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Post by Gods on Aug 19, 2018 22:54:01 GMT
It's some very nice overtime and if you get to use your pepper spray for the first time its a bonus. In recent years I have always had the suspicion that if you removed the police and the lines of stewards so there was no one 'in authority' to dance around in front off for the most part people would simply behave themselves. It's not like anyone wants to punch anyone else these days or indeed less still get punched themselves. That seems to be a thing of the past so its really all about capturing the moment on a cell phone. It's like when they do one of these experiments to remove all the traffic lights in a town and you think it will be chaos but in reality everyone becomes respectful of one another and the traffic flows better than it did before. Try it, trust people, think self service tills in the supermarket. Unfortunately every club has its quota of morons to make this idea implausible I'm honestly not sure about that. These 'morons' are the same people who go through the self serve in Tesco without nicking all the goods. Sure there would be some initial tension when the HiViz jacket brigade are not there to dance around in front of looking menacing but I reckon it would pretty soon settle down. I mean what are you going to do without them? How often do you see someone at a football game in England get punched? I mean really punched? It's mostly just posturing. Take away the opportunity to posture as they have in every single other sport in the country and I reckon it would no longer happen. The whole self serving circus of police and stewards and media and outraged of Virginia Water and wannabe hooligans who no longer want to get hurt would be dead in the water.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2018 22:58:09 GMT
Unfortunately every club has its quota of morons to make this idea implausible I'm honestly not sure about that. These 'morons' are the same people who go through the self serve in Tesco without nicking all the goods. Sure there would be some initial tension when the HiViz jacket brigade are not there to dance around in front of looking menacing but I reckon it would pretty soon settle down. I mean what are you going to do without them? How often do you see someone at a football game in England get punched? I mean really punched? It's mostly just posturing. Take away the opportunity to posture as they have in every single other sport in the country and I reckon it would no longer happen. The whole self serving circus of police and stewards and media and outraged of Virginia Water and wannabe hooligans who no longer want to get hurt would be dead in the water. Well Gods your self styled trolling shite didn't work with your last post, so predictably you turn it up a notch with this post.
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Post by ParaPsych on Aug 19, 2018 22:59:48 GMT
Unfortunately every club has its quota of morons to make this idea implausible I'm honestly not sure about that. These 'morons' are the same people who go through the self serve in Tesco without nicking all the goods. Sure there would be some initial tension when the HiViz jacket brigade are not there to dance around in front of looking menacing but I reckon it would pretty soon settle down. I mean what are you going to do without them? How often do you see someone at a football game in England get punched? I mean really punched? It's mostly just posturing. Take away the opportunity to posture as they have in every single other sport in the country and I reckon it would no longer happen. The whole self serving circus of police and stewards and media and outraged of Virginia Water and wannabe hooligans who no longer want to get hurt would be dead in the water. I kind of see what you're saying, but I did literally see Stoke fan on Stoke fan punching after the final whistle and one weapon in particular desperate for more. People really need lay off the ale and monkey dust a bit if things are to calm down.
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Post by felonious on Aug 20, 2018 5:49:28 GMT
I'm honestly not sure about that. These 'morons' are the same people who go through the self serve in Tesco without nicking all the goods. Sure there would be some initial tension when the HiViz jacket brigade are not there to dance around in front of looking menacing but I reckon it would pretty soon settle down. I mean what are you going to do without them? How often do you see someone at a football game in England get punched? I mean really punched? It's mostly just posturing. Take away the opportunity to posture as they have in every single other sport in the country and I reckon it would no longer happen. The whole self serving circus of police and stewards and media and outraged of Virginia Water and wannabe hooligans who no longer want to get hurt would be dead in the water. I kind of see what you're saying, but I did literally see Stoke fan on Stoke fan punching after the final whistle and one weapon in particular desperate for more. People really need lay off the ale and monkey dust a bit if things are to calm down. I was also wondering if Gods had been on the monkey dust.
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Post by Block 22 on Aug 20, 2018 6:39:20 GMT
You’ve completely missed the point. I was also there with my kids and have no issue saying that some of our fans are absolute pricks who need to grow the fuck up. But the incident in question prompted a reaction that was disproportionate to what was going on at the time. That’s the point..... What was going on at the time? You mean the doors being kicked open the stewards being threatened and stuff thrown at the Police and Stewards? The incident went on alot longer than the 27 seconds of this video. Considering (as per your earlier post) any parent with children who wasn’t at least 2 Miles radius away from the incident was a bad parent you seem to know an awful lot of the finer details...
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Post by estima1972 on Aug 20, 2018 7:00:15 GMT
The type of arrogant prick who feels it necessary to become aggressive just because they need to have their filthy, dirty nicotine fix should be tasered not pepper sprayed. What's filthy and dirty about nicotine? Are tomatoes filthy and dirty? Or have you confused nicotine with tobacco? I would agree that smoking is not a clean or pleasant (to no-smokers) activity but nicotine is not filthy or dirty in its own right.
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Post by chinesedave on Aug 20, 2018 7:11:44 GMT
The type of arrogant prick who feels it necessary to become aggressive just because they need to have their filthy, dirty nicotine fix should be tasered not pepper sprayed. What's filthy and dirty about nicotine? Are tomatoes filthy and dirty? Or have you confused nicotine with tobacco? I would agree that smoking is not a clean or pleasant (to no-smokers) activity but nicotine is not filthy or dirty in its own right. You are quite correct Sir, nicotine in isolation is neither, as you know it's an incredibly useful stimulant used by some athletes. I apologise for the inaccuracy of my post. But the process of smoking is horrendous. God knows how many chemicals, the smell, the littering and the yellow teeth.
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Post by Block 22 on Aug 20, 2018 7:17:37 GMT
I can’t believe some of the views on the police from this messageboard. Some people seriously believe that they are all heroes don’t they? Don’t get me wrong I appreciate some of the things they do but if you base your only opinion on them on what you are fed by the BBC you need to get your head out of the sand.
Even when getting onto the coaches back to the train station after the game they were pushing fans around. I saw fans told to get a fucking move on who were simply walking to the coach. Another officer with some arrogant and sarcastic remarks towards the fans on the bus I was on. Something like “if you don’t move up now, we’re going to leave the rest of your fans here.” Is it any wonder the fans get agitated?
The demeanour and arrogance of the police on the day was pathetic. Our fans were already tarred before they even set foot in Preston. Fuck knows how they’ll cope when the likes of Millwall, Leeds, Villa etc come to Preston if they can’t handle a few rowdy fans singing and kicking a few doors.
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Post by estima1972 on Aug 20, 2018 7:51:26 GMT
You are quite correct Sir, nicotine in isolation is neither, as you know it's an incredibly useful stimulant used by some athletes. I apologise for the inaccuracy of my post. But the process of smoking is horrendous. God knows how many chemicals, the smell, the littering and the yellow teeth. Now that's something I certainly agree with. Around 4,000 additives to a cigarette I believe.
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Post by Gods on Aug 20, 2018 7:59:51 GMT
I kind of see what you're saying, but I did literally see Stoke fan on Stoke fan punching after the final whistle and one weapon in particular desperate for more. People really need lay off the ale and monkey dust a bit if things are to calm down. I was also wondering if Gods had been on the monkey dust. Fair enough my proposal still needs a bit of work! But the principle, the way this whole self serving pantomime of police, stewards, lads, media and the faux outrage in the general public plays out each week at every ground in the country, it's become a bit daft hasn't it? It has all the poignancy of one of those staged wrestling events!
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Post by Eggybread on Aug 20, 2018 8:15:43 GMT
The whole sorry incident could and indeed should have been avoided. A lot of the Stoke fans Saturday had been drinking in Blackpool and Preston for most of the day.As we arrived to the ground two double Decker buses full of stoke fans were being escorted to the ground.It was obvious these fans had been drinking. At half time the powers that be thought it would be (safer)if all the fans were kept inside the stadium.The toilets were rammed to the hilt of smokers.This alone was not policed at all and I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't smoke or who had a child with them it was totally unacceptable. All the police had to do was open the doors and let people smoke because rightly or wrongly people are going to smoke at half time.To protect the non smokers (I smoke) they should have let people out and eased the congestion. I know people are going to say cant you do without a cigarette etc.but the fact is some people cannot and that combined with alcohol people will smoke. It was a cauldron in there and the police and stewards did nothing to alleviate the situation, the law of commonsense again was overlooked and the outcome was the spraying.
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Post by Billy the kid on Aug 20, 2018 8:23:04 GMT
Just because they have a uniform on does not give them the right to be overtly aggressive. There are clear guidelines on the use of pepper spray and the footage shows a complete disregard for the use. Wether a few pissed up football fans kicking a door warrants such a blatant disregard for those guidelines is completely irrelevant imo.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 20, 2018 8:40:14 GMT
Can anybody suggest what the police were trying to achieve by using the spray?
What did they think was likely to be such a grave outcome, if they DIDN'T use it?
What specifically made them feel they had absolutely no other choice but to resort to the tactics they used?
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Post by StokeTudoGuy on Aug 20, 2018 9:03:23 GMT
Can anybody suggest what the police were trying to achieve by using the spray? What did they think was likely to be such a grave outcome, if they DIDN'T use it? What specifically made them feel they had absolutely no other choice but to resort to the tactics they used? Seems to me the incident explains itself. People dispersed and any potential threat was pretty much immediately extinguished. Seems like people are mostly pissed off that the tactic was so successful. Reality; for all this bluster and complaining about too much force, potential deadly results etc. etc. I havent seen or heard any evidence of a single serious or noteable injury, not even a single picture of a kid with red eyes. Was mass disorder and physcal violence on the cards? Possibly, but I'm not sure. People were pretty amped up and even from the video there is one smaller bald guy at the front baiting back and forth at the Police. If a group of people suddenly started acting like that at the local Asda then I think many reasonable people would think it was a matter of public order for the Police to manage. The Police work that stadium on a hell of a lot of occasions and this isnt common, which kind of shits on this underlying thought that the Police turn up to fuck people up for a bit of a laugh, it also says to me that something was different from the norm and they judged the situation based on that fact. The best I can say is that mass disorder and physical violence was at least a possibility or a perceived possibility, yet after the tactics were used it didn't really pan out to a higher escalation than the one the Police chose to control did it? Whether you like or not the method of control the Police tactically chose to make, I don't think the effectiveness of the tactic can be denied.
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Post by skemstokie on Aug 20, 2018 9:14:23 GMT
I'm honestly not sure about that. These 'morons' are the same people who go through the self serve in Tesco without nicking all the goods. Sure there would be some initial tension when the HiViz jacket brigade are not there to dance around in front of looking menacing but I reckon it would pretty soon settle down. I mean what are you going to do without them? How often do you see someone at a football game in England get punched? I mean really punched? It's mostly just posturing. Take away the opportunity to posture as they have in every single other sport in the country and I reckon it would no longer happen. The whole self serving circus of police and stewards and media and outraged of Virginia Water and wannabe hooligans who no longer want to get hurt would be dead in the water. I kind of see what you're saying, but I did literally see Stoke fan on Stoke fan punching after the final whistle and one weapon in particular desperate for more. People really need lay off the ale and monkey dust a bit if things are to calm down. I have been "supporting" Stoke for close on 60 years and have never been punched or attacked by anyone,never been treated by the police and stewards in anything other than a polite and helpful manner,is it the fact that i comply with the rules and regulation,i do not drink to excess hurl abuse (or beer) at people and behave in a decent manner am i just lucky?
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Post by Stretfordpotterer on Aug 20, 2018 9:16:35 GMT
There's normally no problem whatsoever in leaving a ground, unlike the lies being peddled by that poster above. That's not to say that they'd necessarily let you back in again, Preston is in the minority of cases for not letting smokers out, but if it was any other ground and they legitimately wanted to leave and it was explained to them that they wouldn't be allowed back in, then they would be allowed. I’d say a lot of the decisions arent necessarily done in advanced it’s probably a call made at the time and is based around visible behaviour. I guess if there are obvious signs it’s going to kick off they’ll keep them in. Let’s not forget 1 - the police may have received intelligence re problems of serious public order outside. 2 - they may have been keeping them in because known Preston hooligans may have been waiting outside. The issue about medication is a very different one and I’m sure common sense would rule and they’d be assisted. Who exactly was waiting outside at HALF TIME? This wasn't at full time or ten minutes to go till the end, when fans were allowed to leave unrestricted, this was half time when absolutely nobody would have been about. Some may have wanted to leave because we were shit, but most of them were trying to get out for a fag, now god knows why you can't wait until after the game but they should have been allowed to leave on the proviso that they would not be coming back in.
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Post by xchpotter on Aug 20, 2018 9:17:37 GMT
I kind of see what you're saying, but I did literally see Stoke fan on Stoke fan punching after the final whistle and one weapon in particular desperate for more. People really need lay off the ale and monkey dust a bit if things are to calm down. I have been "supporting" Stoke for close on 60 years and have never been punched or attacked by anyone,never been treated by the police and stewards in anything other than a polite and helpful manner,is it the fact that i comply with the rules and regulation,i do not drink to excess hurl abuse (or beer) at people and behave in a decent manner am i just lucky? Maybe you are just lucky, or maybe you treat others with respect and courtesy.....it goes a long way and is certainly something the knuckle dragging chavs could do with learning.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 9:19:39 GMT
The whole sorry incident could and indeed should have been avoided. A lot of the Stoke fans Saturday had been drinking in Blackpool and Preston for most of the day.As we arrived to the ground two double Decker buses full of stoke fans were being escorted to the ground.It was obvious these fans had been drinking. At half time the powers that be thought it would be (safer)if all the fans were kept inside the stadium.The toilets were rammed to the hilt of smokers.This alone was not policed at all and I feel sorry for anyone who doesn't smoke or who had a child with them it was totally unacceptable. All the police had to do was open the doors and let people smoke because rightly or wrongly people are going to smoke at half time.To protect the non smokers (I smoke) they should have let people out and eased the congestion. I know people are going to say cant you do without a cigarette etc.but the fact is some people cannot and that combined with alcohol people will smoke. It was a cauldron in there and the police and stewards did nothing to alleviate the situation, the law of commonsense again was overlooked and the outcome was the spraying. The toilets were a joke, the amount of selfish pricks smoking in there was pathetic......
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 9:27:19 GMT
Can't speak for the weekend as I wasn't there, but I can certainly offer an experience of Preston on a previous visit.
I went there for a Friendly a few years ago. Ferguson was their manager, Pulis ours. It was around 2010ish.
Stewards were running around the away end threatening to eject fans that were sat with their legs hanging over the empty seat in front of them.
Yes, you read that correctly. Friendly, empty seats, legs hanging over the seat in front. Threats to eject any that didn't "sit correctly".
The only reason I remember it so well is it was the first away game I took my missus to and clearly remember her questioning me about whether football was like that every week.
To which I replied, "Yes, he always asks his centre halves to whack it aimlessly up front. Oh you mean the stewards?"
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Aug 20, 2018 9:33:54 GMT
Just because they have a uniform on does not give them the right to be overtly aggressive. There are clear guidelines on the use of pepper spray and the footage shows a complete disregard for the use. Wether a few pissed up football fans kicking a door warrants such a blatant disregard for those guidelines is completely irrelevant imo. Just out of interest what are those guidelines?
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Post by StokeTudoGuy on Aug 20, 2018 9:40:04 GMT
Can't speak for the weekend as I wasn't there, but I can certainly offer an experience of Preston on a previous visit. I went there for a Friendly a few years ago. Ferguson was their manager, Pulis ours. It was around 2010ish. Stewards were running around the away end threatening to eject fans that were sat with their legs hanging over the empty seat in front of them. Yes, you read that correctly. Friendly, empty seats, legs hanging over the seat in front. Threats to eject any that didn't "sit correctly". The only reason I remember it so well is it was the first away game I took my missus to and clearly remember her questioning me about whether football was like that every week. To which I replied, "Yes, he always asks his centre halves to whack it aimlessly up front. Oh you mean the stewards?" Stewards were great to me and my lad this time. On two occasions they asked if I wanted to move right to the front with my lad so he could see better.
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Post by Eggybread on Aug 20, 2018 9:42:34 GMT
Can't speak for the weekend as I wasn't there, but I can certainly offer an experience of Preston on a previous visit. I went there for a Friendly a few years ago. Ferguson was their manager, Pulis ours. It was around 2010ish. Stewards were running around the away end threatening to eject fans that were sat with their legs hanging over the empty seat in front of them. Yes, you read that correctly. Friendly, empty seats, legs hanging over the seat in front. Threats to eject any that didn't "sit correctly". The only reason I remember it so well is it was the first away game I took my missus to and clearly remember her questioning me about whether football was like that every week. To which I replied, "Yes, he always asks his centre halves to whack it aimlessly up front. Oh you mean the stewards?" Stewards were great to me and my lad this time. On two occasions they asked if I wanted to move right to the front with my lad so he could see better. There were it seems many guidelines broken ,but it wont matter one jot. www.npcc.police.uk/documents/FoI%20publication/Disclosure%20Logs/Uniformed%20Operations%20FOI/2013/003%2013%20Att%2014%20of%2015%20Guidance%20on%20the%20use%20of%20Incapacitant%20Spray.pdf
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Post by Block 22 on Aug 20, 2018 9:58:10 GMT
Can anybody suggest what the police were trying to achieve by using the spray? What did they think was likely to be such a grave outcome, if they DIDN'T use it? What specifically made them feel they had absolutely no other choice but to resort to the tactics they used? Seems to me the incident explains itself. People dispersed and any potential threat was pretty much immediately extinguished. Seems like people are mostly pissed off that the tactic was so successful.Reality; for all this bluster and complaining about too much force, potential deadly results etc. etc. I havent seen or heard any evidence of a single serious or noteable injury, not even a single picture of a kid with red eyes. Was mass disorder and physcal violence on the cards? Possibly, but I'm not sure. People were pretty amped up and even from the video there is one smaller bald guy at the front baiting back and forth at the Police. If a group of people suddenly started acting like that at the local Asda then I think many reasonable people would think it was a matter of public order for the Police to manage. The Police work that stadium on a hell of a lot of occasions and this isnt common, which kind of shits on this underlying thought that the Police turn up to fuck people up for a bit of a laugh, it also says to me that something was different from the norm and they judged the situation based on that fact. The best I can say is that mass disorder and physical violence was at least a possibility or a perceived possibility, yet after the tactics were used it didn't really pan out to a higher escalation than the one the Police chose to control did it? Whether you like or not the method of control the Police tactically chose to make, I don't think the effectiveness of the tactic can be denied. I think I speak for myself and 90% of people on here when I say that if there actually was a cause for concern they would have no issue with severe action being taken. You statement suggests they were right in taking action for something that may never have happened. I can pretty much guarantee that there will be a number of clubs away followings that behave at lot worse than that at Deepdale this season. Based on facts and not assumptions, there weren’t brawls breaking out, the fans showed no physical signs of aggression towards the police, no punches were thrown, no one was hurt. A few doors were kicked, a bit of beer was thrown, a few songs were being sung and a few of the fans were giving the police a few chants and taunts. Isn’t this what happens at 9 out of 10 away games across the country? There was absolutely no justification at all to use the spray. The police were arrogant from minute 1 and obviously ill informed about a reputation that no longer exists amongst our support. They took the aggressive, arrogant, bully-like, high ground, stance from minute 1 when they had no reason to. Their treatment of our fans was evidence of this. They made easy-diffusable situations into dangerous ones.
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Post by StokeTudoGuy on Aug 20, 2018 10:02:32 GMT
Do you care to elucidate on which of the many guidelines you feel were broken anf how so?
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Post by cobhamstokey on Aug 20, 2018 10:05:53 GMT
I’ll be interested to see who they play at home next and get some feedback on there forum. I can’t see this happening every week.
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Post by Eggybread on Aug 20, 2018 10:18:23 GMT
Do you care to elucidate on which of the many guidelines you feel were broken anf how so? Yes I can but if you read it yourself then you will know too.
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Aug 20, 2018 10:20:05 GMT
Do you care to elucidate on which of the many guidelines you feel were broken anf how so? 2.5.13: "Such action on the part of the officer may have a profound impact on crowd dynamics....The spraying of incapacitants in these circumstances may, particularly in the case of CS cause panic or even hysteria in crowded public areas may cause significant cross contamination and another use of force may be more appropriate. The decision to use CS against a person in these circumstances must be capable of subsequent justification and the closest scrutiny. 2.6.2 (It's hard to discern distance, but the officer at the top of the screen certainly seems to make a move much closer than others) The spray should not be used at a distance of less than 1 metre unless the nature of the risk to the officer is such that this cannot be avoided, in such cases officers must be prepared not only to justify use but also their decision to use at a distance that may cause damage to eyes due to the discharge pressure of the liquid. 2.8.1 After spraying, the officer should provide verbal reassurance as to the temporary effects and instruct the the subject to breathe normally (I don't imagine this happened) 2.8.2 (much the same as above) Subjects should be moved to an uncontaminated area where they can exposed to cool fresh air....etc 2.8.4 Close monitoring of subjects sprayed, especially those that show no sign of recovery or have difficulty breathing after 5 minutes. I have no doubt, there were some/a lot of dickheads in that crowd, and were likely the party initially responsible for some antagonism...but there are serious issues about using CS in confined areas as listed above, if a complaint is presented then there will have to a water tight justification for doing so. From what you can see in the video, there is a fair distance between the police and fans before spraying occurs, which then narrows upon spraying....is that distance sufficient justification?
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Post by StokeTudoGuy on Aug 20, 2018 10:29:02 GMT
Seems to me the incident explains itself. People dispersed and any potential threat was pretty much immediately extinguished. Seems like people are mostly pissed off that the tactic was so successful.Reality; for all this bluster and complaining about too much force, potential deadly results etc. etc. I havent seen or heard any evidence of a single serious or noteable injury, not even a single picture of a kid with red eyes. Was mass disorder and physcal violence on the cards? Possibly, but I'm not sure. People were pretty amped up and even from the video there is one smaller bald guy at the front baiting back and forth at the Police. If a group of people suddenly started acting like that at the local Asda then I think many reasonable people would think it was a matter of public order for the Police to manage. The Police work that stadium on a hell of a lot of occasions and this isnt common, which kind of shits on this underlying thought that the Police turn up to fuck people up for a bit of a laugh, it also says to me that something was different from the norm and they judged the situation based on that fact. The best I can say is that mass disorder and physical violence was at least a possibility or a perceived possibility, yet after the tactics were used it didn't really pan out to a higher escalation than the one the Police chose to control did it? Whether you like or not the method of control the Police tactically chose to make, I don't think the effectiveness of the tactic can be denied. I think I speak for myself and 90% of people on here when I say that if there actually was a cause for concern they would have no issue with severe action being taken. You statement suggests they were right in taking action for something that may never have happened. I can pretty much guarantee that there will be a number of clubs away followings that behave at lot worse than that at Deepdale this season. Based on facts and not assumptions, there weren’t brawls breaking out, the fans showed no physical signs of aggression towards the police, no punches were thrown, no one was hurt. A few doors were kicked, a bit of beer was thrown, a few songs were being sung and a few of the fans were giving the police a few chants and taunts. Isn’t this what happens at 9 out of 10 away games across the country? There was absolutely no justification at all to use the spray. The police were arrogant from minute 1 and obviously ill informed about a reputation that no longer exists amongst our support. They took the aggressive, arrogant, bully-like, high ground, stance from minute 1 when they had no reason to. Their treatment of our fans was evidence of this. They made easy-diffusable situations into dangerous ones. Im not saying they were right, I tried to stress the fact that I don't have all the information to make that call.. but I am saying that they are not wrong by default on the basis of the evidence shown here. "Based on facts and not assumptions, there weren’t brawls breaking out, the fans showed no physical signs of aggression towards the police, no punches were thrown, no one was hurt." I think some of that is a reach and certainly not all fact, there are reports of an increasing lack of controll over the situation, doors being kicked, staff being abused. The poor quality short video on page one of this very thread shows only a few moments of the line between the Police and the fans. If we only concentrate on one man in particular, the small bald guy at the front.... He is undoutably and undeniably showing physical signs of aggression towards the Police, so are others he is just the most overt and obvious. I can't say with certain that punches were thrown in that particular incident but people who were undoutably involved sitting near to me and my lad were bragging about their agression towards the Police and how at least one of them "took swings" at an officer and how they were going to find and assault a specific officer after the match. I didn't have any Police or stewards act in an arrogant manner to me... Everyone I interacted with was really nice and polite. "obviously ill informed about a reputation that no longer exists amongst our support."... Other than the ones throwing beer, kicking doors open, forming a line against Police, arguing and coming close to a dust up with each other in the stands while kids are around trying to enjoy the match.
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Post by StokeTudoGuy on Aug 20, 2018 10:29:59 GMT
Do you care to elucidate on which of the many guidelines you feel were broken anf how so? Yes I can but if you read it yourself then you will know too. I have read it and I don't think anything was broken. Please elucidate so I can try and see your point of view.
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Post by 3putts on Aug 20, 2018 10:32:15 GMT
I kind of see what you're saying, but I did literally see Stoke fan on Stoke fan punching after the final whistle and one weapon in particular desperate for more. People really need lay off the ale and monkey dust a bit if things are to calm down. I have been "supporting" Stoke for close on 60 years and have never been punched or attacked by anyone,never been treated by the police and stewards in anything other than a polite and helpful manner,is it the fact that i comply with the rules and regulation,i do not drink to excess hurl abuse (or beer) at people and behave in a decent manner am i just lucky? well I am a junior by your standards as I have only been supporting stoke for 40 years. I used to go to every away game in the 80's and 90's and I felt as a stoke supporter I was treated like shite by the police I am not a hooligan and I know we do have an element in our support but the police should not judge us all on the basis of being a potential hooligan. if smokers were smoking in the toilets then they are ignorant why should non smokers have to put up with the disgusting stink? if they cant last a couple of hours for a fag then they need to take a look at themselves. I guess these smokers never board a plane??
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