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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 22, 2018 23:08:50 GMT
Yeah OK. But did he jump before he was pushed?
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Post by Gifton on Jul 22, 2018 23:19:15 GMT
He probably should have just played for Turkey. It's clearly where his heart is.
I feel a bit of sympathy for him but then he did choose to represent Germany so I guess he made his own bed.
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Post by whereami on Jul 22, 2018 23:41:17 GMT
He's like a more boring Brazilian - at least they went off the boil by drnking and whoring and having a good time pissing their careers away. Ozil seems to be greying himself out of caring about anything.. which comes to think about it does fit with someone with a lot going on mentally.. either way there may be more to it then meets the eye
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 22, 2018 23:44:08 GMT
He's like a more boring Brazilian - at least they went off the boil by drnking and whoring and having a good time pissing their careers away. Ozil seems to be greying himself out of caring about anything.. which comes to think about it does fit with someone with a lot going on mentally.. either way there may be more to it then meets the eye Cosying up to a near dictator is pretty hardcore isn't it?
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 22, 2018 23:46:25 GMT
He probably should have just played for Turkey. It's clearly where his heart is. I feel a bit of sympathy for him but then he did choose to represent Germany so I guess he made his own bed. But he wouldn't have won a world cup with Turkey.
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Post by boskampsflaps on Jul 23, 2018 0:11:46 GMT
He's like a more boring Brazilian - at least they went off the boil by drnking and whoring and having a good time pissing their careers away. Ozil seems to be greying himself out of caring about anything.. which comes to think about it does fit with someone with a lot going on mentally.. either way there may be more to it then meets the eye Cosying up to a near dictator is pretty hardcore isn't it? When you say cosying up you meen meeting him once and having a photo.
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Post by whereami on Jul 23, 2018 0:24:58 GMT
He's like a more boring Brazilian - at least they went off the boil by drnking and whoring and having a good time pissing their careers away. Ozil seems to be greying himself out of caring about anything.. which comes to think about it does fit with someone with a lot going on mentally.. either way there may be more to it then meets the eye Cosying up to a near dictator is pretty hardcore isn't it? Maybe not having anything in you to say "no" is the main thing. I honestly just wanted to laugh at him for being a shit version of a Brazilian going off the boil when I started typing that but I dunno, it stopped being funny as I was typing it
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Post by Gifton on Jul 23, 2018 0:28:24 GMT
He probably should have just played for Turkey. It's clearly where his heart is. I feel a bit of sympathy for him but then he did choose to represent Germany so I guess he made his own bed. But he wouldn't have won a world cup with Turkey. True
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 23, 2018 0:47:58 GMT
Cosying up to a near dictator is pretty hardcore isn't it? When you say cosying up you meen meeting him once and having a photo. At least twice and then defending it and not distancing himself from it.
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Post by Northy on Jul 23, 2018 6:00:03 GMT
Thought he did that before the world cup
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Post by takeshikovacs on Jul 23, 2018 6:02:35 GMT
But he wouldn't have won a world cup with Turkey. True Probably a better chance than if he'd qualified to play for England.
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jul 23, 2018 15:08:07 GMT
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Post by nott1 on Jul 23, 2018 15:09:29 GMT
I like it when the Germans start sniping at each other!
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Post by Squeekster on Jul 23, 2018 15:12:41 GMT
Hypocrocy from Ozil wasn't he seen with another Turkish immigrant holding up a Turkish flag?
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Post by bathstoke on Jul 23, 2018 15:14:26 GMT
Wasn't he kicking off on his way off the pitch when Germany were knocked out the World Cup. Remember thinking at the time that he doesn't necessarily have the stature for giving it the big'un...
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Post by estrangedsonoffaye on Jul 23, 2018 15:16:05 GMT
I presume Uli Hoeness was watching Ozil play 2014 onwards from the TV in his prison cell?
Twat.
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Post by neilb987 on Jul 23, 2018 15:20:32 GMT
Think he’s got a point. Remember Andy Murray is British (or even ‘English’!) When he’s winning, but Scottish when he loses. At least according to the British media ...!
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Post by greyman on Jul 23, 2018 15:27:46 GMT
I think there is a general point here and in that regard I can see why he's making it. However, he has also been photographed gladhanding Erdogan, a de facto dictator who has interfered in German elections, imprisoned German journalists and made statements every bit as toxic and divisive as those of Putin or Trump.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2018 16:12:10 GMT
I find the word retirement rather odd to use in this case. Isnt it just that he's decided to pack it in cos hes hacked off ?
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Post by smatty88 on Jul 23, 2018 16:15:47 GMT
This is going to open up a big can of worms, it wouldn't surprise me if others follow suit in support.
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Post by santy on Jul 23, 2018 16:58:46 GMT
I think there is a general point here and in that regard I can see why he's making it. However, he has also been photographed gladhanding Erdogan, a de facto dictator who has interfered in German elections, imprisoned German journalists and made statements every bit as toxic and divisive as those of Putin or Trump. Yet he went to Germany last year and has an invitation again to go sometime soon I believe. Erdogan had met the queen and Theresa May shortly before meeting Ozil. He had been let into the UK freely, not a problem, no issues it seems. In fact, don't we still send big wads of cash down to Erdogan in Turkey to stop some of the Syrians finding their way into the EU? Seriously though the most bizarre thing in all of this are people are criticising Ozil for not backtracking after meeting him and failing to tackle Erdogan on any issues. Why would they ever expect that in the first place?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 23, 2018 17:03:28 GMT
I think there is a general point here and in that regard I can see why he's making it. However, he has also been photographed gladhanding Erdogan, a de facto dictator who has interfered in German elections, imprisoned German journalists and made statements every bit as toxic and divisive as those of Putin or Trump. Yet he went to Germany last year and has an invitation again to go sometime soon I believe. Erdogan had met the queen and Theresa May shortly before meeting Ozil. He had been let into the UK freely, not a problem, no issues it seems. In fact, don't we still send big wads of cash down to Erdogan in Turkey to stop some of the Syrians finding their way into the EU? Seriously though the most bizarre thing in all of this are people are criticising Ozil for not backtracking after meeting him and failing to tackle Erdogan on any issues. Why would they ever expect that in the first place? Because you shouldn't want to be seen fraternising with such a twat?
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Post by greyman on Jul 23, 2018 17:44:12 GMT
I think there is a general point here and in that regard I can see why he's making it. However, he has also been photographed gladhanding Erdogan, a de facto dictator who has interfered in German elections, imprisoned German journalists and made statements every bit as toxic and divisive as those of Putin or Trump. Yet he went to Germany last year and has an invitation again to go sometime soon I believe. Erdogan had met the queen and Theresa May shortly before meeting Ozil. He had been let into the UK freely, not a problem, no issues it seems. In fact, don't we still send big wads of cash down to Erdogan in Turkey to stop some of the Syrians finding their way into the EU? Seriously though the most bizarre thing in all of this are people are criticising Ozil for not backtracking after meeting him and failing to tackle Erdogan on any issues. Why would they ever expect that in the first place? Like I say, I think he's got a point on the general issue, but if you're going to have your picture taken with a murderous anti-democratic demagogue who has been criticised by your home country for interfering in their elections, you're going to get some flak. Let's dismiss the attitude of world leaders to Erdogan as examples of Realpolitik. The same way they'll shake hands with Trump, Putin and King Abdullah. Ozil doesn't have to play that game.
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Post by santy on Jul 23, 2018 17:54:51 GMT
Mostly disappointed my remarks about backtracking and tackling didn't get picked up, or were just outright ignored. Which would be hurtful.
Still seems utterly bizarre to me that in a world of people fawning over Putin for a month, and when the political leader of both Ozil's country and our own have met with Erdogan in recent times with little more than a token gesture Ozil is the problem. But if anything, at a charity event that's for a good cause and all the general shenanigans of life in which footballers are programmed up to the gills to meet and greet as politely as possible is it any surprise Ozil did what he would probably do with anyone.
I refuse to believe Mesut Ozil is held to a higher standard of conduct than Angela Merkel. There can be excuses made, but its laughably unfair.
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Post by greyman on Jul 23, 2018 17:56:27 GMT
Mostly disappointed my remarks about backtracking and tackling didn't get picked up, or were just outright ignored. Which would be hurtful. Still seems utterly bizarre to me that in a world of people fawning over Putin for a month, and when the political leader of both Ozil's country and our own have met with Erdogan in recent times with little more than a token gesture Ozil is the problem. But if anything, at a charity event that's for a good cause and all the general shenanigans of life in which footballers are programmed up to the gills to meet and greet as politely as possible is it any surprise Ozil did what he would probably do with anyone. I refuse to believe Mesut Ozil is held to a higher standard of conduct than Angela Merkel. There can be excuses made, but its laughably unfair. That's not what I said. But nice try.
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Post by thevoid on Jul 23, 2018 18:02:11 GMT
He doesn't seem that bothered the whole thing.
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Post by marwood on Jul 23, 2018 18:05:46 GMT
It’s a tricky political issue but he can probably see both sides
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Post by santy on Jul 23, 2018 18:35:24 GMT
Mostly disappointed my remarks about backtracking and tackling didn't get picked up, or were just outright ignored. Which would be hurtful. Still seems utterly bizarre to me that in a world of people fawning over Putin for a month, and when the political leader of both Ozil's country and our own have met with Erdogan in recent times with little more than a token gesture Ozil is the problem. But if anything, at a charity event that's for a good cause and all the general shenanigans of life in which footballers are programmed up to the gills to meet and greet as politely as possible is it any surprise Ozil did what he would probably do with anyone. I refuse to believe Mesut Ozil is held to a higher standard of conduct than Angela Merkel. There can be excuses made, but its laughably unfair. That's not what I said. But nice try. If I was directly addressing your remarks I'd have quoted your post Like I did the other time! This one was just more of a general thoughts.
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Jul 23, 2018 21:19:02 GMT
www.dfb.de/en/news/detail/dfb-statement-on-mesut-oezil-190112/?no_cache=1&cHash=cd34c43bbeefbd9d95b88ffb22ea8191DFB STATEMENT ON MESUT ÖZIL The presidential board of the German FA (DFB) addressed Mesut Özil’s announcement during a teleconference today. Özil won 92 caps for the Germany national team and helped define a very successful era, both on and indeed off the pitch. Mesut Özil played a key role in Germany lifting the World Cup in Brazil in 2014 and so the DFB is and always will be incredibly grateful for his outstanding performances in Germany colours. Diversity is a strength – not only in football – and that is why our integration efforts have a fundamental importance at every level. From the lower leagues all the way to the senior national teams, many footballers with migrant backgrounds are part of the DFB. We play and live together with our various roots, religions and cultures. What must connect us all within that, both on and off the pitch, is respecting the human rights firmly established in our constitution and standing up for the freedom of expression and freedom of the press, as well as respect, tolerance and fair play. A commitment to these core values is a prerequisite for every person who plays football for Germany. Therefore, the pictures with Turkish president Erdogan raised questions for many people in Germany. We self-critically acknowledge that the DFB played a part in that when dealing with this issue. We also regret that Mesut Özil – unlike Jerome Boateng – feels as if he wasn’t given enough protection when made the target of racist slogans. However, it was important for Mesut Özil, like Ilkay Gündogan before him, to provide answers for this photo, regardless of the way the World Cup in Russia went. At the DFB, we win and lose together, all of us, as a team. The DFB would have been happy for Mesut Özil to continue being part of this team on that common basis, but he has chosen otherwise. The DFB respects that, and for us as an association that wishes to be respectful to a commendable Germany international, we wish to make no public comment in regard to some statements that for us are incomprehensible in their tone and message. For the DFB to have been associated with racism is something we emphatically reject, with regard to our ambassadors, staff members, our clubs and the work of millions of volunteers at grassroots level. The DFB has been very active with its integration efforts in Germany for many years, including the introduction of the Integration Award, creating the “1:0 für ein Willkommen” (“1-0 to open arms”) campaign and integrating tens of thousands of refugees into its footballing family. Over the past 15 years, the DFB has established its integration efforts on many levels, right through to the amateur leagues. We stand for diversity – from the representatives at the very top to the countless people working at grassroots level each and every day. The DFB regrets Mesut Özil’s decision to step down from the national team. But it does not affect the association’s determination to continue its successful work on integration.
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Post by george2again on Jul 23, 2018 22:16:50 GMT
Pilchard eyes is a Turk, end off. He has become a boring footballer I have to say.
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