if, as some are suggesting, we are paying / keeping players too long "on the sick" or not incentivising recovery perhaps then this is down to our management team and ultimately Coates for not having tight enough contracts drawn up - that is all. And before you start I do not know one way or the other whether this is the case with Affeley - just don't blame the player (and if no-one is then fine).
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Post by dirtygary69 on Sept 8, 2018 14:02:48 GMT
Bit harsh on Richard Wright. Played 450 professional games. Fuck him.
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Post by greyman on Sept 8, 2018 18:37:35 GMT
Bit harsh on Richard Wright. Played 450 professional games. Fuck him. Yeah I know. Those facts getting in the way of your opinion?
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Post by stokerstayinup on Sept 8, 2018 19:20:11 GMT
If you mean me I wasn't blaming the player. Just saying what an odd existence it must be. Paid beyond most peoples wildest dreams and yet you don't actually do anything. Even if by some miracle he did get fit is he not 'persona non grata' at Stoke City for some reason I never understood? Once again I think he is an accomplished player. Ultimately I suppose I'm just really disappointed, prime time Affelay would be a cut above anyone in the Championship at any club full stop. But its just another thing in a long list of things that is hugely expensive and not happening for us right now. Second and third choice goalkeepers always get me. Carlo Nash had a 20 year long career and played about 12 games. Richard Wright, Stuart Taylor and to a degree Lee Grant have been the same and probably earned more than any of us do in a year in just a few weeks. Well done for sticking Taylor in there cause the other 3 have made around 1200 appearances between them
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Post by dirtygary69 on Sept 8, 2018 19:35:37 GMT
Second and third choice goalkeepers always get me. Carlo Nash had a 20 year long career and played about 12 games. Richard Wright, Stuart Taylor and to a degree Lee Grant have been the same and probably earned more than any of us do in a year in just a few weeks. Well done for sticking Taylor in there cause the other 3 have made around 1200 appearances between them Early on in their careers definitely but towards the end of their careers, they stick around for years doing next to nothing. Raymond van der Gouw and Steve Harper may be better examples to use but my point about second and third choice keepers still stands.
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Post by dirtygary69 on Sept 8, 2018 19:36:55 GMT
Yeah I know. Those facts getting in the way of your opinion? Are you really getting touchy over this? I was only taking the piss, it was a bad example although if you look at the final 6 or 7 years of his career you’ll see what I mean.
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Post by greyman on Sept 8, 2018 19:53:09 GMT
It's not me who's touchy :-). Obviously
Raymond van der Gouw and Steve Harper? 800 appearances.
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Post by onionman on Sept 8, 2018 19:57:53 GMT
Pegguy Arphexad, 39 career appearances in 16 years.
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Post by cobhamstokey on Sept 8, 2018 20:56:44 GMT
Still don’t know what his injury is.
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Post by Gary Hackett on Sept 9, 2018 0:13:00 GMT
Still don’t know what his injury is. Broken dreams
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Post by GoBoks on Sept 9, 2018 10:37:44 GMT
If a person who only has half of one brain cell alleges that the sky is black ( at midday with no clouds in sight and it’s not a total eclipse) are you going to engage and try and debate that the sky is blue? In this thread, it is said that the club is paying the wages of injured players. You claim that’s Coates’ fault and now try to deflect that they should provide coverage. What does that have anything to do with paying an injured players salary. Do you propose that we keep 2 spare players on the books ( and pay their wages for doing nothing most of the time) instead of having a number of utility players that can cover in event of injuries ( which we have done). I’m all for laying blame where it belongs, but not everything that goes wrong can be blamed on Coates. No - I'm saying if, as some are suggesting, we are paying / keeping players too long "on the sick" or not incentivising recovery perhaps then this is down to our management team and ultimately Coates for not having tight enough contracts drawn up - that is all. And before you start I do not know one way or the other whether this is the case with Affeley - just don't blame the player (and if no-one is then fine). Equally don't blame the management. There are cases of players feigning injury or not looking after themselves because they just couldn't be bothered. There are cases of extremely stupid financial decision making by management. In this case neither you nor I know the truth, so rather than hurling rocks at either party, let's just agree it's a shame and move on with SUPPORTING our club (players and management)
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Post by kidcrewbob on Sept 9, 2018 11:12:18 GMT
No - I'm saying if, as some are suggesting, we are paying / keeping players too long "on the sick" or not incentivising recovery perhaps then this is down to our management team and ultimately Coates for not having tight enough contracts drawn up - that is all. And before you start I do not know one way or the other whether this is the case with Affeley - just don't blame the player (and if no-one is then fine). Equally don't blame the management. There are cases of players feigning injury or not looking after themselves because they just couldn't be bothered. There are cases of extremely stupid financial decision making by management. In this case neither you nor I know the truth, so rather than hurling rocks at either party, let's just agree it's a shame and move on with SUPPORTING our club (players and management) IF is the operative word here
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Post by GoBoks on Sept 10, 2018 0:47:54 GMT
Equally don't blame the management. There are cases of players feigning injury or not looking after themselves because they just couldn't be bothered. There are cases of extremely stupid financial decision making by management. In this case neither you nor I know the truth, so rather than hurling rocks at either party, let's just agree it's a shame and move on with SUPPORTING our club (players and management) IF is the operative word here So don't blame the player IF they are the problem (which we don't know) But do blame the management even though there is a huge IF there too? OK
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Post by kidcrewbob on Sept 10, 2018 6:27:59 GMT
IF is the operative word here So don't blame the player IF they are the problem (which we don't know) But do blame the management even though there is a huge IF there too? OK Nearly right ! - don't blame the player if they are abiding by and fulfilling the terms of the contract however would be subject to criticism if there was evidence of abusing or twisting the terms in any way. Do blame the management IF the contract is either poorly written, ambiguous or otherwise invites chicanery from players thus inclined..... There is no evidence for either in this I might add and I've never suggested there was. Thank you
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Post by estima1972 on Sept 10, 2018 6:29:53 GMT
It's probably easiest to blame Coates so he can just tell us he doesn't know what the fuss is all about before we move on to another disastrous chapter.
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