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Post by felonious on Aug 1, 2018 20:18:05 GMT
I spotted a couple of cows on the lane outside the house about 7:00am one morning. I phoned the farmer and got the hi viz out and went to calm the traffic til they could be safely put back into the field. When I got out there I realised it was a bull and a cow. The cow was a pain in the arse but the bull was an amiable creature. It would have taken a massive amount of animal cruelty to get him going.
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Post by Timmypotter on Aug 1, 2018 20:19:54 GMT
An absolute disgrace that this still happens in Europe. No better than bear bating, cock fighting or any number of other barbaric 'entertainments' that have long since been outlawed in the majority of European countries.
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Post by The Drunken Communist on Aug 2, 2018 16:20:24 GMT
The only thing I enjoy about bullfighting, is stuff like this...
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 25, 2021 19:19:03 GMT
It is disputed whether EU money subsidises bullfighting, It is my belief that it does so, indirectly through CAP. Shouldn't the EU put pressure on Spain and France to ban the practice? Animal Welfare Matters. Even though Corrida - opposed by the majority of EU citizens and MEPs - poses serious hazard for public health and safety, the bullfighting shows are still heavily subsidized with the European tax payers' money. LAV asks the European Commission to stop financing this inherently cruel tradition once and for all. Spanish bullfighting financed with € 130 million from the EU's CAP! | Eurogroup for Animals www.eurogroupforanimals.org/news/spanish-bullfighting-financed-eu-130-million-eus-cap
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Post by tonythefox on Feb 25, 2021 21:04:22 GMT
I remember a holiday in ‘81 to Loret de mar We attended a bull fight and I fell out with the locals as I voiced my opinions about the treatment of the bull and cruelty of it all, and my mates had to take me out of the arena ! the disgusting so called sport has no place in a civilised society,
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2021 0:04:59 GMT
should fishing be banned?
not a fan of bullfighting but have attended and a tradition. The odd time the matador gets a seeing to and getting to the stage there won't be much left to ban.
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Post by tuum on Feb 26, 2021 6:03:50 GMT
I remember a holiday in ‘81 to Loret de mar We attended a bull fight and I fell out with the locals as I voiced my opinions about the treatment of the bull and cruelty of it all, and my mates had to take me out of the arena ! the disgusting so called sport has no place in a civilised society, Why did you feel the need to voice your opinion to the locals - were you surprised by what you saw? Was it different to what you expected when you decided to go and see a bullfight? If you were so upset by what you saw then leaving the arena would have been the correct thing to do. No need to vocalize your anger. By all means speak up when you are back home but I think if you are in someone else's country then you need to respect their customs and traditions. If you can't do this then either don't go or at least hold your tongue. My mate's wife is Kazakh and she has a fur coat that she bought in Kazakhstan. Many Kazakhs wear these coats in Winter and it is not considered a problem. However, she does not wear the coat in the UK. It is not illegal to wear the coat in the UK but she is aware of the strength of feeling of some parts of UK society about wearing fur so she chooses to respect that position and avoids causing offence. In Asia cockfighting is a very popular 'sport'. I don't agree with it so I don't go to watch it but I also don't lecture the locals on the matter. I am a guest in their country. Similarly, in Thailand, I see more and more male Westerners walking through hotels wearing no top and just their shorts (males). Perfectly acceptable in Europe but disrespectful in Thailand. These days, the Thais have given up the fight and in many tourist areas they have accepted this invasion of their culture. Women going topless is similarly offensive to Thai culture but this seems to be on the increase as well. It seems that westerners are more inclined to want to impose their values on other cultures. I don't see many Asian people coming to the UK and seeking to offend UK culture. They seem to be a bit more accepting of others and their home culture. I once had a conversation with a young American girl. She was off to Saudi to work as a teacher. She was adamant that she was not going to stop wearing her short skirts. She felt the Saudi regime was backward and she was not going to let them dictate what she could or could not wear. All very admirable in the US. I asked her why, if she hated the Saudi Arabian rules so much, she was going there in the first place. She couldn't really give a satisfactory answer other than to say it was a good job.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 26, 2021 8:17:22 GMT
I remember a holiday in ‘81 to Loret de mar We attended a bull fight and I fell out with the locals as I voiced my opinions about the treatment of the bull and cruelty of it all, and my mates had to take me out of the arena ! the disgusting so called sport has no place in a civilised society, Why did you feel the need to voice your opinion to the locals - were you surprised by what you saw? Was it different to what you expected when you decided to go and see a bullfight? If you were so upset by what you saw then leaving the arena would have been the correct thing to do. No need to vocalize your anger. By all means speak up when you are back home but I think if you are in someone else's country then you need to respect their customs and traditions. If you can't do this then either don't go or at least hold your tongue. My mate's wife is Kazakh and she has a fur coat that she bought in Kazakhstan. Many Kazakhs wear these coats in Winter and it is not considered a problem. However, she does not wear the coat in the UK. It is not illegal to wear the coat in the UK but she is aware of the strength of feeling of some parts of UK society about wearing fur so she chooses to respect that position and avoids causing offence. In Asia cockfighting is a very popular 'sport'. I don't agree with it so I don't go to watch it but I also don't lecture the locals on the matter. I am a guest in their country. Similarly, in Thailand, I see more and more male Westerners walking through hotels wearing no top and just their shorts (males). Perfectly acceptable in Europe but disrespectful in Thailand. These days, the Thais have given up the fight and in many tourist areas they have accepted this invasion of their culture. Women going topless is similarly offensive to Thai culture but this seems to be on the increase as well. It seems that westerners are more inclined to want to impose their values on other cultures. I don't see many Asian people coming to the UK and seeking to offend UK culture. They seem to be a bit more accepting of others and their home culture. I once had a conversation with a young American girl. She was off to Saudi to work as a teacher. She was adamant that she was not going to stop wearing her short skirts. She felt the Saudi regime was backward and she was not going to let them dictate what she could or could not wear. All very admirable in the US. I asked her why, if she hated the Saudi Arabian rules so much, she was going there in the first place. She couldn't really give a satisfactory answer other than to say it was a good job. Tuun Just picking up on a couple of points. How " we " approach practices in other countries is obviously a delicate matter and irrespective of moral/ ethical judgements rights/ wrongs to interefere on an individual basis is probably pointless, whether in itself it is always wrong is perhaps a matter of opinion, perhaps on a case by case basis. in general I agree that we should respect other cultures. BUT I specifically brought bullfighting up because it is taking place in apparently Western countries and seems to be cruel bloodthirsty violence, including taunting innocent animals, just for spectator entertainment. Also there is the secondary question of whether it is being supported by taxpayers money. For me the fact it is cultural or traditional doesn't mean that it is beyond criticism and untouchable ...the same could be said for fix hunting, bear baiting, cock fighting, dog fighting......even slavery. Jesus raises an interesting point about angling.....if there was a " referendum " I would vote against, but in that is so embedded across our culture that at this stage it would be impossible to challenge......if anyone wanted to. ( I'm a pragmatist). Having said that it doesn't appear to revel in gratuitous violence, whereas for me bullfighting involves taunting and goading animals and I think the spectstors want to see blood, gore even inevitable slow suffering and death. it's not right.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 26, 2021 8:54:33 GMT
Do you not think bullfighting is "embedded across their culture and impossible to challenge" in precisely the dame way you say angling is?
Lovely implication of the EU into the promotion of bullfighting through CAP too. Bravo!
Let me guess, you also think the EU is responsible for the promotion of fox hunting in this country too?!
Tricky one for you! I mean it's been going on for a long time before the EU existed and is also indulged in by people who probably share most of your political leanings so how you're going to square your desire to end animal cruelty, blame the EU and stick up for the hunting lobby should be interesting.
I'm sure you'll manage!
Quick question - have you ever started a thread on fox hunting?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 26, 2021 8:57:22 GMT
Do you not think bullfighting is "embedded across their culture and impossible to challenge" in precisely the dame way you say angling is? Lovely implication of the EU into the promotion of bullfighting through CAP too. Bravo! Let me guess, you also think the EU is responsible for the promotion of fox hunting in this country too?! Tricky one for you! I mean it's been going on for a long time before the EU existed and is also indulged in by people who probably share most of your political leanings so how you're going to square your desire to end animal cruelty, blame the EU and stick up for the hunting lobby should be interesting. I'm sure you'll manage! I just think it is cruel and wrong. And indeed if any taxpayers are inadvertently supporting it , they should not be. And by the way EU MEPs have come out against it.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 26, 2021 9:00:12 GMT
Have you ever started a thread about fox hunting?
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 26, 2021 9:17:21 GMT
Have you ever started a thread about fox hunting? I didn't know it was compulsory for me to do so. Why don't you?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 26, 2021 9:18:21 GMT
Have you ever started a thread about fox hunting? I didn't know it was compulsory for me to do so. Why don't you? I don't recall anyone ever saying it was! Are you not as vexed by fox hunting as you are by bull-fighting? Given your animal cruelty stance?
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Post by felonious on Feb 26, 2021 9:28:52 GMT
Have you ever started a thread about fox hunting? I didn't know it was compulsory for me to do so. Why don't you? Have you ever thought of starting a thread about stalking?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 26, 2021 9:31:44 GMT
I didn't know it was compulsory for me to do so. Why don't you? Have you ever thought of starting a thread about stalking? It doesn't interest me, is it good? Or were you talking about deer stalking?
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Post by flea79 on Feb 26, 2021 9:35:59 GMT
Have you ever thought of starting a thread about stalking? It doesn't interest me, is it good? Or were you talking about deer stalking? my grandad once told my nan to shut her legs it was like a fur trappers hat apparently..... sorry very tenuous link to hunting there....
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 26, 2021 11:22:28 GMT
I didn't know it was compulsory for me to do so. Why don't you? I don't recall anyone ever saying it was! Are you not as vexed by fox hunting as you are by bull-fighting? Given your animal cruelty stance? I am against fox hunting and I am glad that it is banned, although it needs to be monitored, because some are ignoring it. but this thread is about bull fighting. As I say you can start one about Fox-hunting, I imagine that One already exists.
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 26, 2021 12:15:04 GMT
I don't recall anyone ever saying it was! Are you not as vexed by fox hunting as you are by bull-fighting? Given your animal cruelty stance? I am against fox hunting and I am glad that it is banned, although it needs to be monitored, because some are ignoring it. but this thread is about bull fighting. As I say you can start one about Fox-hunting, I imagine that One already exists. Yes, I know, I'm just interested in the fact that you chose to focus on bull-fighting, a largely Spanish activity, and laid some of the blame for it's ongoing existence at the door of the EU, rather than concentrate on the equally barbaric practice of fox hunting in this country. Since you also mentioned fox hunting in a previous reply, I thought I'd ask why one provoked your curiosity to the point of starting a thread and the other didn't?
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Post by Kilo on Feb 26, 2021 12:54:32 GMT
I am against fox hunting and I am glad that it is banned, although it needs to be monitored, because some are ignoring it. but this thread is about bull fighting. As I say you can start one about Fox-hunting, I imagine that One already exists. Yes, I know, I'm just interested in the fact that you chose to focus on bull-fighting, a largely Spanish activity, and laid some of the blame for it's ongoing existence at the door of the EU, rather than concentrate on the equally barbaric practice of fox hunting in this country. Since you also mentioned fox hunting in a previous reply, I thought I'd ask why one provoked your curiosity to the point of starting a thread and the other didn't? Why are you obsessed with going after the man? If BRJ started a thread saying he really liked his new Audi, your response would be asking why he hadn't started a thread about BMW's. For the record I'm against all animal cruelty so have to be opposed to bullfighting, angling and of course fox hunting. I don't campaign against any as in general I'm not a campaigner type of person and I only usually speak up on things I know a fair bit about. I did voice my opinions on fox hunting as I once had a vixen with nine cubs in my garden so picked up a book from the library (it was a long time ago) on foxes and wrote to the author Dr Pat Doncaster at Cambridge University. I could then argue from a position of authority on the fox hunting debate with facts such as a fox's diet is 98% earthworms. Although I don't shout about my disapproval of these 'sports' I don't see why I can't have a respectful discussion with a Spaniard on their barbaric sport and give my opinions. With my mates who fish I usually trot out a quote (don't know where it came from) "Fishing is a battle of wits between the fish and the fisherman and we all know how intelligent fish are"
However, in this debate you've gone loopy. 1. Fox hunting never got funding from the EU budget 2. Fox hunting was rightly banned in this country
So your comparison is irrelevant
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 26, 2021 12:56:53 GMT
I am against fox hunting and I am glad that it is banned, although it needs to be monitored, because some are ignoring it. but this thread is about bull fighting. As I say you can start one about Fox-hunting, I imagine that One already exists. Yes, I know, I'm just interested in the fact that you chose to focus on bull-fighting, a largely Spanish activity, and laid some of the blame for it's ongoing existence at the door of the EU, rather than concentrate on the equally barbaric practice of fox hunting in this country. Since you also mentioned fox hunting in a previous reply, I thought I'd ask why one provoked your curiosity to the point of starting a thread and the other didn't? I think that you are trying too hard to read too much into it again, as though it is a personal battle. to simplify it for you, I think Fox hunting is wrong, I think Bull fighting is wrong, irrespective of the EU. Fox hunting has been banned. Bull fighting has not been banned. If the EU funds it , that is wrong. I think this is wrong ( I don't think I've posted a thread on it). The Yulin “Lychee and Dog Meat” festival is an annual 10 day event where over 10,000 dogs are eaten. Cat meat, fresh lychees and liquor are also available at the festival. The event in this remote part of southern China has proved to be very controversial in recent years, particularly in the wake of the coronavirus pandemic. .. www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/yulin-dog-meat-festival-explainer-what-it-when-start-banned-controversy-a8410426.htmlAll irrespective of culture.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Feb 26, 2021 13:59:23 GMT
"You started a thread about one topic, why haven't you started one about every other linked topic?"
Bit of a weird idea, mate.
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Post by RedandWhite90 on Feb 26, 2021 16:16:53 GMT
Art really, it's not even sport needs banning should have been binned at the same time as bear baiting and dog fighting. I find it interesting that you seem to show more compassion towards animals than you do to humans. Sentimentality, the last bastion of the scoundrel... In fairness I have more compassion towards animals than I do humans and I'm as far removed from Crapslinger as they come. In terms of bull fighting it is abhorrent, mindless murder that is completely unnecessary and massively outdated. The only aspect of bullfighting that I find remotely entertaining is when it goes 'wrong' and some dick with a cape gets skewered.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 26, 2021 16:53:13 GMT
Yes, I know, I'm just interested in the fact that you chose to focus on bull-fighting, a largely Spanish activity, and laid some of the blame for it's ongoing existence at the door of the EU, rather than concentrate on the equally barbaric practice of fox hunting in this country. Since you also mentioned fox hunting in a previous reply, I thought I'd ask why one provoked your curiosity to the point of starting a thread and the other didn't? Why are you obsessed with going after the man? If BRJ started a thread saying he really liked his new Audi, your response would be asking why he hadn't started a thread about BMW's. For the record I'm against all animal cruelty so have to be opposed to bullfighting, angling and of course fox hunting. I don't campaign against any as in general I'm not a campaigner type of person and I only usually speak up on things I know a fair bit about. I did voice my opinions on fox hunting as I once had a vixen with nine cubs in my garden so picked up a book from the library (it was a long time ago) on foxes and wrote to the author Dr Pat Doncaster at Cambridge University. I could then argue from a position of authority on the fox hunting debate with facts such as a fox's diet is 98% earthworms. Although I don't shout about my disapproval of these 'sports' I don't see why I can't have a respectful discussion with a Spaniard on their barbaric sport and give my opinions. With my mates who fish I usually trot out a quote (don't know where it came from) "Fishing is a battle of wits between the fish and the fisherman and we all know how intelligent fish are"
However, in this debate you've gone loopy. 1. Fox hunting never got funding from the EU budget 2. Fox hunting was rightly banned in this country
So your comparison is irrelevant
Kilo.....I must take exception, I've got a Volvo...amazing about the foxes, I can understand the annoyance of farmers/ chicken keepers....but I think they are magnificent animals. ( ps, I do tend to get under RWB's skin a bit....which I find reassuring)
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Post by Kilo on Feb 26, 2021 17:19:03 GMT
Why are you obsessed with going after the man? If BRJ started a thread saying he really liked his new Audi, your response would be asking why he hadn't started a thread about BMW's. For the record I'm against all animal cruelty so have to be opposed to bullfighting, angling and of course fox hunting. I don't campaign against any as in general I'm not a campaigner type of person and I only usually speak up on things I know a fair bit about. I did voice my opinions on fox hunting as I once had a vixen with nine cubs in my garden so picked up a book from the library (it was a long time ago) on foxes and wrote to the author Dr Pat Doncaster at Cambridge University. I could then argue from a position of authority on the fox hunting debate with facts such as a fox's diet is 98% earthworms. Although I don't shout about my disapproval of these 'sports' I don't see why I can't have a respectful discussion with a Spaniard on their barbaric sport and give my opinions. With my mates who fish I usually trot out a quote (don't know where it came from) "Fishing is a battle of wits between the fish and the fisherman and we all know how intelligent fish are" However, in this debate you've gone loopy. 1. Fox hunting never got funding from the EU budget 2. Fox hunting was rightly banned in this country So your comparison is irrelevant
Kilo.....I must take exception, I've got a Volvo...amazing about the foxes, I can understand the annoyance of farmers/ chicken keepers....but I think they are magnificent animals. ( ps, I do tend to get under RWB's skin a bit....which I find reassuring) At least guessing about the car proves I'm not stalking you
The other 2% of a fox's diet is mostly voles & mice. The pro foxhunting brigade convinced many people that any dead chicken, cat, dog or even baby was most likely taken by a fox. Domestic cats are far bigger killers than foxes. It doesn't take a lot to get RWB to argue though does it?
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 26, 2021 17:21:48 GMT
Why are you obsessed with going after the man? If BRJ started a thread saying he really liked his new Audi, your response would be asking why he hadn't started a thread about BMW's. For the record I'm against all animal cruelty so have to be opposed to bullfighting, angling and of course fox hunting. I don't campaign against any as in general I'm not a campaigner type of person and I only usually speak up on things I know a fair bit about. I did voice my opinions on fox hunting as I once had a vixen with nine cubs in my garden so picked up a book from the library (it was a long time ago) on foxes and wrote to the author Dr Pat Doncaster at Cambridge University. I could then argue from a position of authority on the fox hunting debate with facts such as a fox's diet is 98% earthworms. Although I don't shout about my disapproval of these 'sports' I don't see why I can't have a respectful discussion with a Spaniard on their barbaric sport and give my opinions. With my mates who fish I usually trot out a quote (don't know where it came from) "Fishing is a battle of wits between the fish and the fisherman and we all know how intelligent fish are"
However, in this debate you've gone loopy. 1. Fox hunting never got funding from the EU budget 2. Fox hunting was rightly banned in this country
So your comparison is irrelevant
Kilo.....I must take exception, I've got a Volvo...amazing about the foxes, I can understand the annoyance of farmers/ chicken keepers....but I think they are magnificent animals. ( ps, I do tend to get under RWB's skin a bit....which I find reassuring) I think you're judging me by your own standards there, John Not really sure bull-fighting "got funded by the EU" either... www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36270209 if anything it's "a matter for Spanish national law" apparently (despite them not being able to make their own laws anymore... ) in much the same way that banning fox-hunting was a matter for our UK parliament...and if you wanted to take the same tack you could argue that CAP money that went to pro-hunting farmers may have also "funded fox-hunting". But nobody did. Which was kind of the point!
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 26, 2021 17:39:40 GMT
Kilo.....I must take exception, I've got a Volvo...amazing about the foxes, I can understand the annoyance of farmers/ chicken keepers....but I think they are magnificent animals. ( ps, I do tend to get under RWB's skin a bit....which I find reassuring) I think you're judging me by your own standards there, John Not really sure bull-fighting "got funded by the EU" either... www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36270209 if anything it's "a matter for Spanish national law" apparently (despite them not being able to make their own laws anymore... ) in much the same way that banning fox-hunting was a matter for our UK parliament...and if you wanted to take the same tack you could argue that CAP money that went to pro-hunting farmers may have also "funded fox-hunting". But nobody did. Which was kind of the point! If you'd actually read the posts instead of always trying and failing to go for the man you might get somewhere. I said that bullfighting might arguably be funding, indirectly, through CAP...bit the point of the thread is that bullfighting is barbaric and should be banned....so eventhough you have not said it using your ( lack or) logic, presumablyyou support bullfighting..you are too obsessed with the personal...I'll leave you to your world until next time
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 26, 2021 17:47:17 GMT
I think you're judging me by your own standards there, John Not really sure bull-fighting "got funded by the EU" either... www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36270209 if anything it's "a matter for Spanish national law" apparently (despite them not being able to make their own laws anymore... ) in much the same way that banning fox-hunting was a matter for our UK parliament...and if you wanted to take the same tack you could argue that CAP money that went to pro-hunting farmers may have also "funded fox-hunting". But nobody did. Which was kind of the point! If you'd actually read the posts instead of always trying and failing to go for the man you might get somewhere. I said that bullfighting might arguably be funding, indirectly, through CAP...bit the point of the thread is that bullfighting is barbaric and should be banned....so eventhough you have not said it using your ( lack or) logic, presumablyyou support bullfighting..you are too obsessed with the personal...I'll leave you to your world until next time I think you're being a bit precious again, John! People are allowed to disagree with each other on here, provided it's done in a civil and non-abusive way. Not really sure why you're feeling like you've been gone for, other than that I challenged your 'logic' around blaming the EU for funding bull-fighting but not fox-hunting, as an example of your usual double standards when it comes to EU/UK stuff. But perhaps I misread it - did you not say you believed the EU did fund bull-fighting? "It is disputed whether EU money subsidises bullfighting, It is my belief that it does so, indirectly through CAP." Maybe you meant something else which I missed? I completely agree that all these types of practices are barbaric and should be banned.
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Post by thehartshillbadger on Feb 26, 2021 17:52:38 GMT
If you'd actually read the posts instead of always trying and failing to go for the man you might get somewhere. I said that bullfighting might arguably be funding, indirectly, through CAP...bit the point of the thread is that bullfighting is barbaric and should be banned....so eventhough you have not said it using your ( lack or) logic, presumablyyou support bullfighting..you are too obsessed with the personal...I'll leave you to your world until next time I think you're being a bit precious again, John! People are allowed to disagree with each other on here, provided it's done in a civil and non-abusive way. Not really sure why you're feeling like you've been gone for, other than that I challenged your 'logic' around blaming the EU for funding bull-fighting but not fox-hunting, as an example of your usual double standards when it comes to EU/UK stuff. But perhaps I misread it - did you not say you believed the EU did fund bull-fighting? "It is disputed whether EU money subsidises bullfighting, It is my belief that it does so, indirectly through CAP." I completely agree that all these types of practices are barbaric and should be banned. More sanctimonious rabble rousing
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Post by Rednwhitenblue on Feb 26, 2021 17:55:51 GMT
I think you're being a bit precious again, John! People are allowed to disagree with each other on here, provided it's done in a civil and non-abusive way. Not really sure why you're feeling like you've been gone for, other than that I challenged your 'logic' around blaming the EU for funding bull-fighting but not fox-hunting, as an example of your usual double standards when it comes to EU/UK stuff. But perhaps I misread it - did you not say you believed the EU did fund bull-fighting? "It is disputed whether EU money subsidises bullfighting, It is my belief that it does so, indirectly through CAP." I completely agree that all these types of practices are barbaric and should be banned. More sanctimonious rabble rousing I can never understand why people get so wound up by this place
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Feb 26, 2021 18:17:36 GMT
If you'd actually read the posts instead of always trying and failing to go for the man you might get somewhere. I said that bullfighting might arguably be funding, indirectly, through CAP...bit the point of the thread is that bullfighting is barbaric and should be banned....so eventhough you have not said it using your ( lack or) logic, presumablyyou support bullfighting..you are too obsessed with the personal...I'll leave you to your world until next time I think you're being a bit precious again, John! People are allowed to disagree with each other on here, provided it's done in a civil and non-abusive way. Not really sure why you're feeling like you've been gone for, other than that I challenged your 'logic' around blaming the EU for funding bull-fighting but not fox-hunting, as an example of your usual double standards when it comes to EU/UK stuff. But perhaps I misread it - did you not say you believed the EU did fund bull-fighting? "It is disputed whether EU money subsidises bullfighting, It is my belief that it does so, indirectly through CAP." Maybe you meant something else which I missed? I completely agree that all these types of practices are barbaric and should be banned. You got there in the end. It's a shame about the personal stuff, I know you can't help it....everyone does need a way of feeling better about themselves.
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