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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 1, 2018 6:21:41 GMT
Should Spain ( and parts of France) end bullfighting?
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Post by bathstoke on Aug 1, 2018 6:25:40 GMT
Bullfighting is art. Whether you like it or not is another matter 💃
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 1, 2018 6:37:07 GMT
Bullfighting is art. Whether you like it or not is another matter 💃 Art really, it's not even sport needs banning should have been binned at the same time as bear baiting and dog fighting.
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Post by bathstoke on Aug 1, 2018 6:45:48 GMT
Bullfighting is art. Whether you like it or not is another matter 💃 Art really, it's not even sport needs banning should have been binned at the same time as bear baiting and dog fighting. I find it interesting that you seem to show more compassion towards animals than you do to humans. Sentimentality, the last bastion of the scoundrel...
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Post by felonious on Aug 1, 2018 7:42:26 GMT
Art really, it's not even sport needs banning should have been binned at the same time as bear baiting and dog fighting. I find it interesting that you seem to show more compassion towards animals than you do to humans. Sentimentality, the last bastion of the scoundrel... Have some companion for your compassion on the Oatcake
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Post by felonious on Aug 1, 2018 7:44:15 GMT
It's an evil spectacle which has no place in this century in a civilised country.
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Post by Mendicant on Aug 1, 2018 7:54:59 GMT
I find it interesting that you seem to show more compassion towards animals than you do to humans. Sentimentality, the last bastion of the scoundrel... Have some companion for your compassion on the Oatcake The word companion means "bread with", so in ancient times someone you would share bread with. Small ones, large ones, some as big as your cave etc doesn't really matter. On here, here's a comoatcake in compassion.
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Post by flea79 on Aug 1, 2018 7:57:07 GMT
I disagree with it completely but see it as a part of the culture of spain like Morris Dancing and dragon slaying is to us
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Post by elystokie on Aug 1, 2018 8:03:39 GMT
I disagree with it completely but see it as a part of the culture of spain like Morris Dancing and dragon slaying is to us It's arguable which is more boring out of bullfighting and Morris Dancing, I wouldn't go to the bottom of the garden to watch either. My lad finds the concept of Morris Dancing hilarious, hard to disagree with him really.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2018 8:06:13 GMT
It should be banned, and anybody found guilty of such a disgusting act of cruelty and torture to an animal should be shot dead on sight.
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 1, 2018 8:40:10 GMT
I have no problem with bull fighting if the bull has a sporting chance I.E no hobbling of the bull one bull one man if the bull wins the finest grass for the rest of his life
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Post by flea79 on Aug 1, 2018 8:43:07 GMT
I disagree with it completely but see it as a part of the culture of spain like Morris Dancing and dragon slaying is to us It's arguable which is more boring out of bullfighting and Morris Dancing, I wouldn't go to the bottom of the garden to watch either. My lad finds the concept of Morris Dancing hilarious, hard to disagree with him really. we need a lads day out to a morris dancing competition, how they get away with it is beyond me, some still black up
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Aug 1, 2018 8:52:59 GMT
The culture/tradition argument for bull fighting is complete bullshit. That viewpoint is what allows all manner of barbaric practices to continue around the world, such as FGM, slavery and witch hunts (yes they still happen).
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Post by elystokie on Aug 1, 2018 8:59:01 GMT
It's arguable which is more boring out of bullfighting and Morris Dancing, I wouldn't go to the bottom of the garden to watch either. My lad finds the concept of Morris Dancing hilarious, hard to disagree with him really. we need a lads day out to a morris dancing competition, how they get away with it is beyond me, some still black up Sounds like a plan Saw some blacked up at the Etruria canal festival this year, I was a bit taken aback tbf.
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Post by rogerjonesisgod on Aug 1, 2018 9:04:01 GMT
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Post by yeokel on Aug 1, 2018 9:23:43 GMT
The first link, the BBC one, is really interesting for the tone and language that it uses. It is obviously pre-referendum and pre the BBC wetting its knickers about us leaving the EU. One quote, referring to Boris, is “ Uxbridge MP Boris Johnson popped up on BBC Breakfast last week to say that more money could be spent on science and the NHS, instead of Greek tobacco or bullfighting, if the UK left the EU” – well well – “on science and on the NHS”. Not all for the NHS as the Remoaners would have us believe then? Another quote – “ In October 2015, MEPs voted for an amendment to the EU budget, which called for agricultural payments not to be made to land being used for the rearing of bulls for bullfighting” Followed by…. “ so it sounds like although MEPs tried to prevent money being spent on bullfighting, nothing will change unless the CAP is changed first.” – Ah ha, so much for the power of MEPs then - Things will just carry on as normal as far as the EU is concerned and bollocks to what the elected MEPs think! The whole article is refreshingly cynical about the EU and its Common Agricultural Policy and reads very differently than if the BBC was to write it now, in my opinion.
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Post by Pedropotter on Aug 1, 2018 9:32:17 GMT
Bullfighters are cunts, as are bullfighting supporters.
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Post by cheeesfreeex on Aug 1, 2018 9:33:25 GMT
I think it should be employed in all slaughterhouses.
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Post by RichieBarkerOut! on Aug 1, 2018 9:51:07 GMT
Bullfighters are cunts, as are bullfighting supporters. I really hate sweeping statements, but this one meets with my approval.
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Post by bigjohnritchie on Aug 1, 2018 11:06:22 GMT
The first link, the BBC one, is really interesting for the tone and language that it uses. It is obviously pre-referendum and pre the BBC wetting its knickers about us leaving the EU. One quote, referring to Boris, is “ Uxbridge MP Boris Johnson popped up on BBC Breakfast last week to say that more money could be spent on science and the NHS, instead of Greek tobacco or bullfighting, if the UK left the EU” – well well – “on science and on the NHS”. Not all for the NHS as the Remoaners would have us believe then? Another quote – “ In October 2015, MEPs voted for an amendment to the EU budget, which called for agricultural payments not to be made to land being used for the rearing of bulls for bullfighting” Followed by…. “ so it sounds like although MEPs tried to prevent money being spent on bullfighting, nothing will change unless the CAP is changed first.” – Ah ha, so much for the power of MEPs then - Things will just carry on as normal as far as the EU is concerned and bollocks to what the elected MEPs think! The whole article is refreshingly cynical about the EU and its Common Agricultural Policy and reads very differently than if the BBC was to write it now, in my opinion. You are right Yeokel, the CAP is sacrosanct
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2018 11:26:27 GMT
I think the Spanish people are capable of deciding what they want without us forcing our views on them.
If you don't like it, don't watch it, simples.
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Post by crapslinger on Aug 1, 2018 11:39:00 GMT
Art really, it's not even sport needs banning should have been binned at the same time as bear baiting and dog fighting. I find it interesting that you seem to show more compassion towards animals than you do to humans. Sentimentality, the last bastion of the scoundrel... Not all humans of course
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Post by richie22 on Aug 1, 2018 13:48:32 GMT
Not sure why I was naive on this subject , we never get shown the gruesome bits I suppose. Bullfighting is wrong on every level, it ain’t sport it ain’t art. The top video shows it for the barbaric act that it is
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Post by bathstoke on Aug 1, 2018 15:56:24 GMT
I have no problem with bull fighting if the bull has a sporting chance I.E no hobbling of the bull one bull one man if the bull wins the finest grass for the rest of his life Before I start, I am not an apologist for bullfighting. In España, bullfighting is reported on in the arts section of papers, not the sports. In bullfighting the ONLY time that the banderilleros, picadors or the matadors are allowed to stick the bull is when the bull attacks them. Even if the bull kills the matador it has to be killed, because by the time it's got to that stage the bull is too damaged. A matador wouldn't stand a chance of killing the bull in "The moment of truth" if the bull hadn't been slowed down. Not all of Spain support bullfighting, it's now banned in Catalonia & Barcelonas great bullring is now a shopping centre. I am quite fascinated by bullfighting & what it represents, the battle between man & the beast without/within. I have been to a bullfight & it is a shock to the senses. I went to the 'Cathedral' of bullfighting in Sevilla on my honeymoon & talked my bride into coming after talking up its artistry. She's a vegetarian & was less than happy with it all(not one of my greatest moments) It's the closest I'd ever want to get to a gladiatorial arena. Everyone is dolled up to the 9's, there's vendors selling ice cold drinks in the absolute baking heat. All the blokes are smoking Cubans & you can smell the testosterone of the bulls. When the bull gets the matador(as happened when I went) the crowd cheer the bull more than the man! What I wasn't prepared for is how many bulls they kill in one sitting. They kill 6! I Watched 2 & left 😔
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Post by shimmer on Aug 1, 2018 15:59:27 GMT
I think a cow probably gets it worse than a bull, yet nobodys saying stop eating cows, save the cow.
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 1, 2018 16:06:26 GMT
I think a cow probably gets it worse than a bull, yet nobodys saying stop eating cows, save the cow. Bloody vegans there getting eveywhere
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Post by shimmer on Aug 1, 2018 16:13:02 GMT
I think a cow probably gets it worse than a bull, yet nobodys saying stop eating cows, save the cow. Bloody vegans there getting eveywhere I only eat meat at every given opportunity
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Post by mattador78 on Aug 1, 2018 17:48:07 GMT
I’m not supporting bullfighting however I have attended one many years ago when I was a child taken by my dad. As a spectacle it was phenomenal and probably akin to watching gladiatorial combat in Roman times. Personally now I think it’s about as entertaining as reality tv and just doesn’t need to be around as there are better ways of entertaining yourself. On a side note I would rather watch a bullfight than love island as I think bollocks like that is more damaging to society than people realise
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2018 19:20:04 GMT
It is a disgraceful sport, however if the bull was to be given a life time life of leisure & freedom after a Win, then i could live with that, as long as the human dies.
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Post by Hiram on Aug 1, 2018 20:03:09 GMT
I have no problem with bull fighting if the bull has a sporting chance *** The bull has no sporting or any other chance, the outcome is known at the beginning I.E no hobbling of the bull one bull one man if the bull wins the finest grass for the rest of his life Before I start, I am not an apologist for bullfighting. *** Apologists for bullfighting always say the bull has lived the best of lives before getting in the ring. They are bred in a very luxurious way. In España, bullfighting is reported on in the arts section of papers, not the sports. *** Shows how fucked up Spanish culture is if ritual torture of a beast for human enjoyment is considered art In bullfighting the ONLY time that the banderilleros, picadors or the matadors are allowed to stick the bull is when the bull attacks them. *** They coax the bull to attack them so they can stick the banderillos and pico un the bull. This happens in every bull 'fight' Even if the bull kills the matador it has to be killed, because by the time it's got to that stage the bull is too damaged. A matador wouldn't stand a chance of killing the bull in "The moment of truth" if the bull hadn't been slowed down. Not all of Spain support bullfighting, it's now banned in Catalonia & Barcelonas great bullring is now a shopping centre. I am quite fascinated by bullfighting & what it represents, the battle between man & the beast without/within. I have been to a bullfight & it is a shock to the senses. I went to the 'Cathedral' of bullfighting in Sevilla on my honeymoon & talked my bride into coming after talking up its artistry. She's a vegetarian & was less than happy with it all(not one of my greatest moments) ***It's grotesque and highlights many of humanity's worst traits. It's the closest I'd ever want to get to a gladiatorial arena. Everyone is dolled up to the 9's, there's vendors selling ice cold drinks in the absolute baking heat. All the blokes are smoking Cubans & you can smell the testosterone of the bulls. ***Wankers, to a man..(and woman) When the bull gets the matador(as happened when I went) the crowd cheer the bull more than the man! ***Simply not true. What I wasn't prepared for is how many bulls they kill in one sitting. They kill 6! ***Every week at every bullring in Spain during the 'season' I Watched 2 & left 😔
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