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Post by Scrotnig on Aug 29, 2018 16:04:38 GMT
He certainly hasn't won me over yet, however I will always throw my weight behind anyone in a Stoke shirt, especially if they score, and he now HAS scored.
Of course it needs to be the first of many but you have to start somewhere and he's started last night.
I've been one of his fiercest critics and still will be if he doesn't deliver the goods. His poor attitude for the past season and a half means he has twice as much to do to win people over, however I'm willing to embrace him if he really has changed and starts scoring regularly.
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Aug 29, 2018 16:12:58 GMT
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Post by Absolution on Aug 29, 2018 16:12:58 GMT
It's great that he's finally scored however I'm more impressed that he's playing well in each game. He's now an asset. Four good games in a row now. Not suggesting we give him a medal, but it's a hell of an improvement from the bloke who previously looked lost on a football pitch.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 16:34:58 GMT
It’s funny how in this new role he is playing slightly deeper where scoring goals isn’t his sole job anymore therefore the pressure is off him slightly as GR will judge him on the other aspects of his game he actually scores a goal. It’s clear that it’s clicking for him this season with the new manager, coaches (Phillips), position, not being the sole striker. I expect he’ll play a big part of our season now and I wouldn’t be surprised if he manages to score 10+ goals. Hard work pays off! The last time Berahino played in this role regularly he scored 20 odd goals in a premier league season. He's barely been played in this role since. When looking at his drop in form it is important not just to look at his own faults, but the total fucking incompetence of the managers and coaches he has worked under until now. It seems only kevin Phillips has taken the trouble to think about how to get the best from Berahino
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Aug 29, 2018 16:46:02 GMT
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 29, 2018 16:46:02 GMT
I've just stuck a tenner on him at 66/1 for championship top goalscorer. Sky bet are offering 80's but not a member.
Come on now saido let's get firing 😎
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Aug 29, 2018 18:45:04 GMT
Post by owdestokie2 on Aug 29, 2018 18:45:04 GMT
Berahino to score against the Baggies 😬 Let’s hope we see another goal before the return of Haley’s comet.
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Aug 29, 2018 19:21:20 GMT
Post by thegrassyknoll on Aug 29, 2018 19:21:20 GMT
Well a weeks a long time in football !, well done to saido and I hope the floodgates have opened, but hands up who saw saido as a N/o 10 ? So massive credit has to go to Rowett who saw something that most of us didn’t . or Kevin Phillips? He has been working with Saido on a daily basis apparently. Superb work though. He looks reborn. He's been consistently one of our best players for 3 or so games now. Long may it continue. Phillips knew SB when they were both at WBAFC, so he was not starting from scratch. SB has said what an example KP was to him as a kid. WBA did try to use SB as a 10, but he did not provide any spark for the team. Often caught in possession, his link-up play was deficient and his passing was erratic. However, that was after his goals had dried up, and he was searching for confidence (which he never found). Perhaps the exile from goal scoring has allowed him to develop his all round game, which was definitely missing when he played in an Albion shirt.
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Aug 29, 2018 19:32:08 GMT
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Post by Absolution on Aug 29, 2018 19:32:08 GMT
or Kevin Phillips? He has been working with Saido on a daily basis apparently. Superb work though. He looks reborn. He's been consistently one of our best players for 3 or so games now. Long may it continue. Phillips knew SB when they were both at WBAFC, so he was not starting from scratch. SB has said what an example KP was to him as a kid. WBA did try to use SB as a 10, but he did not provide any spark for the team. Often caught in possession, his link-up play was deficient and his passing was erratic. However, that was after his goals had dried up, and he was searching for confidence (which he never found). Perhaps the exile from goal scoring has allowed him to develop his all round game, which was definitely missing when he played in an Albion shirt.
He just looked like a nothing player until this season. No great control of the ball, no real link up play, no vision, no goal threat, nothing. It's not like he appeared to be honing his other skills while being unable to score. He was useless generally. Credit to him for finally appearing to be getting his act together, but it's only happened since Phillips has got hold of him. For the first time since he joined us, he looks like he's enjoying himself.
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Aug 29, 2018 20:18:24 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 20:18:24 GMT
or Kevin Phillips? He has been working with Saido on a daily basis apparently. Superb work though. He looks reborn. He's been consistently one of our best players for 3 or so games now. Long may it continue. Phillips knew SB when they were both at WBAFC, so he was not starting from scratch. SB has said what an example KP was to him as a kid. WBA did try to use SB as a 10, but he did not provide any spark for the team. Often caught in possession, his link-up play was deficient and his passing was erratic. However, that was after his goals had dried up, and he was searching for confidence (which he never found). Perhaps the exile from goal scoring has allowed him to develop his all round game, which was definitely missing when he played in an Albion shirt.
Not entirely fair. He played along with another striker and smashed it at WBA. Summer of 2015 it all went wrong with the transfer business, there was also bids from Newcastle that following winter that was turned down. Look at the facts, stats appearances. He hardly played during that time. At least he hardly started. 2015-2016 he played and scored against Villa, then was left out for over three months by pulis. Pulis was doing his routine of completely cutting out the player, so I'm not sure how you can talk about his performance levels at that time without putting it in context? For me, looking at facts, last time he was played regularly as part of a front two he smashed it, scored a shit load of goals at premier league level, and I feel he could be on the verge of resurrecting his career
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Aug 29, 2018 23:02:16 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2018 23:02:16 GMT
What a load of crap, no season in this league is good, the gap between us and the rest is just opening up again. Its given us the opportunity to regroup and build a solid outfit instead of keep chucking mud at the wall hoping something will stick and buying players soley because they have a short contract then try to shoehorn them into the group to create a team. We completely lost the plot and direction of which way we were going, it was a complete cluster fuck in the end with one window spent trying to repair the damage of the last window. Me personally, I don't care if we fall way behind in the pecking order for another group of " not good enough for the top teams, but i'll happily take a wage off stoke" mercenaries. Regardless of how successful we are by doing it I'd like to think upon return to the premiership our idea of a good player is a whole different idea than last time. By then i'd like to think we have vast knowledge of the lower leagues and players that see stoke as a step up instead of a pay day. Obviously it won't happen under rowett's reign but in future, if the silly money of the premiership continues instead of paying vastly over the odds for average players and players who see us as a last resort i'd like us to spend the lions share on buying the best youth & top clubs U23's players and become a club known for chucking them in which in turn would make it easier to attract them. This won't happen with a manager tasked with finishing as high as possible, this would happen by promoting within as a head coach to manage the team. It's the way forward imo There was only one problem Coates pulled the rug , Self sufficiency is why we went down hill, nothing else.
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Post by mrcoke on Aug 29, 2018 23:29:19 GMT
Its given us the opportunity to regroup and build a solid outfit instead of keep chucking mud at the wall hoping something will stick and buying players soley because they have a short contract then try to shoehorn them into the group to create a team. We completely lost the plot and direction of which way we were going, it was a complete cluster fuck in the end with one window spent trying to repair the damage of the last window. Me personally, I don't care if we fall way behind in the pecking order for another group of " not good enough for the top teams, but i'll happily take a wage off stoke" mercenaries. Regardless of how successful we are by doing it I'd like to think upon return to the premiership our idea of a good player is a whole different idea than last time. By then i'd like to think we have vast knowledge of the lower leagues and players that see stoke as a step up instead of a pay day. Obviously it won't happen under rowett's reign but in future, if the silly money of the premiership continues instead of paying vastly over the odds for average players and players who see us as a last resort i'd like us to spend the lions share on buying the best youth & top clubs U23's players and become a club known for chucking them in which in turn would make it easier to attract them. This won't happen with a manager tasked with finishing as high as possible, this would happen by promoting within as a head coach to manage the team. It's the way forward imo There was only one problem Coates pulled the rug , Self sufficiency is why we went down hill, nothing else. Sorry that's rubbish. How can you say the club have not backed the management. Apart from huge outlays on Berahino, Imbula, Wimmer, and Shaq in the past, the club have made massive outlays on expensive loans for players on huge wages Bony, Jese, Zouma and others. There have been other players we went after like Lemina and Delph (loan) but failed to attract. There is no way Coates has "pulled the rug", he has coughed up whenever needed. The failures have been down to rank bad management; buying/loaning players who have failed to perform - the list is endless, poor levels of fitness, lack of discipline, and bazaar team selections and substitutions. The only way Coates is to blame is to allow the bad management to persist for so long.
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Aug 30, 2018 1:45:50 GMT
Post by thegrassyknoll on Aug 30, 2018 1:45:50 GMT
Phillips knew SB when they were both at WBAFC, so he was not starting from scratch. SB has said what an example KP was to him as a kid. WBA did try to use SB as a 10, but he did not provide any spark for the team. Often caught in possession, his link-up play was deficient and his passing was erratic. However, that was after his goals had dried up, and he was searching for confidence (which he never found). Perhaps the exile from goal scoring has allowed him to develop his all round game, which was definitely missing when he played in an Albion shirt.
Not entirely fair. He played along with another striker and smashed it at WBA. Summer of 2015 it all went wrong with the transfer business, there was also bids from Newcastle that following winter that was turned down. Look at the facts, stats appearances. He hardly played during that time. At least he hardly started. 2015-2016 he played and scored against Villa, then was left out for over three months by pulis. Pulis was doing his routine of completely cutting out the player, so I'm not sure how you can talk about his performance levels at that time without putting it in context? For me, looking at facts, last time he was played regularly as part of a front two he smashed it, scored a shit load of goals at premier league level, and I feel he could be on the verge of resurrecting his career Not fair? Sorry, but I have the advantage of seeing every home game that SB ever played for WBA, and a fair number of his away performances too.
He has never scored 20 Greed League goals - 14 in 14/15 is his best. The 20 goals you mention includes a FA Cup hat trick against Newport. The Villa goal was a deflection. Pulis did not shun SB in 15/16, as he was trying to get him back on track. Included in over 30 games, even though he continued to display indiscipline.
He may well be or become an effective 10 for SCFC, but he never performed well in that role in an Albion shirt.
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Aug 30, 2018 5:57:56 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 5:57:56 GMT
Not entirely fair. He played along with another striker and smashed it at WBA. Summer of 2015 it all went wrong with the transfer business, there was also bids from Newcastle that following winter that was turned down. Look at the facts, stats appearances. He hardly played during that time. At least he hardly started. 2015-2016 he played and scored against Villa, then was left out for over three months by pulis. Pulis was doing his routine of completely cutting out the player, so I'm not sure how you can talk about his performance levels at that time without putting it in context? For me, looking at facts, last time he was played regularly as part of a front two he smashed it, scored a shit load of goals at premier league level, and I feel he could be on the verge of resurrecting his career Not fair? Sorry, but I have the advantage of seeing every home game that SB ever played for WBA, and a fair number of his away performances too.
He has never scored 20 Greed League goals - 14 in 14/15 is his best. The 20 goals you mention includes a FA Cup hat trick against Newport. The Villa goal was a deflection. Pulis did not shun SB in 15/16, as he was trying to get him back on track. Included in over 30 games, even though he continued to display indiscipline.
He may well be or become an effective 10 for SCFC, but he never performed well in that role in an Albion shirt.
He played as part of a front two when he scored those goals, playing off a main striker. He hardly started any of those games after the transfer saga, never having a run of games starting in his favoured position. I watched a lot of wba games at the time too and followed him closely
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Aug 30, 2018 6:50:40 GMT
There was only one problem Coates pulled the rug , Self sufficiency is why we went down hill, nothing else. Sorry that's rubbish. How can you say the club have not backed the management. Apart from huge outlays on Berahino, Imbula, Wimmer, and Shaq in the past, the club have made massive outlays on expensive loans for players on huge wages Bony, Jese, Zouma and others. There have been other players we went after like Lemina and Delph (loan) but failed to attract. There is no way Coates has "pulled the rug", he has coughed up whenever needed. The failures have been down to rank bad management; buying/loaning players who have failed to perform - the list is endless, poor levels of fitness, lack of discipline, and bazaar team selections and substitutions. The only way Coates is to blame is to allow the bad management to persist for so long. Agreed. I'm sure that, if you exclude the regular top 6/7 in the Prem, then during the past 3 seasons the remaining 12 clubs will contain as many squads which had less spent on them as those who spent more on them than we did. So, the current Premier League probably contains at least 6 clubs who spent less than we did. Our problem was never lack of financial support for our managers but unwise spending of resources. It wasn't just that we bought a few duds - it was more that, with very few exceptions, our most expensive players (on long contracts) turned out to be the biggest flops. That was nothing to do with "Coates pulling the rug" - and everything to do with the board not stepping in early enough to stop the rot. Essentially the rot set in around the time of the League Cup semi final defeat to Liverpool - the alarm bells should have been ringing to force action to be taken by the following summer. Yes, I am talking with hindsight - but lack of spending was not what contributed to us being where we are now - far from it.
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Aug 30, 2018 6:52:33 GMT
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 30, 2018 6:52:33 GMT
Its given us the opportunity to regroup and build a solid outfit instead of keep chucking mud at the wall hoping something will stick and buying players soley because they have a short contract then try to shoehorn them into the group to create a team. We completely lost the plot and direction of which way we were going, it was a complete cluster fuck in the end with one window spent trying to repair the damage of the last window. Me personally, I don't care if we fall way behind in the pecking order for another group of " not good enough for the top teams, but i'll happily take a wage off stoke" mercenaries. Regardless of how successful we are by doing it I'd like to think upon return to the premiership our idea of a good player is a whole different idea than last time. By then i'd like to think we have vast knowledge of the lower leagues and players that see stoke as a step up instead of a pay day. Obviously it won't happen under rowett's reign but in future, if the silly money of the premiership continues instead of paying vastly over the odds for average players and players who see us as a last resort i'd like us to spend the lions share on buying the best youth & top clubs U23's players and become a club known for chucking them in which in turn would make it easier to attract them. This won't happen with a manager tasked with finishing as high as possible, this would happen by promoting within as a head coach to manage the team. It's the way forward imo There was only one problem Coates pulled the rug , Self sufficiency is why we went down hill, nothing else. Don't agree, sorry. Think we could have tried harder and we could have definatly done a lot more homework on potential signings. We seemed to just pick.them out of a hat with very little knowledge, that's very poor for a premier league club. With the riches at stake you would expect to have a vast knowledge of a lot of leagues and players not just a list of who is on offer with 2 years left on their contract and an attitude of "oh look they have played for such & such a club they must be good" Mark Hughes is also a big part of the reason we were relegated, he was trying to be man United on a stoke city f.c budget. He was happy picking up the trash of bigger European clubs, they're trash for a reason. It seems he was also a yes man. What manager worth his salt is satisfied with half fit players aswell? Mark Hughes is just a lazy, lazy manager.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 8:09:10 GMT
Its given us the opportunity to regroup and build a solid outfit instead of keep chucking mud at the wall hoping something will stick and buying players soley because they have a short contract then try to shoehorn them into the group to create a team. We completely lost the plot and direction of which way we were going, it was a complete cluster fuck in the end with one window spent trying to repair the damage of the last window. Me personally, I don't care if we fall way behind in the pecking order for another group of " not good enough for the top teams, but i'll happily take a wage off stoke" mercenaries. Regardless of how successful we are by doing it I'd like to think upon return to the premiership our idea of a good player is a whole different idea than last time. By then i'd like to think we have vast knowledge of the lower leagues and players that see stoke as a step up instead of a pay day. Obviously it won't happen under rowett's reign but in future, if the silly money of the premiership continues instead of paying vastly over the odds for average players and players who see us as a last resort i'd like us to spend the lions share on buying the best youth & top clubs U23's players and become a club known for chucking them in which in turn would make it easier to attract them. This won't happen with a manager tasked with finishing as high as possible, this would happen by promoting within as a head coach to manage the team. It's the way forward imo There was only one problem Coates pulled the rug , Self sufficiency is why we went down hill, nothing else. Nothing to do with spending a shit load of money on the wrong players then 🤔
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Aug 30, 2018 8:16:07 GMT
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 30, 2018 8:16:07 GMT
An anology of our transfer policy of the past few years is like going into asda and shopping in the 'whoops, reduced' section. Value shopping, or more 'an attempt' at value shopping. The packet says supermarket 'finest', only these sections either have either a dented tin, a short shelf life or something missing.
It might not be exactly what you need or went into buy but hey, who can knock an asda 'finest' loaf of wholemeal bread at half the original price, even if it does mean eating wholemeal bread & butter with your fish & chips, this is the finest, it says so on the packet
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Aug 30, 2018 8:50:45 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 8:50:45 GMT
Watched his interview last night and he looks noticeably thinner in the face, as if he is in much better shape.
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Aug 30, 2018 11:54:28 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 11:54:28 GMT
There was only one problem Coates pulled the rug , Self sufficiency is why we went down hill, nothing else. Sorry that's rubbish. How can you say the club have not backed the management. Apart from huge outlays on Berahino, Imbula, Wimmer, and Shaq in the past, the club have made massive outlays on expensive loans for players on huge wages Bony, Jese, Zouma and others. There have been other players we went after like Lemina and Delph (loan) but failed to attract. There is no way Coates has "pulled the rug", he has coughed up whenever needed. The failures have been down to rank bad management; buying/loaning players who have failed to perform - the list is endless, poor levels of fitness, lack of discipline, and bazaar team selections and substitutions. The only way Coates is to blame is to allow the bad management to persist for so long. Huge my arse! Our club record transfer is £18 million for a club that finished 9th 3 seasons in a row that is PATHETIC and clearly shows a total lack of ambition, while always talking about the next level the truth was that we tried to do it on a shoe string budget. Bournemouth have a higher record signing than us , yes that huge club Bournemouth. talksport.com/football/407542/bournemouth-club-record-signing-jefferson-lerma/When did we spend £100 million in a season on players? that is what was needed for next level, we lacked the stars and the depth of quality in the squad to reach any higher. We still cling to players that have been past their sell by date for 3 seasons then wonder why no one wants our players. Good God I bet our transfer team still wear Tank Tops and Budgie Jackets. Face the truth we are an old fashioned club run by an old fashioned man and his cronies who place loyalty above performance. It's not all about spend if you have an academy that can discover players but hey, Ours is shit and has produced NO ONE of note a complete waste of time and investment. Was Bojan, Arni, Shaqiri and N'zonzi Rank bad management or did they represent the best period in our clubs history since the 70's? You say Coates is to blame for overseeing the bad management, then tell me WHY is he still doing exactly the same. Our players are still unfit.
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Aug 30, 2018 12:26:56 GMT
Post by westgatelakes on Aug 30, 2018 12:26:56 GMT
Revival - have a look at other team`s record transfers and total outlay on players over the past few years - Newcastle, Crystal Palace & Burnley for example & then re-assess whether our relegation happened because of a lack of ambition or rank bad management.
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Aug 30, 2018 15:10:48 GMT
Post by FullerMagic on Aug 30, 2018 15:10:48 GMT
Strong hint from Rowett in the press conference he'll be on the bench on Saturday because WBA present a "different tactical challenge" nad he's reluctant to go in with 2 strikers!
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Aug 30, 2018 15:27:57 GMT
Post by mrcoke on Aug 30, 2018 15:27:57 GMT
Sorry that's rubbish. How can you say the club have not backed the management. Apart from huge outlays on Berahino, Imbula, Wimmer, and Shaq in the past, the club have made massive outlays on expensive loans for players on huge wages Bony, Jese, Zouma and others. There have been other players we went after like Lemina and Delph (loan) but failed to attract. There is no way Coates has "pulled the rug", he has coughed up whenever needed. The failures have been down to rank bad management; buying/loaning players who have failed to perform - the list is endless, poor levels of fitness, lack of discipline, and bazaar team selections and substitutions. The only way Coates is to blame is to allow the bad management to persist for so long. Huge my arse! Our club record transfer is £18 million for a club that finished 9th 3 seasons in a row that is PATHETIC and clearly shows a total lack of ambition, while always talking about the next level the truth was that we tried to do it on a shoe string budget. Bournemouth have a higher record signing than us , yes that huge club Bournemouth. talksport.com/football/407542/bournemouth-club-record-signing-jefferson-lerma/When did we spend £100 million in a season on players? that is what was needed for next level, we lacked the stars and the depth of quality in the squad to reach any higher. We still cling to players that have been past their sell by date for 3 seasons then wonder why no one wants our players. Good God I bet our transfer team still wear Tank Tops and Budgie Jackets. Face the truth we are an old fashioned club run by an old fashioned man and his cronies who place loyalty above performance. It's not all about spend if you have an academy that can discover players but hey, Ours is shit and has produced NO ONE of note a complete waste of time and investment. Was Bojan, Arni, Shaqiri and N'zonzi Rank bad management or did they represent the best period in our clubs history since the 70's? You say Coates is to blame for overseeing the bad management, then tell me WHY is he still doing exactly the same. Our players are still unfit. 1. I think you need to look at the actual income of Stoke City not the three 9th places. Bournemouth have spent very little in the previous 2 seasons. 2. I agree about the academy. 3. The 4 players you mention are just 4 out of how many? Three of them left as soon as they could having had their careers renewed at Stoke. None of them were bought as "successful" players, but players with problems, so we got them cheap. Players are not fit? Where is the evidence for that? 4. Stoke's total income in the Prem was little more than £100m, most of which was consumed in wages. Spending £100m in transfers in a season is a pipe dream.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 16:11:47 GMT
A season or two in this league will do us good, we needed it because we had lost our way. We will get rid of the shite and mercenaries go up a better team What a load of crap, no season in this league is good, the gap between us and the rest is just opening up again. Why not? I've already had more fun this season than the entirety of last season altogether. Football is about entertainment mate, of course we all want to be in the top league, but at the end of the day it's about the rollercoaster. I'm more excited about a season in this league than i would have been had we finished 17th and stayed up.
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Aug 30, 2018 16:32:55 GMT
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 30, 2018 16:32:55 GMT
Sorry that's rubbish. How can you say the club have not backed the management. Apart from huge outlays on Berahino, Imbula, Wimmer, and Shaq in the past, the club have made massive outlays on expensive loans for players on huge wages Bony, Jese, Zouma and others. There have been other players we went after like Lemina and Delph (loan) but failed to attract. There is no way Coates has "pulled the rug", he has coughed up whenever needed. The failures have been down to rank bad management; buying/loaning players who have failed to perform - the list is endless, poor levels of fitness, lack of discipline, and bazaar team selections and substitutions. The only way Coates is to blame is to allow the bad management to persist for so long. Huge my arse! Our club record transfer is £18 million for a club that finished 9th 3 seasons in a row that is PATHETIC and clearly shows a total lack of ambition, while always talking about the next level the truth was that we tried to do it on a shoe string budget. Bournemouth have a higher record signing than us , yes that huge club Bournemouth. talksport.com/football/407542/bournemouth-club-record-signing-jefferson-lerma/When did we spend £100 million in a season on players? that is what was needed for next level, we lacked the stars and the depth of quality in the squad to reach any higher. We still cling to players that have been past their sell by date for 3 seasons then wonder why no one wants our players. Good God I bet our transfer team still wear Tank Tops and Budgie Jackets. Face the truth we are an old fashioned club run by an old fashioned man and his cronies who place loyalty above performance. It's not all about spend if you have an academy that can discover players but hey, Ours is shit and has produced NO ONE of note a complete waste of time and investment. Was Bojan, Arni, Shaqiri and N'zonzi Rank bad management or did they represent the best period in our clubs history since the 70's? You say Coates is to blame for overseeing the bad management, then tell me WHY is he still doing exactly the same. Our players are still unfit. It's catch 22 though, it's all good and well spending big money on players to show ambition but it comes with it's drawbacks as we have seen first hand. The only 30 million player we would be signing is one a club are desperate to replace for whatever reason and there are no other takers, otherwise a £30m player wouldn't be interested in stoke. Do we want that 30m player if that's the case? What £30m players would entertain stoke as a good option in reality? It's a mugs game clubs our size spending that much on one player
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Aug 30, 2018 18:06:20 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 18:06:20 GMT
Huge my arse! Our club record transfer is £18 million for a club that finished 9th 3 seasons in a row that is PATHETIC and clearly shows a total lack of ambition, while always talking about the next level the truth was that we tried to do it on a shoe string budget. Bournemouth have a higher record signing than us , yes that huge club Bournemouth. talksport.com/football/407542/bournemouth-club-record-signing-jefferson-lerma/When did we spend £100 million in a season on players? that is what was needed for next level, we lacked the stars and the depth of quality in the squad to reach any higher. We still cling to players that have been past their sell by date for 3 seasons then wonder why no one wants our players. Good God I bet our transfer team still wear Tank Tops and Budgie Jackets. Face the truth we are an old fashioned club run by an old fashioned man and his cronies who place loyalty above performance. It's not all about spend if you have an academy that can discover players but hey, Ours is shit and has produced NO ONE of note a complete waste of time and investment. Was Bojan, Arni, Shaqiri and N'zonzi Rank bad management or did they represent the best period in our clubs history since the 70's? You say Coates is to blame for overseeing the bad management, then tell me WHY is he still doing exactly the same. Our players are still unfit. It's catch 22 though, it's all good and well spending big money on players to show ambition but it comes with it's drawbacks as we have seen first hand. The only 30 million player we would be signing is one a club are desperate to replace for whatever reason and there are no other takers, otherwise a £30m player wouldn't be interested in stoke. Do we want that 30m player if that's the case? What £30m players would entertain stoke as a good option in reality? It's a mugs game clubs our size spending that much on one player Oh please not the "Little old Stoke argument again. £30 million is nothing for a striker in the prem and that's where we were. We bought cheap and free with the intention of making a profit and came unstuck time after time. "Buy the best quality you can afford, you'll end up paying twice as much with cheap muck" those are the values my Grandma drilled into me and she was right.
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Aug 30, 2018 18:09:07 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 18:09:07 GMT
What a load of crap, no season in this league is good, the gap between us and the rest is just opening up again. Why not? I've already had more fun this season than the entirety of last season altogether. Football is about entertainment mate, of course we all want to be in the top league, but at the end of the day it's about the rollercoaster. I'm more excited about a season in this league than i would have been had we finished 17th and stayed up. Football is a sport not a pantomime show, (although at Stoke I have reservations about that) Sport is for winning. I don't come from the snowflake era that tells everyone they did well just for trying. I play to win at everything I do. Always striving to be the best that I can be.
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Saido
Aug 30, 2018 18:15:17 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 18:15:17 GMT
Huge my arse! Our club record transfer is £18 million for a club that finished 9th 3 seasons in a row that is PATHETIC and clearly shows a total lack of ambition, while always talking about the next level the truth was that we tried to do it on a shoe string budget. Bournemouth have a higher record signing than us , yes that huge club Bournemouth. talksport.com/football/407542/bournemouth-club-record-signing-jefferson-lerma/When did we spend £100 million in a season on players? that is what was needed for next level, we lacked the stars and the depth of quality in the squad to reach any higher. We still cling to players that have been past their sell by date for 3 seasons then wonder why no one wants our players. Good God I bet our transfer team still wear Tank Tops and Budgie Jackets. Face the truth we are an old fashioned club run by an old fashioned man and his cronies who place loyalty above performance. It's not all about spend if you have an academy that can discover players but hey, Ours is shit and has produced NO ONE of note a complete waste of time and investment. Was Bojan, Arni, Shaqiri and N'zonzi Rank bad management or did they represent the best period in our clubs history since the 70's? You say Coates is to blame for overseeing the bad management, then tell me WHY is he still doing exactly the same. Our players are still unfit. 1. I think you need to look at the actual income of Stoke City not the three 9th places. Bournemouth have spent very little in the previous 2 seasons. 2. I agree about the academy. 3. The 4 players you mention are just 4 out of how many? Three of them left as soon as they could having had their careers renewed at Stoke. None of them were bought as "successful" players, but players with problems, so we got them cheap. Players are not fit? Where is the evidence for that?4. Stoke's total income in the Prem was little more than £100m, most of which was consumed in wages. Spending £100m in transfers in a season is a pipe dream. Did you watch the Leeds game? Fitness was appalling and played a large part in our humiliation as that was what it was. They got £100 million for one season, last I looked we were in the prem for 10 years and that is just how much they got from the league without any other income. Did we spend £100 million in the whole of the 10 year period as a fabled "net spend"? I doubt it.
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Saido
Aug 30, 2018 18:26:33 GMT
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Post by berahinosgoals on Aug 30, 2018 18:26:33 GMT
It's catch 22 though, it's all good and well spending big money on players to show ambition but it comes with it's drawbacks as we have seen first hand. The only 30 million player we would be signing is one a club are desperate to replace for whatever reason and there are no other takers, otherwise a £30m player wouldn't be interested in stoke. Do we want that 30m player if that's the case? What £30m players would entertain stoke as a good option in reality? It's a mugs game clubs our size spending that much on one player Oh please not the "Little old Stoke argument again. £30 million is nothing for a striker in the prem and that's where we were. We bought cheap and free with the intention of making a profit and came unstuck time after time. "Buy the best quality you can afford, you'll end up paying twice as much with cheap muck" those are the values my Grandma drilled into me and she was right. I'm all for buying the best you can afford in most walks of life, if you're going to do something do it once and do it properly is my own view but there is more of a risk elememt when it comes to buying footballers
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Saido
Aug 30, 2018 18:39:44 GMT
Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2018 18:39:44 GMT
Why not? I've already had more fun this season than the entirety of last season altogether. Football is about entertainment mate, of course we all want to be in the top league, but at the end of the day it's about the rollercoaster. I'm more excited about a season in this league than i would have been had we finished 17th and stayed up. Football is a sport not a pantomime show, (although at Stoke I have reservations about that) Sport is for winning. I don't come from the snowflake era that tells everyone they did well just for trying. I play to win at everything I do. Always striving to be the best that I can be. I don't go to football to watch us win. I hope we do, but i go to football for the hope of an improvement and a clear long term goal. See our 2015/16 run up to April. That's my best time as a Stoke fan, because, despite some shite results and some good ones, i genuinely thought we could turn into a top 7/8 team. We were entertaining and exciting to watch, and we looked to be going somewhere. Even though we were losing some games by being awful. See the difference in thinking between the draw with West Ham last season and the draw against United. Nothing to do with the result, we played excellent vs United and it was great to watch, whereas the West ham match had a gutting conclusion and was generally a poor game for both teams. Which league we're in really has no effect on me because I'm not being paid to play for the team. I'm there to support and enjoy the spectacle. Fuck all to do with whether you're a hardcore winner, GI Joe.
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Saido
Aug 30, 2018 19:39:47 GMT
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 30, 2018 19:39:47 GMT
Strong hint from Rowett in the press conference he'll be on the bench on Saturday because WBA present a "different tactical challenge" nad he's reluctant to go in with 2 strikers! Blimey, didn't see that one coming! 😁
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Saido
Aug 31, 2018 1:00:03 GMT
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Post by Gary Hackett on Aug 31, 2018 1:00:03 GMT
Strong hint from Rowett in the press conference he'll be on the bench on Saturday because WBA present a "different tactical challenge" nad he's reluctant to go in with 2 strikers! Blimey, didn't see that one coming! 😁 Very poor way to manage a player isn't it. Just when I was starting to think Rowett may actually be getting somewhere he does this. If we lose on Saturday he can go fuck himself.
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